Baron's Tournament.

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From: maxim128@aol.com (Maxim128)
Date: 18 Jul 1999 13:23:09 EDT

::having dug through many many old posts, finally comes across the one he is looking for::

To all it concerns,

I did feel no need to press into the past matter of Goldie's challenge which was deemed valid by a second pair or peer wins. However, Jona asked for the information and I gave it to her. Also, though, here is a post that I found:

"About six months...

About three times the length of time as the previous holder of this station.
About a third the length of time as the holder previous to her.
Beyond that, I have no sure way of determining.... though I believe Lady Starfare might know.
Others have seen Goldie's Peer Wins... she'd been a Warlord for quite some time when she'd made that challenge, after all. I'll go digging through the old mail if you want, but if you are implying that I validated a challenge that I knew for a fact was improper... I will take offense to that, and rightfully so....."

This was written by Drake. I have made the part I had read stand out. In this statement, Drake volunteered to show this second set of peer wins, and in this next post, I asked for them:

"...Also...even if my brother does not, I would like to see this mail. Before the challenge he did tell me that 3 of the 12 peer wins sent were invalid. If I recall, he even told you about it, and he only received a reply stating you had another set of peer wins. So, I would like to see this mail."

Unfortunately, I was never sent this other set, and now she claims that she did not keep the mail, although she had offered to show them. When she did not show after volunteering, I did feel a bit cheated because such information was not sent to me, and I thought it should have been. I still wish to see these peers, although it can probably change little.






~Magnus~

Baron of the 13th

Guardian of Polaris

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From: eagleecore@aol.com (EagleEcore)
Date: 18 Jul 1999 13:48:31 EDT

So...

Can I turn in a second set of peer wins too and challenge this cycle again based on prescedent on how officials have handled things?

Jonalyn is correct on when the Overgnome retired. However, I believe the challenges were issued before the retirement, and the duels completed before the tourney began.

Drake,

I would stick to your not allowing new challenges to Barons be issued, however, allow all current challenges to proceed, as in allow the issue of Warlord Glowacki's challenge be wrapped up. There is nothing wrong with what some see as "protecting" the barons before the tourney. The Overlord is "protected" as well for 24 days before a Warlord Tourney. The reasoning could be considered that same in both cases as was to establish the grace period
before tourneys.

Unagi issued his challenged I believe a day or two before the grace period would begin for the Warlord's Tourney time before last. Glowacki issued his challenge before Aggrenish retired the "crown".

In short, no new challenges, wrap up the current, and do the tourney. From my reccollection that was what happened before.


~Ecore~

~Praetor of the Dragon Templar~

~Thrice Baron of Swords, 2nd Highest WoLs Warlord of Swords~

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From: rixfavre@aol.com (Rix Favre)
Date: 18 Jul 1999 18:26:54 EDT

>Glowacki issued his challenge before Aggrenish retired the "crown".

Actually, E, Steve's challenge to Zafiroo came after Agrenish's retirement. Just to clear that up.

-Rix

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 19 Jul 1999 02:59:25 EDT

Madame Silvertree

I will thank thee ta nae be putting yuir beliefs ast being mine own. Indeed, Madame, precedent isna law, howe'er, in light of the fact that tis only been one previous Overlord ta retire whilst there be a Baron title and Council, it may hae behooved thee and the 'senior' officials ta consider that unique situation and the precedent afore making hasty decisions. Or dinna that happen ta cross thine mind, ot that of the senior officials, lass?

Thee hae certain duties, Madame, among which ist ta certify th' challenges aire proper. How manna challenges hae thee failed to properly certify, Madame? Thine duties dinna included interfering with the Barons or with the Baron's Council, nor do they include keeping a challenged Baron from receiving the information with respect to a challenge made unta him or her. Thine duties dinna include removing warlords from the official lists if said
warlords hae dueled during the previous two cycles, something thee hae done.

Thou art doing ought by thine tirades, Madame, save ta make me consider more and more that thou art perhaps indeed unsuited to the duties of thine position. Wherefore dost thine position ast Standing's Keeper place it upon thee to send missives unto the Baron's following the announcement of the Warlord Agrenish's challenge unto the then Overlord Unagi Miyamoto with respect to their rights and privileges shouldst anna wish to intercede? Madame,
thou art nae the Overlord, nor art thou a Baroness. Hast placed thineself then in the unofficial postion ast tutor to the Barons with respect to their privileges and rights? Heaven forefend, Madame.

In the matter of thine being a competant official in calling the various duels, thou art indeed so. Howe'er, in the handling of thine duties ast Standing's Keeper, thee leave much to be desired, Madame.

Baron Avery Shiv Blade,

Long hast the precedent been that upon the winning of the title of Baron, all rights and privileges are bestowed with the exceptions being that said title holder isna bound by the Overlord rule, nor ist subject to challenge until the official lists become public. Ast to another precedent, tis been Warlord's Tourney what hae hae entrants whose names hae nae yet been made public in the standings ast holding that rank, yet they didst compete, and did
so forein they hae acquired said rank afore the opening rounds of the Warlord's Tourney. Precedent goes hand in hand with the law and with tradition. Ast the druid and former Baron, Walker Boh hast penned, the rules of engagement dinna preclude anna warlord presenting challenge unta anna standing Baron naewithstanding the coming Baron's Tourney. The only 'protection' granted unta anna titled rank be the grace perior prior to the Warlord's Tourney
and that protection ist to the one who holds the title of Overlord, nae unta anna other. Tis only the Overlord what canst remove remove himself from such protection by declaring a Baron ta be renegade. Nay anna other dost hold that privilege or right.

Jonalyn Starfare

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From: deluthan@aol.com (Deluthan)
Date: 19 Jul 1999 22:26:34 EDT

::offered anonymously::

When's this tourney happening? This place all of sudden got boring.

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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 19 Jul 1999 22:41:35 EDT

To the community.
The Baron's Tournament will take place upon Monday and Tuesday, the 26th and 27th. Starting at 10pm by the Eastern clock.


Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.

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From: karnafexx@aol.com (Karnafexx)
Date: 20 Jul 1999 00:11:13 EDT

Simi, Jeff, Gim and that other guy dropped out of the barons tourney...hell, a few more drop outs and we won't even need to have the darn thing.

BRK

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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 20 Jul 1999 01:03:03 EDT

I don't remember reading Gim dropping out. I guess I need to remember things better. Anyhow, Billy Ray, I'm "that other guy." From now on may I refer to you as "that one guy" to return the favor?
In jest,

Var Medici-Giovanni

Proud Father, Proud Husband

Phantom Scots Captain

Baron of the 10th

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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 20 Jul 1999 02:40:34 EDT

For the community.

The Barons of the Sixth, Seventh, Eighth and Tenth... Specifically Simini, Dragonsblade, Oakenshield and Medici-Giovanni { that other guy } have declined to enter the Baron's Tournament.
All other Barons have indicated they will attend.

A final announcement of the specifics of the Tournament will be posted before the end of the week.


Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.

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From: eagleecore@aol.com (EagleEcore)
Date: 20 Jul 1999 12:34:20 EDT

No one wants to rush to be Overlord anymore these days, how odd. Not that I can blame them.

~Ecore~

~Praetor of the Dragon Templar~

~Thrice Baron of Swords, 2nd Highest WoLs Warlord of Swords~

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 20 Jul 1999 18:50:23 EDT



And then there were Nine.

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From: karnafexx@aol.com (Karnafexx)
Date: 20 Jul 1999 20:14:57 EDT

Sorry Var, wasn't sure if it was you or Rix, and I didn't want to call you Rix, he mentioned something about them being fighting words.

In jest,

BRK

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From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 20 Jul 1999 21:19:37 EDT

Reads the words *Senior Staff* over and over again.....::
Ummm....just who is Senior Staff?? I be real curious.....

~Tay~

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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 19 Jul 1999 04:00:52 EDT

Lady Starfare.

Ask the Baron's Council yourself. I did in fact make inquiry as to how the existence of challenges to standing Barons should be handled. Specifically, I asked those whom I felt might have first hand knowledge.
Also, I inquired with others of similar experience and reported all my correspondence to the other senior officials before any final decision was made... surprisingly enough, very few persons were forthcoming with any opinions at all.
I admitted to my mistake in verifying the Warlord Elijah's peer wins, given the time of the letter and the fact that when I was reading said letter, I could only assume that the Standings had been posted at the time of the issuance of said challenge.
In point of fact, no one mentioned the possibility of the challenge being invalid until after it had already been dueled. I wonder if any fuss would have been raised had Warlord Elijah not won that duel.
Please inform me of exactly when I interfered with the Barons or the Baron's Council when it was not within my purview as the Standing's Keeper.
Please note that the only person who need ever see a challenger's peer win list is myself as the Standing's Keeper. Should such an instance ever happen, I would immediately turn said list over to the Supervisor for his confirmation of my receiving it, but according to the letter of the rules, a challenger need not provide his bonafieds to the person he challenges.
My duties do indeed include the removing of Warlords from the official lists if they are inactive for more than one cycle, at my discretion. Further, it is also at my discretion whether or not to remove a Warlord who retires from the Standings.
Quite simply I operate under the understanding that, if you wish to remain on the Standings, then you must duel at least once each cycle. I do this on the suggestion of both of the previous Standing's Keepers.
It is not within my duties as the Standing's Keeper to remind the Barons of their rights and privileges at any time, but it is within my rights as a member of the community, official of the sport or not, to do so. I never claimed this as one of my duties, though the Supervisor and some few members of the Council praised me for doing so.
I do not recall any Warlord's Tourney where entrants were not upon the Standings as holding that rank, except in cases where the Standings themselves were delayed or a person applied for reinstatement and received special dispensation from the Standing's Keeper to participate, despite their not being listed in the Standings at the time of the close of registration.
While it is entirely possible for a person to participate in the Warlord's Tourney, yet not be at the rank of Warlord at that time... one must be of the rank of Warlord and have their name in the Standings before they may register. The only exceptions are those I mentioned above.

I will not speak on the other accusations, as I have made a promise in regard to such matters.


Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 19 Jul 1999 04:35:53 EDT

Madame Silvertree,

Interesting thee wouldst inquire of the Baron's Council in the matter 'o 'ow th' existence 'o challenges to standing Baron's shouldst be 'andled. Isna th' procedure clearly writ?

Thou hast indeed deigned ta admit thine error in th' matter of the Warlord Ecore's challenge unta th' Baron Daelin. Thou hast yet ta admit ta th' error thou didst make in th' matter 'o th' challenge 'o th' warlord Goldie unta th' Baron Magnus Eques. Tis no one hae anna way 'o knowin' save th' th' bona fides be made public ast well ast th' time th' challenge hae been presented by missive.

Madame, tis only common courtesy ta present th' challenged Baron wi' both notification 'o th' challenge ast well ast th' bona fides wh' do make said challenge proper. Considerin' thine less th' adept 'andlin' 'o th' process, it mayhap wouldst prevent controversy ast well ast nae bring inta question yuir competance were th' challenged Baron ast well ast th' Standing's Keeper ta be apprised 'o th' particulars. Tis been long a tradition th' th' bona
fides were presented unta th' challenged Baron or th' Overlord, a tradition seemin' ta fall by th' wayside. I find it rather 'ard ta believe anna warlord wh' hae reached th' rank wouldst take umbrage at havin' 'is name ta appear among th' lists 'o bona fides. T'would be a shame, methinks, if those wh' hae risen ta th' rank 'o warlord wouldst be so thin skinned ast ta be embarrased were their names ta appear.

Thine duties dinna permit thee ta remove warlords from th' ranks attal, Madame. Tis do peruse th' rules 'o engagement. Tis nae anna 'ard an' fast rule wh' permits th' removal 'o a warlord from th' ranks save if said warlord dost officially retire. Thee hae nae discretion attal in th' matter 'o removin' a retired warlord from th' lists, Madame, none attal. Tis nae thine perogative nor thine duty ta decide th' issue. Tis nae at thine discretion,
Madame, ta hold th' a warlord mus' duel once per cycle. Th' rules 'o engagement aire verra clear th' those below th' rank 'o warlord willna be maintained 'pon th' list save th' they dance once per cycle. Th' warlords hae th' privilege 'o remainin' 'pon th' lists for a minimun 'o two cycles, an' Madame, if thee canst comprehend th' common tongue ast writ, thee shall nae find anna clause givin' thee th' right ta remove anna warlord from th' lists
save th' th' warlord dost officially retire. Upon sendin' such a missive 'o retirement, Madame, thee hae nae choice in th' matter, bu' ta remove said warlord from th' ranks.

When thee use thine official office ast Standin's Keeper ta send private instructions ta th' Barons, thou art nae actin' ast a member 'o th' community nor ast a private individual. Thou art acting in thine capacity ast an official 'o th' sport an' by doin' so, thou art oversteppin' thine duties.

Thone memory seems ta fail thee, Madame, fore in I do recall thee placing a missive 'pon th' cork with respect ta two entrants in th' twice previous Warlord's Tourney havin' obtained th' rank yet th' standin's hae nae been made public. Ast ta a delay in makin' th' lists public, Madame, there seems little rhyme ta when they do appear. Thou hast made exceptions Madame wi' warlords wh' aire newly come unta th' rank an' by thine own pen 'pon th' cork
didst gi' witness ta such.

Tis amusin' thou take mine comments ast accusations, Madame. Tis oft th' th' guilty do tend ta presume a comment be an accusation. Wast it th' warlord, Methous, wh' didst pen a note, "Power Corrupts'? Methinks, Madame, thee aire mayhap fallin' verra fast inta th' state.

Jonalyn Starfare