A call for Investigation: Official decision

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From: morganalefay@aol.com (Morgana le Fay)
Date: 10 Mar 2000 14:05:53 EST

<<Also, I'd like to see a copy of the records you claim. I want to see for myself whether or not Drake did acknowledge Damien. I have been going on what I'm told, I would prefer direct proof.>>

Jonalyn has already quoted from the transcripts in the original note that started this discussion, what more do you need? Ask her for the complete transcript. Or, better yet, ask Drake, since you trust her. She is required to keep transcripts, is she not?

<<Go back and read my posts again. At the time I declared the duel a tie, I had clearly indicated that I had heard Damien's wishes on the matter.>>

Unless Drake can prove that the following transcript is missing relevent discussion, the above statement is false. I editted for relevance, only keeping in the discussion directly pertaining to this incident. From the excerpt from the transcription below, you will note that Drake had already considered the match a tie and never intended on getting Damien's input. The conversation between the black bolded excerpt and the blue bolded excerpt
clearly shows she never acknowledged anything other than Damien's question regarding the time limit before invoking the magical "Caller's Prerogative". All bold and font/color emphases/de-emphases mine.

HOST DFC Drake: Two, One. Damien goes right in to start the duel... only to be stopped by
HOST DFC Drake: Silver's parry. ( TH-LP ) Too bad he didn't stay to see it.
Damien Mortis: ::grunts and lunges forward::
Damien Mortis: wha' the hell? ::as he missing nothing::
Damien Mortis: where the panzy go?
Damien Mortis: ::rams Plague into the ground, waiting:: where'd he go?
HOST DFC Drake: Bathroom, I believe.
Damien Mortis: why's his sorry ass runnin' ta the bathroom for?
Damien Mortis: I tell ya, I ge' no respec'
Damien Mortis: fools runnin' ta the bathroom when I'm tryin' ta run 'em through
Damien Mortis: I' ain' righ' I tell ya
Damien Mortis: damn panzy
Damien Mortis: his ass beta come back sos I can hi' him
Damien Mortis: or kick 'im
Damien Mortis: kick him and hi' 'im
Damien Mortis: slice him and dice him
Damien Mortis: when do I win?
Damien Mortis: ain' there some sor' o' time limi'
HOST DFC Drake: ::Looks to Damien.:: Sure is. Two more minutes, according to the clock.
Damien Mortis: ::just rambling on. It's what happens when he's sober:: damn, two more minutes?
Damien Mortis: I'm wastin' away my life waitin' fer this scrote
Flavorless Gum: Que still open?
HOST DFC Drake: Queue is still open, yes.
Damien Mortis: I tell ya, no respec'
AnubiKar: I thought you said it closed in two minutes, Drakewyn.
HOST DFC Drake: I was talking to Damien about how long he had to wait for his opponent to
HOST DFC Drake: return, not about how long the queue was open.
HOST DFC Drake: Sheesh.
Damien Mortis: ya, min' ya own business, fool
HOST DFC Drake: Speaking of that... ::Looks to Damien:: did you want to find a new opponent?


When Damien pressed his right, Drake basically waved him off, stating he would not be given the option. To spell it out more clearly to those of you having difficulty with this, she was not giving him the option to offer input of any sort. To add insult to the injury, she made a rule up to back up her decision! No where does it say a duel must be more than one round to be considered eligible for forfeit conditions. She backstepped, trying to
say this was now in the mysterious realm of "The Caller's Prerogative", again, this is something that is not expressly stated in the rules, but does indicate that what she considers to be a duel holds more weight than what the rest of the community considers to be a duel. Indeed, by her definition, she opens the door for exploitation, as Lupton and Var discuss in the transcript.


Damien Mortis: don' I ge' a win?
HOST DFC Drake: Sorry, not after one round. If it were more than one round, I'd give you the option.
Damien Mortis: the duel still starte', we go' a score, wha's wrong wit' no' givin' i' ta me?
Damien Mortis: fool go' scare'. Deserves to lose.
RLupton: If round one is completed, he can take the win. ::speaking from his ring:;
Noelle MG: ::listens to Lady Drake and the man converse::
Damien Mortis: so splain yaself
HOST DFC Drake: ::Looks back to Damien.:: It's called Caller's perogative. I don't consider one
HOST DFC Drake: round to be a duel. It's nothing against you, honestly. I would do the same
HOST DFC Drake: no matter who was dueling.
Damien Mortis: wha' the hell?
RLupton: ::snaps back with a grunt, caught hard::
Damien Mortis: This is messe' up. Chea' the one arme' guy outta his win
Jonalyn: ::quirks a brow, glancing around toward Drake::Didst Ah
Jonalyn: 'ear thee rightly, lass, yuir decidin' wh' be a duel or nae?
HOST DFC Drake: I'm sorry, but it's in the rules. By rights, no one -has- to be offered a win in a
HOST DFC Drake: forfeit situation. Now, if you'd like to duel someone else, I'm sure there are
HOST DFC Drake: plenty of people who would be willing to duel you.
Damien Mortis: sure, ya prolly jes' on one o' ya power hungry rages
Noelle MG: ::listens, glancing from Lady Drake to the one-armed man::
Jonalyn: ::looks directly at Drake::Madame, a duel be official once
Jonalyn: ta first round hae been called, be thee now choosin' ta
Jonalyn: set th' aside?
Jonalyn: ::shaking her head, a glance toward Damien::Ah hae nae
Jonalyn: likin' atall fer thee, warlord, bu' tis yuir right ta take ta win
Jonalyn: or ta tie ast thee please...
HOST DFC Drake: ::Looks to Jonalyn.:: Kindly keep your opinion to yourself. By the rules as
HOST DFC Drake: written, it is my choice whether to offer a win in -any- forfeit situation. If you
HOST DFC Drake: wish it to be otherwise, then I suggest you work to become the supervisor and
HOST DFC Drake: change the rules.
RLupton: What Drake is saying throws me off more, Var. These rings need sound barriers.
Damien Mortis: i'm gonna write a nasty letta fer this one, lady
QuickVarMG: ::Shrugs:: I guess I should have left after round one to save face
HOST DFC Drake: Go right ahead.
Damien Mortis: betta ye', I'm gonna ge' my boy Alex ta do i'
Damien Mortis: ::yanks the blade from the ground and sheaths it::
Jonalyn: Madame Silvertree, tis nae yuir right an' perhaps th'
Jonalyn: matter shouldst be reported ta Master Evermeadow
RLupton: I'm forfeiting if I get hit in round one from here on out.
HOST DFC Drake: Lady Starfare, do as you will.
Damien Mortis: damn, when I ge' ta superthingy, ya sorry ass is outta here
Damien Mortis: ::as he struts from the ring::
Jonalyn: Indeed, Madame, methin's tis time ye resigned, an' res'
Jonalyn: assured Madame, Ah hae nae compunction 'o sendin'
Jonalyn: reportin' yuir pomposity an' arrogance ta Master
Jonalyn: Evermeadow.
HOST DFC Drake: As you wish it.
RLupton: Ye must know yer wrong, Drake.
Jonalyn: Madame thee hae played fast an' loose wi' challenges,
Jonalyn: an' hae been reprimanded fer yuir imcompetance
Noelle MG: ::softly:: Seems the man is punished, through no fault of his own.
Jonalyn: ::calmly regarding Drake::Yuir a blight 'pon th' sport,
Jonalyn: Madame, a disgrace ta yuir callin'.
HOST DFC Drake: Show me the rule, Lupton, and I will change my ruling.
Damien Mortis: yeah, wha' tha' lady sai'
Damien Mortis: blight pan t' spor'
Jonalyn: Och, Madame Silvertree, thee show all th' rule, yir ta one
Jonalyn: wh' needs mus' show yuir nae bein' ignorant an' biased,
Jonalyn: nae Lupton
RLupton: Since day one, once a duel is started, if an opponent leaves... he may lose.
QuickVarMG: ::Reading out loud:: If a player voluntarily leaves in the
QuickVarMG: course of a duel, that player forfeits the match
RLupton: I know it because I have won this way.
QuickVarMG: ::Wrinkles his nose at the wording:: "Player..."
Jonalyn: ::nods in agreement with Lupton, glancing to Drake hearing Var::
HOST DFC Drake: ( Alright, give me a minute. )
RLupton: The idea that it could be called a *tie* is recent.
QuickVarMG: ::Shrugs to Drake:: I just think that it should be up to
QuickVarMG: Damien, since the duel was in progress and his opponent
QuickVarMG: left
HOST DFC Drake: ( I don't have my links on this PC, drannit... give me a minute! )
Damien Mortis: yeah, up to Damien
Jonalyn: ::flicks a glance toward Drake::Madame, tis nae excuse
Jonalyn: fer anna nae ta know ta rules 'o engagement if'n they be
Jonalyn: officials 'o th' sport, none atall
Damien Mortis: her ass needs ta be fire'
HOST DFC Drake: ( Drake is going to paraphrase the rules, to keep it IC, okay? )
AnubiKar: You know...I have a question....
HOST DFC Drake: "If a duelist leaves ( is punted ) and unable to return, the caller, with the input
HOST DFC Drake: of the remaining duelist, will decide if the match is to be ruled a tie or a loss.
HOST DFC Drake: If both leave ( are punted ) and unable to return then the score, as it stands at
HOST DFC Drake: the last full round, will determine the winner and the caller will mail the results
HOST DFC Drake: to the participants.
HOST DFC Drake: Now, what part of "The caller will decide if the match is to be ruled a tie or a
HOST DFC Drake: loss" is so hard to understand?
AnubiKar: With the input of the remaining duelist.
Leo De Lorenzo: ::turns to Drake, saying his first words on the matter:: So let us say this man scored
Leo De Lorenzo: and was ahead one point after 1 round.
QuickVarMG: Drake, you were telling Damien to find another opponent
QuickVarMG: Unless I misunderstood you
Damien Mortis: i didn' give my inpu'
Leo De Lorenzo: His opponent leaves, you can decide what happens. If he leaves as well, then he gets
Leo De Lorenzo: the win?
RLupton: What sort of power grasping idiot are ye, Drake?
QuickVarMG: ::Shrugs:: I was concentrating on Lupton
HOST DFC Drake: The duel is declared a tie. Damien was down by half a point.
HOST DFC Drake: ::Looks to Leo.:: If it were your duel, would you take the win?
Flavorless Gum: ::looks around the arena:: Sucks to be Drake...
Leo De Lorenzo: ::not really sure of all the rules, but thought the man should have input::
Leo De Lorenzo: Does that matter?
HOST DFC Drake: Yes... to me, it does matter.
Leo De Lorenzo: I have not been faced with the situation, so I can not answer.
QuickVarMG: ::Taking a moment to nod to Lupton:: Hey, Lupton?
RLupton: Drakewyn, in your world, I could be beating Var 4-0. He could leave, and ye could call it a
RLupton: tie no matter my wish.
RLupton: ::looks back at Var::
Leo De Lorenzo: ::turns to Lupton:: Sir, then you should just leave. The rule says if you both leave,
Leo De Lorenzo: you would get the win. Seems stupid to me.
HOST DFC Drake: No Lupton, not "in my world", but by the strict letter of the rules.
Jonalyn: ::flicks a glance toward Drake::Madame, wh' part 'o if ta
Jonalyn: duelist leaves ta match ta duel be forfeit ta th' duelist?
Jonalyn: Dinna thee understand, Drakey poo?
Damien Mortis: I'm leavin' everytime I don' score in the firs' roun' now
HOST DFC Drake: ::Looks to Leo.:: The man who was left in the ring was losing the match by a
HOST DFC Drake: score of 0.5 to 0.
Leo De Lorenzo: The score shouldn't matter.
RLupton: Drake, how can everyone else be wrong, and ye right?
Jonalyn: Madame, wh' part 'o wi' imput from ta other duelist dinna thee comprehend?
HOST DFC Drake: ::Looks to Damien.:: That's your choice... but don't expect every other caller
HOST DFC Drake: to see the situation as I do.
Leo De Lorenzo: Anyway. I must be going, I believe. ::shrugging and then standing::
Leo De Lorenzo: Fare thee well. ::steps out::
RLupton: Look at the logic.
Damien Mortis: I hope no one sees anythin' like ya sorry ass does.
Jonalyn: ::shaking her head, glances heavenward::Och, may ta
Jonalyn: gods spare th' ancient 'alls from ta arrogant ignorant,
Jonalyn: power crazed fools wh' hae befallen ta once gran' sport.
Damien Mortis: I'm ou'. Lady, tell me when ya ain' workin' so I can come back withou' havin' ta look a' ya
Damien Mortis: ugly face.
HOST DFC Drake: Again, I stand by my ruling. If any of you wish to take this to young Master
HOST DFC Drake: Evermeadow, please do so. If he should decide it otherwise, I will change the
HOST DFC Drake: results accordingly.
Damien Mortis: ::struts out::
OnlineHost: Damien Mortis has left the room.
Jonalyn: ::a glance toward Drake::Rest assured Madame, th'
Jonalyn: matter shall be taken ta Master Evermeadow..
HOST DFC Drake: I'll certainly be the happier for it.
Flavorless Gum: Damien dueled some guy and round 1 was done. His opponent left and Drake called it a tie.
Flavorless Gum: Damien along with others argued it was Damien's choice to take a win or tie.
DreyStarke: Jonalyn, Jonalyn.... If it regards a bad ruling with an official, it's hardly brown-nosing,
DreyStarke: lackwit.
DreyStarke: Oh, indeed, it's Damien's choice whether it is a win or tie.
DreyStarke: At least, that's always been the custom.
Jonalyn: ::amused glance toward Drake::Thee hae stood by yuir
Jonalyn: rulin' afore, Madame an' hae found yuirself publicly
Jonalyn: corrected by nae less th' ta elder Master Evermeadow
HOST DFC Drake: Then if I am corrected on this matter, I shall accept it just as I did the other.
HOST DFC Drake: But until such time, I shall stand by my ruling.
Jonalyn: ::a glance toward Drey, overhearing him::Master Starke
Jonalyn: th' hae been ta rulin' fer all such duels since ta earliest
Jonalyn: days an' nae bu' an' ignorant, pompous, arrogant nae ta
Jonalyn: mention insecure wench such ast Drake wouldst
Jonalyn: continue 'er blatant follies, layin' ta sport low ta suit 'er
Jonalyn: whims.
DreyStarke: ::overhearing Jonalyn, but eyes set on Dustin:: I wouldn't call her such names, but it's
DreyStarke: custom to ask the duelist win or tie.
Jonalyn: ::flicks a glance toward Drake, then toward Drey::Ta
Jonalyn: official ist required ta seek imput from th' offended
Jonalyn: duelist, Master Starke. Och, t'other eve one 'o th'
Jonalyn: equally incompetant officials declared such a duel both a
Jonalyn: tie an' a forfeit, tis one or t'other nae canst it be both.

End Transcript.

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 10 Mar 2000 19:35:10 EST

Madame Silvertree,

What purpose wouldst be served by nae naming the officials? Dost hold that the officials be sacrosanct and nae be subject to question? How verra like thee, Madame, thee who wouldst wish the silence ta reign.

Interesting thine claim that their actions hae been upheld by management, Madame, for in there wast, to the best 'o mine recollection, no official pronouncement by management during the time thou hast claimed thee encountered the situation.

Continue ast thee wish, Madame, protect those and thineself from the consequences of their follies, that ast well suits thine nature, Madame.

Ast be yuir wont, Madame, thee chivy, wiggle, back pedal, deny, whine, moan, and make excuses, yet thou wert again caught out in yuir arrogance, yuir ignorance ast well ast yuir attempt ta grasp unto thineself power that neither be yuir right nor your privelege.

Bluntly,
Jonalyn Starfare

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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:47:27 EST

Lady Starfare.

Rather than giving questions as answers, how about trying to answer the questions as stated.

By not naming the persons who may or may not be members of the staff at this time, I prevent their persecution for acts taken long ago. Actions that I have since corrected, based upon the official decision in this case.
As the aggrieved party in this case, I chose, at that time, not to air my grieviances in a public manner. I spoke privately to the then Supervisor and was given my answer privately... thus, I considered the matter closed.

Unlike others, I do not gain any pleasure in the public castigation of people for their mistakes, real or imagined.


Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 11 Mar 2000 01:20:32 EST

Madame Silvertree,

Persecution? How verra paranoid a phase, Drakey Poo. Certes, ast always, thee wouldst wish such to use yuir phrase, 'mistakes' to nae be commented upon, much ast certes thee mayhap desire none ta comment 'pon yuirs.

It wouldst be interesting to learn whether thee shall perhaps 'correct' all the previous errors and nae just yuirs, Madame. But of course, Drakey Poo, perhaps thee ne'er considered that.

Ast to 'imagined mistakes", Madame, there certes wast nae annathin' imagined of this or yuir previous less than competent 'rulings', now wast there. I must say I find yuir comment that thee dinna gain pleasure in the public castigation of people highly amusing, Madame. Thee indulge yuirself right oft then in this 'displeasing' pasttime.

Jonalyn Starfare.

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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 11 Mar 2000 01:48:55 EST



I saw Jonalyn doing so many evil deeds.

But no matter how many times she asks me, I'll never tell, because she should already know what they are.

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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 02:01:06 EST

Lady Starfare

I chose my words very carefully, and with great deliberation. I use the word "Persecution" because it fits well what would be done to any I would name... though "Needless Persecution" might fit even better.
As for "correcting" any of the other previous "errors" that were made where a Caller decided a duel's result rather than the remaining duelist... that is a situation that each duelist must look into their own hearts for. The path I walk is my own, and I will force no one to come forward and ask their record be ammended.

In closing, I ask you to provide proof of your claim that I indulge myself in the public castigation of others... much less that I indulge myself in such "right oft" as you say.
Once again, your bluff is called. Show your proof here to all the world, assuming you have any.


Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.

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From: morganalefay@aol.com (Morgana le Fay)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 11:41:34 EST

Drakewyn and G'nort,

Do you have anything to say in response to my posting of the transcript which clearly shows Drakewyn never intended to get Damien's input when invoking her "Caller's Prerogative"?

You ask for the proof, then you blatantly ignore it, saying that no one has posted anything intelligent on the subject. It seems to me that if a person does not agree with your opinion that it is "OK" to take words out of rules to make them suit your fancy, then that person is obviously too stupid to respond to. A nice distraction technique, certainly, but certainly not effective.

The argument remains supported by the transcripts: Drakewyn never intended to get Damien's input because, in her opinion, one round does not count as a duel, even though there is no documentation that states a duel must go beyond one round to be officially considered a duel. However, reasonable people agree that once round one has been called, the duel has officially been recognized as a duel.

Lastly, please justify your belief that it is acceptable to ignore and omit words in the rules to make a point because you do not believe the words are necessary, despite their inclusion that assumes the conditions were a necessary part of the process.

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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 11:56:33 EST

Did someone have some type of tape-recorder for Morgan? I mean... I don't think Jonalyn could remember every single detail without any fault and pass it on to Morgan, or am I to assume Jonalyn has more to her than one would expect?
Who had the tape-recorder?

Impressed,




- Drey D'erest Sanchez SIZE=5 PTSIZE=16>Starke

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 15:01:54 EST

Pvt. Lorance Sneggle,

Apparently, sir, yuir nae only verra new come unto the basement, thee seem to hae nae noticed that Madame Silvertree's "Caller's Prerogative" wast set aside by Master Valentine Evermeadow, the Supervisor and that Turienal Lodrelhai Castle, the assistant supervisor concurred.

Sir, thee are either incapable of comprehending the concept or wouldst seem to perhaps be one of those what must rely on someone else to set thine codes, morals and honor for thee. Ast ast already been most clearly noted, tis ne'er ever in the history of this ancient sport that anna official wast e'er granted the sole right or privilege to decide this issue.

If tis thee hold it to be unfair, sir, to accept a win when thou art behind, unfair to whom? Be thee wishing then that the officials shall determine the codes of honor and behavior for thee, sir? How interesting a premise. Perhaps thee are nae able to make such a fundamental decision for thine self and myst be led like a child by one in uniform? How positively unsurprising that one that one whose apparent military designation ist of the lowest
rank wouldst seem to feel the need for moral direction by another who wears a uniform.

Ast to dealing with egos, Pvt. Sneggle, perhaps it hast slipped thine notice that among the larger ones be the one that seems to hae enveloped Madame Silvertree. Perhaps also thee hae failed to notice that her "decisions" hae nae withstood the test of scrutiny.

Jonalyn Starfare

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 15:18:06 EST

Madame Silvertree,

How positively amusing that thee hae nae offered to make a notation in the official standings of the reversal of thine notorious "Caller's Prerogative and apprised the duelist that they may seek redress for those past 'mistakes', nae to mention yuir refusal to name the officials what made those 'mistakes' with regard to yuir own record. Certes, Madame, were the duelist to learn which official hae erred, they might be better able to give unto thee
that information required to request that thee amended their records. How verra droll, Madame, that thee amend thine, but nae grant unto the community the chance to have their's amended by supplying the information.

Ast to public castigation, Madame Silvertee, where shall I begin? The corkboard itself ist riddle with them. Shall I have mine scribes to make true copies, Madame, of the remarks thee directed nae only at mineself, but at Lucian, ast well ast at manna others, each of which had to do with the bringing to light of yuir perfidy?

Tis also nae in the least surprising that thee continue to see as 'persecution' what be most assuredly little more that the right of the community to know which officials didst, either through ignorance or intent, deprive those duelists of the rights long since nae only held as traditional but ast well held to nae be within the purview of the officials.

Madame, thee amusedly demand proof, the proof lies in thine own jottings.

Jonalyn Starfare

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From: morganalefay@aol.com (Morgana le Fay)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 16:17:43 EST

Drey, if you do not have anything relevant to offer in response to my argument, then I must ask what your point is other than to distract from the debate at hand. Otherwise, I must assume you rather enjoy your attempts at derailing debates with cheap and illogical tactics. Be assured that the only thing you have done is shown that when you cannot effectively argue the points before you, you will bring up something else
that has no bearing on the discussion. Perhaps you think that no one will notice you are unable to intelligently and directly rebut the argument. This, sir, is called throwing a red herring into the discussion.

Now that you are through being cute with the red herrings, let me point you back on track and ask if you have anything to offer on the actual subject which is that Drakewyn intentionally refused a duelist's input despite what the rules say because she does not agree with what the rules say in entirety.

Do have the decency and gumption to stay on topic. If you do not care for the topic, simply do not contribute, and kindly refrain from littering the discussion with inanities.

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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 17:56:45 EST

Morgan,

Did I not say, "impressed?" Jonalyn has some blessed ears, and a blessed memory.

Anyway, beyond all the crap you wrote... In that, tape-recording, or whatever it was, I believe it stated my feelings.

Drake was wrong. There never was a Caller's Prerogative, nor did she even consider Damien's input. Damien should have been given the choice for a win.

Helpfully submitted,




- Drey D'erest Sanchez SIZE=5 PTSIZE=16>Starke

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From: sentryash@aol.com (Sentry Ash)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 18:15:29 EST

I'm terribly sorry if this post is rather late -- I'm a bit new in the area..

But from my frequent reading of the rules (in order to understand the guidelines of the Duel of Swords) they're not very hard to misinterpret. I'm displeased to see even a debate over this issue when it's clearly written in the rules. If you're unable to comprehend them correctly, I'd certainly question your abilities as an official of said sport or even a Baron/Overlord for that matter. It's painfully obvious that it is the choice of the duelist
still standing in the ring whether it's a win or tie. That's his input. His input is specifically, a win or tie. And as the days grow, I've learned it is a tradition, or moreso a law that it is the duelist's choice -- no matter the circumstances; as long as the duel starts.

If any official cannot grasp this concept, then I shall refuse to stand in a ring under their contemplation.

Madame Morgan,
Well said.

~ A

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From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 14 Mar 2000 04:21:49 EST

>It's painfully obvious that it is the choice of the duelist
>still standing in the ring whether it's a win or tie. That's his input. His
>input is specifically, a win or tie.

If it is to be so painfully obvious, sir, that the choice is to be that of the remaining duelist, than why do the rules explicitly say the decision is to be made by the caller? Yes, they do say 'with the input of the remaining duelist', however, the words 'with the input' can have several meanings, while the words 'by the caller' are somewhat more explicit.
What the rules say, in my opinion after having read them thoroughly, is that the remaining duelist is allowed to have his say and express his desires on the matter. They also hint that the caller is encouraged to take them into account. However, they clearly state that the decision is to be made by the caller.
To answer Jonalyn and Morgan, this could be used to justify precisely such an argument as 'Caller's Perogative'. In fact, they seem to say explicitly that the decision, perhaps even the 'perogative', is finally in the hands of the caller. That is how it seems to read to me, nor is this the first time I have heard the phrase before. Nor is Drakewyn the first caller to make such a decision, nor is she even the first to make such a decision in
Jonalyn's presence.
Everyone who has been here long enough knows how Jonalyn feels about Drake. Likewise, everyone who has been here long enough knows how there is a small number of people in this community who believe if Jonalyn says it, then it is gospel writ because she says it. Frankly, that idea is balderdash. Jonalyn has her right to her opinion, and her right to share her opinion. However, when a pattern of attacks exists, one must eventually begin to take
certain statements with a grain of salt. Especially in cases where it seems highly likely that the target of the attack is being targeted because of who she is rather than what she did.
I again wish to reiterate that if a decision which is supported by a literal interperetation of the rules is to be changed by the Management, then the management is obligated to change the text of the rules so their literal interperetation and their accepted meaning are one and the same. Regardless of the reasons anyone in this argument has for participating, one fact remains.
IF THE RULE BEING ARGUED OVER WAS WRITTEN SO THAT IT COULD ONLY BE TAKEN TO HAVE ONE CLEAR MEANING, THEN THIS ENTIRE INCIDENT WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
Thank you.







Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont

Warlord of the Duel of Swords

The White Duke

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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 14 Mar 2000 00:45:45 EST

Lady Morgan

Re-read the full transcript of the night in question. I knew Damien Mortis' opinion at the time I made the decision to declare the match a tie.
Posting a small part of the transcript makes it easy to claim anything, but I do not accuse you of that. I only ask that, if you wish to show evidence, you show all of it.

Lady Starfare.

By all means, get your scribes to work making the copies. Post them for all to see! This is, in fact, what I'm asking you to do.
Assuming there is anything to make copies of.


Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.