From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 08 Oct 2000 01:31:58 EDT
To inform the public, I have challenged Var Medici-Giovanni for the Tenth Baronial Ring.
Cassius Gaius Maximius
Challenge to the Tenth
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From: xvevan@aol.com (XvEvan)
Date: 08 Oct 2000 05:59:23 EDT
Good luck Cas. Var, you are not the same person I grew to know. Maybe you find peace one day.
-Evan Rush Rynth
Date: 08 Oct 2000 05:59:23 EDT
Good luck Cas. Var, you are not the same person I grew to know. Maybe you find peace one day.
-Evan Rush Rynth
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From: rlupton@aol.com (RLupton)
Date: 08 Oct 2000 14:01:21 EDT
How utterly gracious of the Roman to let us know. A generous man, he is. I feel truly honored.
He has no need to post his actual challenge letter at the time of the challenge. Why include us, the unworthy public?
I'm glad we were informed so thoroughly. That's awfully kind of him.
~ Lupton
~Lupton est Dracoern
Date: 08 Oct 2000 14:01:21 EDT
How utterly gracious of the Roman to let us know. A generous man, he is. I feel truly honored.
He has no need to post his actual challenge letter at the time of the challenge. Why include us, the unworthy public?
I'm glad we were informed so thoroughly. That's awfully kind of him.
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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 08 Oct 2000 14:12:44 EDT
Here's my notice that, due to the apparent lack of seriousness Cas has shown in this challenge (spelling my name wrong in the initial letter, waiting 4 weeks to challenge when he said he'd give me two weeks "out of respect for my performance" at the warlord's tourney), I am going to be waiting the full length possible, to accomodate for this lack of seriousness.
Furthermore, considering it took him three days to just gather the courage to post the fact he was challenging, I guess he needs to take the extra time to muster up the guts to say why. I'll save you all the "huge suspense" and sum it up for you.
- He wants to get rid of a renegade, since he respects Lucian. I'll buy it, even though he said he'd challenge me before Lucian was Overlord, so we already know what a crock this is. He'd still challenge me if I was loyal to Lucian.
- My last reign went 14 months without challenge, and he wanted to make sure that doesn't happen again. Sounds more like he's quoting Percy here, not to mention he seemed to find it amusing on more than one occasion to issue a false challenge to me during that reign. I didn't see the subtlety at first, but hey, he wrote in his own words in response:
"Funny, you didn't see them as a subliminal message at the time, as well you should have."
I thank him for reinforcing that I should have seen them as subliminal messages. At the risk of sounding paranoid, simply certain types of "jokes" are a means to shy off from blatantly saying it out loud. Oh well, maybe that's why I have a dry sense of humor.
- He doesn't feel my actions should be those of a baron. He highlighted my "inability to show loyalty" which amuses me, considering he told a Warlord tourney winner a few cycles ago that Avery needs to be challenged yet still hid under the loyal guise.
Cas said he doesn't recall telling Leo that Avery needs to be challenged, but when I mentioned it to Cas a while back, Cas merely regarded it as "My word against his" if it were brought up to the community. Of course, he said that if he DID say it, he felt he was doing Avery a favor... that he "knew" Avery wanted to be challenged. I just don't see how a friend and loyal baron would toss the risk of losing title to a friend. Oh well, I'm the
"disloyal" one, heh.
Oh yeah, Cas also said that I lack the ability to digest opinions and positions different from mine. Considering he also called me self righteous earlier in the letter, I don't see how this surprises him.
- He respects my ability and wishes to test his skill. Overhearing that a couple nights ago he said in the Arena that, after being told that I am quite able to back up myself with steel, he wishes to quote his record against me proving otherwise. I fail to see how he wishes to test his skill against someone with a record he seems to have beaten many times before.
In other words, this is the first time I've received challenge from a warlord so full of crap his eyes are changing to a very deep brown color. As said before, I'll wait a week when the peer wins are validated before accepting, and scheduling the challenge to be in the distant future with the acceptance.
Now for my own amusement, I await Cas to gather buddies to pick apart my words, when I'm merely pointing out Cas wants another ring and, as always, is a sorry, lying schmuck. Good day.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
Date: 08 Oct 2000 14:12:44 EDT
Here's my notice that, due to the apparent lack of seriousness Cas has shown in this challenge (spelling my name wrong in the initial letter, waiting 4 weeks to challenge when he said he'd give me two weeks "out of respect for my performance" at the warlord's tourney), I am going to be waiting the full length possible, to accomodate for this lack of seriousness.
Furthermore, considering it took him three days to just gather the courage to post the fact he was challenging, I guess he needs to take the extra time to muster up the guts to say why. I'll save you all the "huge suspense" and sum it up for you.
- He wants to get rid of a renegade, since he respects Lucian. I'll buy it, even though he said he'd challenge me before Lucian was Overlord, so we already know what a crock this is. He'd still challenge me if I was loyal to Lucian.
- My last reign went 14 months without challenge, and he wanted to make sure that doesn't happen again. Sounds more like he's quoting Percy here, not to mention he seemed to find it amusing on more than one occasion to issue a false challenge to me during that reign. I didn't see the subtlety at first, but hey, he wrote in his own words in response:
"Funny, you didn't see them as a subliminal message at the time, as well you should have."
I thank him for reinforcing that I should have seen them as subliminal messages. At the risk of sounding paranoid, simply certain types of "jokes" are a means to shy off from blatantly saying it out loud. Oh well, maybe that's why I have a dry sense of humor.
- He doesn't feel my actions should be those of a baron. He highlighted my "inability to show loyalty" which amuses me, considering he told a Warlord tourney winner a few cycles ago that Avery needs to be challenged yet still hid under the loyal guise.
Cas said he doesn't recall telling Leo that Avery needs to be challenged, but when I mentioned it to Cas a while back, Cas merely regarded it as "My word against his" if it were brought up to the community. Of course, he said that if he DID say it, he felt he was doing Avery a favor... that he "knew" Avery wanted to be challenged. I just don't see how a friend and loyal baron would toss the risk of losing title to a friend. Oh well, I'm the
"disloyal" one, heh.
Oh yeah, Cas also said that I lack the ability to digest opinions and positions different from mine. Considering he also called me self righteous earlier in the letter, I don't see how this surprises him.
- He respects my ability and wishes to test his skill. Overhearing that a couple nights ago he said in the Arena that, after being told that I am quite able to back up myself with steel, he wishes to quote his record against me proving otherwise. I fail to see how he wishes to test his skill against someone with a record he seems to have beaten many times before.
In other words, this is the first time I've received challenge from a warlord so full of crap his eyes are changing to a very deep brown color. As said before, I'll wait a week when the peer wins are validated before accepting, and scheduling the challenge to be in the distant future with the acceptance.
Now for my own amusement, I await Cas to gather buddies to pick apart my words, when I'm merely pointing out Cas wants another ring and, as always, is a sorry, lying schmuck. Good day.
Var Medici-Giovanni
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From: flavorlessgum@aol.com (Flavorless Gum)
Date: 08 Oct 2000 14:46:13 EDT
>He'd still challenge me if I was loyal to Lucian.
He told me at my challenge match that if I were to defend my ring, he'd challenge me. Although it was probably an empty threat, I'd thought I'd bring it up.
Dustin Manjahcapery
Former Baron of the Seventh Ring
Holder of the Yellow Opal, Moonberyl.
Date: 08 Oct 2000 14:46:13 EDT
>He'd still challenge me if I was loyal to Lucian.
He told me at my challenge match that if I were to defend my ring, he'd challenge me. Although it was probably an empty threat, I'd thought I'd bring it up.
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From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 08 Oct 2000 16:40:27 EDT
Here we go....time to wade in the mud...
"Furthermore, considering it took him three days to just gather the courage
to post the fact he was challenging, I guess he needs to take the extra time
to muster up the guts to say why"
Other duties occupied my time, such as the forming and registering of Mercenarii. I do apologize for this, the serious sin of having a busy schedule. And oddly enough Lupton, when you challenged me for the Sixth, you didn't take the time to inform the Community *at all*.
Oh, and here is a complete copy of my challenge letter, for those who care to know:
"Var Medici-Giovanni(the spelling error Var cares so much about is fixed),
As was known to come, I, Cassius Gaius Maximius, hereby issue challenge to you for the right to hold the Tenth Baronial Ring of the Duel of Swords. To start with, I have come learn that you are Renegade to Lucian, our newest Overlord. Lucian is a man who I have always respected, and I desire to remove a Renegade from his reign. Secondly, your last reign as Baron of the 10th went well over a year without issuance of challenge; I personally do not
believe in such long periods of time going untested for a holder of titled rank, and I intend to insure that does not happen this reign. Thirdly, while I certainly respect your prowess in the rings and your accomplishments, indeed, I would be foolish not to, I feel your behavior is ofttimes unbecoming of a Baron. I feel you have shown streaks of disloyalty in the past, as well as an inability to digest opinions and positions different from yours, and
frankly, I feel you can be very self-righteous. Lastly, I do, as stated above, respect your dueling ability, and feel this would be a superb test of skill. My peer wins will be sent in a seperate document to the proper parties."
If you want copies of his response-I wonder if he'll bare that for public record now-or of my response, just ask. Now, on with answering his "accusations".
" He wants to get rid of a renegade, since he respects Lucian. I'll buy it,
even though he said he'd challenge me before Lucian was Overlord, so we
already know what a crock this is. He'd still challenge me if I was loyal to
Lucian."
It is true that I would challenge you if you were a Loyal to Lucian. It's also true that I respect Lucian and am given extra motivation by the fact you are Renegade.
" My last reign went 14 months without challenge, and he wanted to make sure
that doesn't happen again. Sounds more like he's quoting Percy here, not to
mention he seemed to find it amusing on more than one occasion to issue a
false challenge to me during that reign. I didn't see the subtlety at first,
but hey, he wrote in his own words in response:
"Funny, you didn't see them as a subliminal message at the time, as well you
should have."
I thank him for reinforcing that I should have seen them as subliminal
messages. At the risk of sounding paranoid, simply certain types of "jokes"
are a means to shy off from blatantly saying it out loud. Oh well, maybe
that's why I have a dry sense of humor."
Ok Var, in response to that, here is the entire response to that accusation.
" So I'm a bad person for having sent prank challenge letters to you back when we were good friends? Those were jokes, Var... J-O-K-E-S. Some well-intended jovial fun with people who were my friends that happened to be Barons. Funny, you didn't see them as a subliminal message at the time, as well you should have. The same practical joke was played on Marius, for the gods's sake! Think I really wanted to challenge him too deep down, Var? If you
see a mock challenge notice to a friend on the Council as a serious offense, then maybe you put too much value on your ring, Var. "
I feel like I'm explaining something to an addled child here. I sent joke challenge letters to friends of mine who were Barons at the time, and in return, they sent such joke letters to me when I was a Baron. Never thought I'd see the day when I'd get mud slinged at me for having fun with friends. That is what I considered Var at the time: A friend.
Why are you so against challenges Var? Do you think we should let you have the Tenth unopposed til the day you die? I'm beginning to think the answer is yes.
"He doesn't feel my actions should be those of a baron. He highlighted my
"inability to show loyalty" which amuses me, considering he told a Warlord
tourney winner a few cycles ago that Avery needs to be challenged yet still
hid under the loyal guise.
Cas said he doesn't recall telling Leo that Avery needs to be challenged,
but when I mentioned it to Cas a while back, Cas merely regarded it as "My
word against his" if it were brought up to the community. Of course, he said
that if he DID say it, he felt he was doing Avery a favor... that he "knew"
Avery wanted to be challenged. I just don't see how a friend and loyal baron
would toss the risk of losing title to a friend. Oh well, I'm the
"disloyal" one, heh."
Hey Var, if you're so confident I'm a bad guy and this will prove it, why do you not qoute me in my entirety? Again, here we go...
"First off, I don't remember saying this. But it's quite probable I did, and I'll tell you why: Avery wanted challenges himself. He had two challenges in six months, and, as I'm sure you know, his nature was/is that of a competitor. I can want to see a friend in a challenge match without wanting to see them lose, Var, try getting acquainted to that concept. Example: I wanted to see Daelin challenge Del, and I was encouraging of it. Doesn't mean
I wanted to see Del humiliate him. In fact, the exact opposite.
By the way, Var, if I really wanted to see Avery lose his crown, why didn't I challenge him back in December when I won the right to? I expect the "You were scared" auto-response, even though, as a WLT prizewinner who could have still challenged that cycle, I certainly had nothing to lose. But that would require usage of logic, wouldn't it?"
Oh yeah. I do want to state that with all that said, I did not approach Leonardo de Lorenzo and try to convince him to challenge Avery. I'm fairly convinced the scenario you described did happen, even though I do not remember it, in which case what most likely happened was Leo told me in conversation of his plans to challenge Avery-this in relation to the fact that I, the last WLT prizewinner, did not, "disloyal" to Avery as I was and all...and I
merely echoed the sentiment that it was good for the Overlord to recieve challenge. Doesn't mean I wanted to see Avery lose. It meant I wanted to see Avery's legend grow. I know this much: I did not seek out anyone to convince them to challenge Avery, and in the possible instance of that encounter, it was a conversation with a man already convinced to challenge, and a sentiment to see the Overlord do what he loved/loves to do.
Var, all you're proving to me is just how you do view titled ranks. And really, as far as disloyalty to Avery, while I never mentioned that in my challenge specifically, that's one area where you should watch your step.
"He respects my ability and wishes to test his skill. Overhearing that a
couple nights ago he said in the Arena that, after being told that I am quite
able to back up myself with steel, he wishes to quote his record against me
proving otherwise. I fail to see how he wishes to test his skill against
someone with a record he seems to have beaten many times before."
The individual in question was predicting my sure defeat, and by qouting my record against you-by the by, I never actually named numbers or instances-I stated I felt differently.
"In other words, this is the first time I've received challenge from a
warlord so full of crap his eyes are changing to a very deep brown color"
In other words, this is the first time I've challenged a Baron who has whined, kicked and screamed so much upon the news. I don't know why you think it's so important to try and drag me through the mud; I'm more than able to answer what you claim, and it's not going to solve anything. I'm not rescinding challenge, if that's your deep secret hope.
>
" Now for my own amusement, I await Cas to gather buddies to pick apart my
words, when I'm merely pointing out Cas wants another ring and, as always, is
a sorry, lying schmuck. Good day."
My friends can say what they will, as I said in my missive of response, you're not drawing me into a mud war. I'll see you in the ring.
Cassius Gaius Maximius
Date: 08 Oct 2000 16:40:27 EDT
Here we go....time to wade in the mud...
"Furthermore, considering it took him three days to just gather the courage
to post the fact he was challenging, I guess he needs to take the extra time
to muster up the guts to say why"
Other duties occupied my time, such as the forming and registering of Mercenarii. I do apologize for this, the serious sin of having a busy schedule. And oddly enough Lupton, when you challenged me for the Sixth, you didn't take the time to inform the Community *at all*.
Oh, and here is a complete copy of my challenge letter, for those who care to know:
"Var Medici-Giovanni(the spelling error Var cares so much about is fixed),
As was known to come, I, Cassius Gaius Maximius, hereby issue challenge to you for the right to hold the Tenth Baronial Ring of the Duel of Swords. To start with, I have come learn that you are Renegade to Lucian, our newest Overlord. Lucian is a man who I have always respected, and I desire to remove a Renegade from his reign. Secondly, your last reign as Baron of the 10th went well over a year without issuance of challenge; I personally do not
believe in such long periods of time going untested for a holder of titled rank, and I intend to insure that does not happen this reign. Thirdly, while I certainly respect your prowess in the rings and your accomplishments, indeed, I would be foolish not to, I feel your behavior is ofttimes unbecoming of a Baron. I feel you have shown streaks of disloyalty in the past, as well as an inability to digest opinions and positions different from yours, and
frankly, I feel you can be very self-righteous. Lastly, I do, as stated above, respect your dueling ability, and feel this would be a superb test of skill. My peer wins will be sent in a seperate document to the proper parties."
If you want copies of his response-I wonder if he'll bare that for public record now-or of my response, just ask. Now, on with answering his "accusations".
" He wants to get rid of a renegade, since he respects Lucian. I'll buy it,
even though he said he'd challenge me before Lucian was Overlord, so we
already know what a crock this is. He'd still challenge me if I was loyal to
Lucian."
It is true that I would challenge you if you were a Loyal to Lucian. It's also true that I respect Lucian and am given extra motivation by the fact you are Renegade.
" My last reign went 14 months without challenge, and he wanted to make sure
that doesn't happen again. Sounds more like he's quoting Percy here, not to
mention he seemed to find it amusing on more than one occasion to issue a
false challenge to me during that reign. I didn't see the subtlety at first,
but hey, he wrote in his own words in response:
"Funny, you didn't see them as a subliminal message at the time, as well you
should have."
I thank him for reinforcing that I should have seen them as subliminal
messages. At the risk of sounding paranoid, simply certain types of "jokes"
are a means to shy off from blatantly saying it out loud. Oh well, maybe
that's why I have a dry sense of humor."
Ok Var, in response to that, here is the entire response to that accusation.
" So I'm a bad person for having sent prank challenge letters to you back when we were good friends? Those were jokes, Var... J-O-K-E-S. Some well-intended jovial fun with people who were my friends that happened to be Barons. Funny, you didn't see them as a subliminal message at the time, as well you should have. The same practical joke was played on Marius, for the gods's sake! Think I really wanted to challenge him too deep down, Var? If you
see a mock challenge notice to a friend on the Council as a serious offense, then maybe you put too much value on your ring, Var. "
I feel like I'm explaining something to an addled child here. I sent joke challenge letters to friends of mine who were Barons at the time, and in return, they sent such joke letters to me when I was a Baron. Never thought I'd see the day when I'd get mud slinged at me for having fun with friends. That is what I considered Var at the time: A friend.
Why are you so against challenges Var? Do you think we should let you have the Tenth unopposed til the day you die? I'm beginning to think the answer is yes.
"He doesn't feel my actions should be those of a baron. He highlighted my
"inability to show loyalty" which amuses me, considering he told a Warlord
tourney winner a few cycles ago that Avery needs to be challenged yet still
hid under the loyal guise.
Cas said he doesn't recall telling Leo that Avery needs to be challenged,
but when I mentioned it to Cas a while back, Cas merely regarded it as "My
word against his" if it were brought up to the community. Of course, he said
that if he DID say it, he felt he was doing Avery a favor... that he "knew"
Avery wanted to be challenged. I just don't see how a friend and loyal baron
would toss the risk of losing title to a friend. Oh well, I'm the
"disloyal" one, heh."
Hey Var, if you're so confident I'm a bad guy and this will prove it, why do you not qoute me in my entirety? Again, here we go...
"First off, I don't remember saying this. But it's quite probable I did, and I'll tell you why: Avery wanted challenges himself. He had two challenges in six months, and, as I'm sure you know, his nature was/is that of a competitor. I can want to see a friend in a challenge match without wanting to see them lose, Var, try getting acquainted to that concept. Example: I wanted to see Daelin challenge Del, and I was encouraging of it. Doesn't mean
I wanted to see Del humiliate him. In fact, the exact opposite.
By the way, Var, if I really wanted to see Avery lose his crown, why didn't I challenge him back in December when I won the right to? I expect the "You were scared" auto-response, even though, as a WLT prizewinner who could have still challenged that cycle, I certainly had nothing to lose. But that would require usage of logic, wouldn't it?"
Oh yeah. I do want to state that with all that said, I did not approach Leonardo de Lorenzo and try to convince him to challenge Avery. I'm fairly convinced the scenario you described did happen, even though I do not remember it, in which case what most likely happened was Leo told me in conversation of his plans to challenge Avery-this in relation to the fact that I, the last WLT prizewinner, did not, "disloyal" to Avery as I was and all...and I
merely echoed the sentiment that it was good for the Overlord to recieve challenge. Doesn't mean I wanted to see Avery lose. It meant I wanted to see Avery's legend grow. I know this much: I did not seek out anyone to convince them to challenge Avery, and in the possible instance of that encounter, it was a conversation with a man already convinced to challenge, and a sentiment to see the Overlord do what he loved/loves to do.
Var, all you're proving to me is just how you do view titled ranks. And really, as far as disloyalty to Avery, while I never mentioned that in my challenge specifically, that's one area where you should watch your step.
"He respects my ability and wishes to test his skill. Overhearing that a
couple nights ago he said in the Arena that, after being told that I am quite
able to back up myself with steel, he wishes to quote his record against me
proving otherwise. I fail to see how he wishes to test his skill against
someone with a record he seems to have beaten many times before."
The individual in question was predicting my sure defeat, and by qouting my record against you-by the by, I never actually named numbers or instances-I stated I felt differently.
"In other words, this is the first time I've received challenge from a
warlord so full of crap his eyes are changing to a very deep brown color"
In other words, this is the first time I've challenged a Baron who has whined, kicked and screamed so much upon the news. I don't know why you think it's so important to try and drag me through the mud; I'm more than able to answer what you claim, and it's not going to solve anything. I'm not rescinding challenge, if that's your deep secret hope.
>
" Now for my own amusement, I await Cas to gather buddies to pick apart my
words, when I'm merely pointing out Cas wants another ring and, as always, is
a sorry, lying schmuck. Good day."
My friends can say what they will, as I said in my missive of response, you're not drawing me into a mud war. I'll see you in the ring.
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 08 Oct 2000 20:07:50 EDT
Cassius Gaius Maximus,
Certes thee may gull the gullible into believing yuir drivel, however, tis well know that whilst thee didst 'old title thee all but wet thine toga in fear that thee wouldst face challenge.
How verra amusing for thee to claim thou wert otherwise occupied and couldna apprise the public that thou hae issued challenge. Assuredly thou wert nae so occupied that thou couldst nae lift blade in the basement.
How verra unseemly and so typical of thee to treat the matter of a challenge ast a prank, a mere joke to play upon various of the Barons. Tis but that merely further pronounces thine lack of respect for title ast well ast for this ancient and honorable bloodsport, something thee didst most oft during yuir brief, ignominious reign.
Assuredly thou didst display thine 'friendship and loyalty' unto Avery. Certes tis a grand show of friendship and loyalty, scurrying about ast a rat in the shadows, seeking out someone to challenge thine oh so dear friend.
Thou darest to ask the Baron Var why he be so against challenges? How verra amusing, fore in that I assuredly recall how, whilst thee held title, thee spent many a long hour in the basement, whimpering and whining and all but getting upon thine knees in thine various attempts to discover who might be considering issuing challenge unto thee and all but groveled afore many a warlord in thine attempts to dissuage them from issuing challenge unto thee.
Ast to thine claims of respect for Lucian, balderdash, roman. If'n thine claimed respect for Lucian e'en resembles that what hou didst claim for Avery, assuredly the Overlord hast little need for it.
Thou wouldst dare to opine that the Baron Var-Medici-Giovanni's behavior ist in some way disparaging or disrespectful of his Ring and title? How droll, roman, for one needs only recall thine own ignominous reign to opine that yuir behavior whilst holding title wast pitiable and most assuredly unbefitting one of titled rank.
Though thee wouldst hae the gullible believe thou wert in some way attempting to show thine self ast being self sacrificing in nae issuing challenge uto Avery ast the one what hae garnered the right by finishing during that Warlord's Tourney, methinks t'was merely that thee wished to present thine self ast being a true and loyal friend of Avery Shiv Blade, a fallacy assuredly, fore in thee wert all the while slithering about ast the true reptile
thou art, seeking of others that they shouldst attempt to unseat Avery. Further, doubtless thou hae nae desire to face the humilation of defeat which most assuredly wouldst hae been dealt unto thee by Avery.
Thou didst assuredly show thine unwavering loyalty for thine friend, Avery. Let us nae forget thine haste to see him unseated, nor let us forget thine participation in the Tournament of Barons wherein thee didst hope to garner title.
How verra like thee to exhibit a selective memory, roman. Whilst thou didst but give public lip service unto thine friend Avery with thine claims if friendship and loyalty, thou didst all thou wert able to deflect challenge away from thine own title and all thou wert able to direct challenge unto the former Overlord.
Ast to whining, Gaius Cassius Maximus, thou ast that particular talent honed to a fine art. Thine blatant and pitiable hypocrisy ist but to be expected, roman. Thou wouldst issue challenge unto the Baron Var Medici-Giovanni with a claim that the reign of those which do hold title shouldst nae be subjected to long periods without challenge, whilst thee didst whimper, whine, grovel, plead and all but beg anna what showed e'en the merest hint that
they hae thee in their sight to seek elsewhere for title.
Amusedly,
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 08 Oct 2000 20:07:50 EDT
Cassius Gaius Maximus,
Certes thee may gull the gullible into believing yuir drivel, however, tis well know that whilst thee didst 'old title thee all but wet thine toga in fear that thee wouldst face challenge.
How verra amusing for thee to claim thou wert otherwise occupied and couldna apprise the public that thou hae issued challenge. Assuredly thou wert nae so occupied that thou couldst nae lift blade in the basement.
How verra unseemly and so typical of thee to treat the matter of a challenge ast a prank, a mere joke to play upon various of the Barons. Tis but that merely further pronounces thine lack of respect for title ast well ast for this ancient and honorable bloodsport, something thee didst most oft during yuir brief, ignominious reign.
Assuredly thou didst display thine 'friendship and loyalty' unto Avery. Certes tis a grand show of friendship and loyalty, scurrying about ast a rat in the shadows, seeking out someone to challenge thine oh so dear friend.
Thou darest to ask the Baron Var why he be so against challenges? How verra amusing, fore in that I assuredly recall how, whilst thee held title, thee spent many a long hour in the basement, whimpering and whining and all but getting upon thine knees in thine various attempts to discover who might be considering issuing challenge unto thee and all but groveled afore many a warlord in thine attempts to dissuage them from issuing challenge unto thee.
Ast to thine claims of respect for Lucian, balderdash, roman. If'n thine claimed respect for Lucian e'en resembles that what hou didst claim for Avery, assuredly the Overlord hast little need for it.
Thou wouldst dare to opine that the Baron Var-Medici-Giovanni's behavior ist in some way disparaging or disrespectful of his Ring and title? How droll, roman, for one needs only recall thine own ignominous reign to opine that yuir behavior whilst holding title wast pitiable and most assuredly unbefitting one of titled rank.
Though thee wouldst hae the gullible believe thou wert in some way attempting to show thine self ast being self sacrificing in nae issuing challenge uto Avery ast the one what hae garnered the right by finishing during that Warlord's Tourney, methinks t'was merely that thee wished to present thine self ast being a true and loyal friend of Avery Shiv Blade, a fallacy assuredly, fore in thee wert all the while slithering about ast the true reptile
thou art, seeking of others that they shouldst attempt to unseat Avery. Further, doubtless thou hae nae desire to face the humilation of defeat which most assuredly wouldst hae been dealt unto thee by Avery.
Thou didst assuredly show thine unwavering loyalty for thine friend, Avery. Let us nae forget thine haste to see him unseated, nor let us forget thine participation in the Tournament of Barons wherein thee didst hope to garner title.
How verra like thee to exhibit a selective memory, roman. Whilst thou didst but give public lip service unto thine friend Avery with thine claims if friendship and loyalty, thou didst all thou wert able to deflect challenge away from thine own title and all thou wert able to direct challenge unto the former Overlord.
Ast to whining, Gaius Cassius Maximus, thou ast that particular talent honed to a fine art. Thine blatant and pitiable hypocrisy ist but to be expected, roman. Thou wouldst issue challenge unto the Baron Var Medici-Giovanni with a claim that the reign of those which do hold title shouldst nae be subjected to long periods without challenge, whilst thee didst whimper, whine, grovel, plead and all but beg anna what showed e'en the merest hint that
they hae thee in their sight to seek elsewhere for title.
Amusedly,
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 08 Oct 2000 20:23:27 EDT
Well, looks like the pen got fixed.
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Date: 08 Oct 2000 20:23:27 EDT
Well, looks like the pen got fixed.
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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 09 Oct 2000 00:14:12 EDT
" Other duties occupied my time, such as the forming and registering of Mercenarii. I do apologize for this, the serious sin of having a busy schedule."
So serious you had the time to write a letter to me, and, according to my messenger boy, a copy to the entire baron's council, not to mention duel?
" " So I'm a bad person for having sent prank challenge letters to you back when we were good friends? Those were jokes, Var... J-O-K-E-S. Some well-intended jovial fun with people who were my friends that happened to be Barons. Funny, you didn't see them as a subliminal message at the time, as well you should have. The same practical joke was played on Marius, for the gods's sake! Think I really wanted to challenge him too deep down, Var? If you
see a mock challenge notice to a friend on the Council as a serious offense, then maybe you put too much value on your ring, Var. "
I feel like I'm explaining something to an addled child here. I sent joke challenge letters to friends of mine who were Barons at the time, and in return, they sent such joke letters to me when I was a Baron. Never thought I'd see the day when I'd get mud slinged at me for having fun with friends. That is what I considered Var at the time: A friend."
Read your own words, Cas. You said "I didn't read it at the time, as well I should have." Seems to me you are saying I should have read it as a subliminal message.
"Why are you so against challenges Var? Do you think we should let you have the Tenth unopposed til the day you die? I'm beginning to think the answer is yes."
I don't mind challenges as long as there isn't a load of crap behind them like you tossed out. I didn't give Damien a hard time, for example, because at least he didn't toss in extra junk. He said why, and he didn't treat me or the baron's council as idiots by saying another reason.
"Hey Var, if you're so confident I'm a bad guy and this will prove it, why do you not qoute me in my entirety? Again, here we go...
"First off, I don't remember saying this. But it's quite probable I did, and I'll tell you why: Avery wanted challenges himself. He had two challenges in six months, and, as I'm sure you know, his nature was/is that of a competitor. I can want to see a friend in a challenge match without wanting to see them lose, Var, try getting acquainted to that concept. Example: I wanted to see Daelin challenge Del, and I was encouraging of it. Doesn't mean
I wanted to see Del humiliate him. In fact, the exact opposite.
By the way, Var, if I really wanted to see Avery lose his crown, why didn't I challenge him back in December when I won the right to? I expect the "You were scared" auto-response, even though, as a WLT prizewinner who could have still challenged that cycle, I certainly had nothing to lose. But that would require usage of logic, wouldn't it?"
Oh yeah. I do want to state that with all that said, I did not approach Leonardo de Lorenzo and try to convince him to challenge Avery. I'm fairly convinced the scenario you described did happen, even though I do not remember it, in which case what most likely happened was Leo told me in conversation of his plans to challenge Avery-this in relation to the fact that I, the last WLT prizewinner, did not, "disloyal" to Avery as I was and all...and I
merely echoed the sentiment that it was good for the Overlord to recieve challenge. Doesn't mean I wanted to see Avery lose. It meant I wanted to see Avery's legend grow. I know this much: I did not seek out anyone to convince them to challenge Avery, and in the possible instance of that encounter, it was a conversation with a man already convinced to challenge, and a sentiment to see the Overlord do what he loved/loves to do.
Var, all you're proving to me is just how you do view titled ranks. And really, as far as disloyalty to Avery, while I never mentioned that in my challenge specifically, that's one area where you should watch your step."
I initially didn't want to quote you entirely because of your rant and the answers should be fairly obvious. Why not challenge Avery yourself back in December? You don't like disapproval, Cas. You sure as hell would have received a lot of it.
It still amuses me how you continue to deny remembering the discussion with Leo. After all, you said to me in our private discussion it was my word against yours.
Now tell me, Cas. How DO I view titled ranks? I'm quite sure you know better. After all, I have always been so indignant in my responses to challenges. It's not like you were the only one.
Regarding the Avery issue, I don't need you to tell me where to watch my step. I pretty much expect people to bring that up.
" The individual in question was predicting my sure defeat, and by qouting my record against you-by the by, I never actually named numbers or instances-I stated I felt differently. "
So why do you want to test your skill against me if you're sure you'll beat me, and you mentioned your record against me as a back-up? Sounds like you consider me an easy win... how can you test your skill against such an easy opponent as me?
" In other words, this is the first time I've challenged a Baron who has whined, kicked and screamed so much upon the news. I don't know why you think it's so important to try and drag me through the mud; I'm more than able to answer what you claim, and it's not going to solve anything. I'm not rescinding challenge, if that's your deep secret hope."
Should I write a letter to Ian, G, or one of your other friends to help you remove your head from your own backside? Or can you ask them yourself?
Why drag you through the mud? Because Jesse once told me sarcastically how I was the master of the obvious. I pride myself in pointing what a chump you are, because you're bound to respond.
Regarding posting my own response, I pretty much spoke for myself in the post. Get one of your mercs to tack up a copy.
Also, it seems more fun not to do it, merely because you're trying to bait me with posting it. You're just one of those twits whom I won't oblige. It's a pride issue. I'm sure the public understands. If not, oh well.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
Date: 09 Oct 2000 00:14:12 EDT
" Other duties occupied my time, such as the forming and registering of Mercenarii. I do apologize for this, the serious sin of having a busy schedule."
So serious you had the time to write a letter to me, and, according to my messenger boy, a copy to the entire baron's council, not to mention duel?
" " So I'm a bad person for having sent prank challenge letters to you back when we were good friends? Those were jokes, Var... J-O-K-E-S. Some well-intended jovial fun with people who were my friends that happened to be Barons. Funny, you didn't see them as a subliminal message at the time, as well you should have. The same practical joke was played on Marius, for the gods's sake! Think I really wanted to challenge him too deep down, Var? If you
see a mock challenge notice to a friend on the Council as a serious offense, then maybe you put too much value on your ring, Var. "
I feel like I'm explaining something to an addled child here. I sent joke challenge letters to friends of mine who were Barons at the time, and in return, they sent such joke letters to me when I was a Baron. Never thought I'd see the day when I'd get mud slinged at me for having fun with friends. That is what I considered Var at the time: A friend."
Read your own words, Cas. You said "I didn't read it at the time, as well I should have." Seems to me you are saying I should have read it as a subliminal message.
"Why are you so against challenges Var? Do you think we should let you have the Tenth unopposed til the day you die? I'm beginning to think the answer is yes."
I don't mind challenges as long as there isn't a load of crap behind them like you tossed out. I didn't give Damien a hard time, for example, because at least he didn't toss in extra junk. He said why, and he didn't treat me or the baron's council as idiots by saying another reason.
"Hey Var, if you're so confident I'm a bad guy and this will prove it, why do you not qoute me in my entirety? Again, here we go...
"First off, I don't remember saying this. But it's quite probable I did, and I'll tell you why: Avery wanted challenges himself. He had two challenges in six months, and, as I'm sure you know, his nature was/is that of a competitor. I can want to see a friend in a challenge match without wanting to see them lose, Var, try getting acquainted to that concept. Example: I wanted to see Daelin challenge Del, and I was encouraging of it. Doesn't mean
I wanted to see Del humiliate him. In fact, the exact opposite.
By the way, Var, if I really wanted to see Avery lose his crown, why didn't I challenge him back in December when I won the right to? I expect the "You were scared" auto-response, even though, as a WLT prizewinner who could have still challenged that cycle, I certainly had nothing to lose. But that would require usage of logic, wouldn't it?"
Oh yeah. I do want to state that with all that said, I did not approach Leonardo de Lorenzo and try to convince him to challenge Avery. I'm fairly convinced the scenario you described did happen, even though I do not remember it, in which case what most likely happened was Leo told me in conversation of his plans to challenge Avery-this in relation to the fact that I, the last WLT prizewinner, did not, "disloyal" to Avery as I was and all...and I
merely echoed the sentiment that it was good for the Overlord to recieve challenge. Doesn't mean I wanted to see Avery lose. It meant I wanted to see Avery's legend grow. I know this much: I did not seek out anyone to convince them to challenge Avery, and in the possible instance of that encounter, it was a conversation with a man already convinced to challenge, and a sentiment to see the Overlord do what he loved/loves to do.
Var, all you're proving to me is just how you do view titled ranks. And really, as far as disloyalty to Avery, while I never mentioned that in my challenge specifically, that's one area where you should watch your step."
I initially didn't want to quote you entirely because of your rant and the answers should be fairly obvious. Why not challenge Avery yourself back in December? You don't like disapproval, Cas. You sure as hell would have received a lot of it.
It still amuses me how you continue to deny remembering the discussion with Leo. After all, you said to me in our private discussion it was my word against yours.
Now tell me, Cas. How DO I view titled ranks? I'm quite sure you know better. After all, I have always been so indignant in my responses to challenges. It's not like you were the only one.
Regarding the Avery issue, I don't need you to tell me where to watch my step. I pretty much expect people to bring that up.
" The individual in question was predicting my sure defeat, and by qouting my record against you-by the by, I never actually named numbers or instances-I stated I felt differently. "
So why do you want to test your skill against me if you're sure you'll beat me, and you mentioned your record against me as a back-up? Sounds like you consider me an easy win... how can you test your skill against such an easy opponent as me?
" In other words, this is the first time I've challenged a Baron who has whined, kicked and screamed so much upon the news. I don't know why you think it's so important to try and drag me through the mud; I'm more than able to answer what you claim, and it's not going to solve anything. I'm not rescinding challenge, if that's your deep secret hope."
Should I write a letter to Ian, G, or one of your other friends to help you remove your head from your own backside? Or can you ask them yourself?
Why drag you through the mud? Because Jesse once told me sarcastically how I was the master of the obvious. I pride myself in pointing what a chump you are, because you're bound to respond.
Regarding posting my own response, I pretty much spoke for myself in the post. Get one of your mercs to tack up a copy.
Also, it seems more fun not to do it, merely because you're trying to bait me with posting it. You're just one of those twits whom I won't oblige. It's a pride issue. I'm sure the public understands. If not, oh well.
Var Medici-Giovanni
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From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 09 Oct 2000 00:35:46 EDT
" Read your own words, Cas. You said "I didn't read it at the time, as well
I should have." Seems to me you are saying I should have read it as a
subliminal message."
This is the only point I'm responding to. By should have, I meant that you "should have" not looked at joke letters as a threat. My apologies for assuming you had the basic intelligence to determine such.
Var, have fun slinging mud by yourself, you're not going to accomplish anything. Have as much fun as you want, in the end, we are still going to be dueling for the ring. I know my reasons, I've given them plainly, that's that. My only request is you not insult my friends. If you choose to refuse this request, so be it, you only make yourself look more petty.
Good day.
Cassius Gaius Maximius
Date: 09 Oct 2000 00:35:46 EDT
" Read your own words, Cas. You said "I didn't read it at the time, as well
I should have." Seems to me you are saying I should have read it as a
subliminal message."
This is the only point I'm responding to. By should have, I meant that you "should have" not looked at joke letters as a threat. My apologies for assuming you had the basic intelligence to determine such.
Var, have fun slinging mud by yourself, you're not going to accomplish anything. Have as much fun as you want, in the end, we are still going to be dueling for the ring. I know my reasons, I've given them plainly, that's that. My only request is you not insult my friends. If you choose to refuse this request, so be it, you only make yourself look more petty.
Good day.
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 09 Oct 2000 01:16:28 EDT
Gaius Cassius Maximus,
Indeed thou hast stated yuir reasons plainly. Thee hold that prankish challenges for title are proper, thee hold that seeking out challengers to unseat thine dear friends ist proper.
Thee hold that insulting a seated Baron ast to his behavior is proper, of course, most conveniently forgetting that yuir own behavior both ast a former Baron and ast one holding the rank of warlord ist much that of a complete and utter dolt who bravely hopes that he shall be seen ast something other than the sniveling, whining, bleating, beslubbering, baboon that he ist.
Slither under thine rock, roman, for tis yuirself what clearly be lacking in both intelligence and in intestinal fortitude. Thou hast nae e'en the wit to answer the Baron's queries, but seek only to slide thine mangy hide into some dark corner. Apropos, one canst only bear the stench of the fear which permeates thee for a short measure.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 09 Oct 2000 01:16:28 EDT
Gaius Cassius Maximus,
Indeed thou hast stated yuir reasons plainly. Thee hold that prankish challenges for title are proper, thee hold that seeking out challengers to unseat thine dear friends ist proper.
Thee hold that insulting a seated Baron ast to his behavior is proper, of course, most conveniently forgetting that yuir own behavior both ast a former Baron and ast one holding the rank of warlord ist much that of a complete and utter dolt who bravely hopes that he shall be seen ast something other than the sniveling, whining, bleating, beslubbering, baboon that he ist.
Slither under thine rock, roman, for tis yuirself what clearly be lacking in both intelligence and in intestinal fortitude. Thou hast nae e'en the wit to answer the Baron's queries, but seek only to slide thine mangy hide into some dark corner. Apropos, one canst only bear the stench of the fear which permeates thee for a short measure.
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 09 Oct 2000 01:33:42 EDT
I'll be challenging Lucian whenever I feel like it.
It's nice being a Baron. Pass the coffee and cream this way, Jona.
~ Derek
Date: 09 Oct 2000 01:33:42 EDT
I'll be challenging Lucian whenever I feel like it.
It's nice being a Baron. Pass the coffee and cream this way, Jona.
~ Derek
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 09 Oct 2000 01:51:30 EDT
Derek,
Methin's thee shouldst perhaps hae ta roman ta fetch an' carry fer thee. Tis ta roman hae a penchant fer grovelin' an' servitude and wouldst suit thee quite well.
Helpfully,
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 09 Oct 2000 01:51:30 EDT
Derek,
Methin's thee shouldst perhaps hae ta roman ta fetch an' carry fer thee. Tis ta roman hae a penchant fer grovelin' an' servitude and wouldst suit thee quite well.
Helpfully,
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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 09 Oct 2000 02:04:13 EDT
((Author's note: The post below is not Var writing the same thing again ;) It is being reposted by myself so it's easier for you to distinguish who said what, considering the mix-up of italics on my behalf.))
" Other duties occupied my time, such as the forming and registering of Mercenarii. I do apologize for this, the serious sin of having a busy schedule."
So serious you had the time to write a letter to me, and, according to my messenger boy, a copy to the entire baron's council, not to mention duel?
" " So I'm a bad person for having sent prank challenge letters to you back when we were good friends? Those were jokes, Var... J-O-K-E-S. Some well-intended jovial fun with people who were my friends that happened to be Barons. Funny, you didn't see them as a subliminal message at the time, as well you should have. The same practical joke was played on Marius, for the gods's sake! Think I really wanted to challenge him too deep down, Var? If
you
see a mock challenge notice to a friend on the Council as a serious offense, then maybe you put too much value on your ring, Var. "
I feel like I'm explaining something to an addled child here. I sent joke challenge letters to friends of mine who were Barons at the time, and in return, they sent such joke letters to me when I was a Baron. Never thought I'd see the day when I'd get mud slinged at me for having fun with friends. That is what I considered Var at the time: A friend."
Read your own words, Cas. You said "I didn't read it at the time, as well I should have." Seems to me you are saying I should have read it as a subliminal message.
"Why are you so against challenges Var? Do you think we should let you have the Tenth unopposed til the day you die? I'm beginning to think the answer is yes."
I don't mind challenges as long as there isn't a load of crap behind them like you tossed out. I didn't give Damien a hard time, for example, because at least he didn't toss in extra junk. He said why, and he didn't treat me or the baron's council as idiots by saying another reason.
"Hey Var, if you're so confident I'm a bad guy and this will prove it, why do you not qoute me in my entirety? Again, here we go...
"First off, I don't remember saying this. But it's quite probable I did, and I'll tell you why: Avery wanted challenges himself. He had two challenges in six months, and, as I'm sure you know, his nature was/is that of a competitor. I can want to see a friend in a challenge match without wanting to see them lose, Var, try getting acquainted to that concept. Example: I wanted to see Daelin challenge Del, and I was encouraging of it. Doesn't
mean
I wanted to see Del humiliate him. In fact, the exact opposite.
By the way, Var, if I really wanted to see Avery lose his crown, why didn't I challenge him back in December when I won the right to? I expect the "You were scared" auto-response, even though, as a WLT prizewinner who could have still challenged that cycle, I certainly had nothing to lose. But that would require usage of logic, wouldn't it?"
Oh yeah. I do want to state that with all that said, I did not approach Leonardo de Lorenzo and try to convince him to challenge Avery. I'm fairly convinced the scenario you described did happen, even though I do not remember it, in which case what most likely happened was Leo told me in conversation of his plans to challenge Avery-this in relation to the fact that I, the last WLT prizewinner, did not, "disloyal" to Avery as I was and all...and I
merely echoed the sentiment that it was good for the Overlord to recieve challenge. Doesn't mean I wanted to see Avery lose. It meant I wanted to see Avery's legend grow. I know this much: I did not seek out anyone to convince them to challenge Avery, and in the possible instance of that encounter, it was a conversation with a man already convinced to challenge, and a sentiment to see the Overlord do what he loved/loves to do.
Var, all you're proving to me is just how you do view titled ranks. And really, as far as disloyalty to Avery, while I never mentioned that in my challenge specifically, that's one area where you should watch your step."
I initially didn't want to quote you entirely because of your rant and the answers should be fairly obvious. Why not challenge Avery yourself back in December? You don't like disapproval, Cas. You sure as hell would have received a lot of it.
It still amuses me how you continue to deny remembering the discussion with Leo. After all, you said to me in our private discussion it was my word against yours.
Now tell me, Cas. How DO I view titled ranks? I'm quite sure you know better. After all, I have always been so indignant in my responses to challenges. It's not like you were the only one.
Regarding the Avery issue, I don't need you to tell me where to watch my step. I pretty much expect people to bring that up.
" The individual in question was predicting my sure defeat, and by qouting my record against you-by the by, I never actually named numbers or instances-I stated I felt differently. "
So why do you want to test your skill against me if you're sure you'll beat me, and you mentioned your record against me as a back-up? Sounds like you consider me an easy win... how can you test your skill against such an easy opponent as me?
" In other words, this is the first time I've challenged a Baron who has whined, kicked and screamed so much upon the news. I don't know why you think it's so important to try and drag me through the mud; I'm more than able to answer what you claim, and it's not going to solve anything. I'm not rescinding challenge, if that's your deep secret hope."
Should I write a letter to Ian, G, or one of your other friends to help you remove your head from your own backside? Or can you ask them yourself?
Why drag you through the mud? Because Jesse once told me sarcastically how I was the master of the obvious. I pride myself in pointing what a chump you are, because you're bound to respond.
Regarding posting my own response, I pretty much spoke for myself in the post. Get one of your mercs to tack up a copy.
Also, it seems more fun not to do it, merely because you're trying to bait me with posting it. You're just one of those twits whom I won't oblige. It's a pride issue. I'm sure the public understands. If not, oh well.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
Date: 09 Oct 2000 02:04:13 EDT
((Author's note: The post below is not Var writing the same thing again ;) It is being reposted by myself so it's easier for you to distinguish who said what, considering the mix-up of italics on my behalf.))
" Other duties occupied my time, such as the forming and registering of Mercenarii. I do apologize for this, the serious sin of having a busy schedule."
So serious you had the time to write a letter to me, and, according to my messenger boy, a copy to the entire baron's council, not to mention duel?
" " So I'm a bad person for having sent prank challenge letters to you back when we were good friends? Those were jokes, Var... J-O-K-E-S. Some well-intended jovial fun with people who were my friends that happened to be Barons. Funny, you didn't see them as a subliminal message at the time, as well you should have. The same practical joke was played on Marius, for the gods's sake! Think I really wanted to challenge him too deep down, Var? If
you
see a mock challenge notice to a friend on the Council as a serious offense, then maybe you put too much value on your ring, Var. "
I feel like I'm explaining something to an addled child here. I sent joke challenge letters to friends of mine who were Barons at the time, and in return, they sent such joke letters to me when I was a Baron. Never thought I'd see the day when I'd get mud slinged at me for having fun with friends. That is what I considered Var at the time: A friend."
Read your own words, Cas. You said "I didn't read it at the time, as well I should have." Seems to me you are saying I should have read it as a subliminal message.
"Why are you so against challenges Var? Do you think we should let you have the Tenth unopposed til the day you die? I'm beginning to think the answer is yes."
I don't mind challenges as long as there isn't a load of crap behind them like you tossed out. I didn't give Damien a hard time, for example, because at least he didn't toss in extra junk. He said why, and he didn't treat me or the baron's council as idiots by saying another reason.
"Hey Var, if you're so confident I'm a bad guy and this will prove it, why do you not qoute me in my entirety? Again, here we go...
"First off, I don't remember saying this. But it's quite probable I did, and I'll tell you why: Avery wanted challenges himself. He had two challenges in six months, and, as I'm sure you know, his nature was/is that of a competitor. I can want to see a friend in a challenge match without wanting to see them lose, Var, try getting acquainted to that concept. Example: I wanted to see Daelin challenge Del, and I was encouraging of it. Doesn't
mean
I wanted to see Del humiliate him. In fact, the exact opposite.
By the way, Var, if I really wanted to see Avery lose his crown, why didn't I challenge him back in December when I won the right to? I expect the "You were scared" auto-response, even though, as a WLT prizewinner who could have still challenged that cycle, I certainly had nothing to lose. But that would require usage of logic, wouldn't it?"
Oh yeah. I do want to state that with all that said, I did not approach Leonardo de Lorenzo and try to convince him to challenge Avery. I'm fairly convinced the scenario you described did happen, even though I do not remember it, in which case what most likely happened was Leo told me in conversation of his plans to challenge Avery-this in relation to the fact that I, the last WLT prizewinner, did not, "disloyal" to Avery as I was and all...and I
merely echoed the sentiment that it was good for the Overlord to recieve challenge. Doesn't mean I wanted to see Avery lose. It meant I wanted to see Avery's legend grow. I know this much: I did not seek out anyone to convince them to challenge Avery, and in the possible instance of that encounter, it was a conversation with a man already convinced to challenge, and a sentiment to see the Overlord do what he loved/loves to do.
Var, all you're proving to me is just how you do view titled ranks. And really, as far as disloyalty to Avery, while I never mentioned that in my challenge specifically, that's one area where you should watch your step."
I initially didn't want to quote you entirely because of your rant and the answers should be fairly obvious. Why not challenge Avery yourself back in December? You don't like disapproval, Cas. You sure as hell would have received a lot of it.
It still amuses me how you continue to deny remembering the discussion with Leo. After all, you said to me in our private discussion it was my word against yours.
Now tell me, Cas. How DO I view titled ranks? I'm quite sure you know better. After all, I have always been so indignant in my responses to challenges. It's not like you were the only one.
Regarding the Avery issue, I don't need you to tell me where to watch my step. I pretty much expect people to bring that up.
" The individual in question was predicting my sure defeat, and by qouting my record against you-by the by, I never actually named numbers or instances-I stated I felt differently. "
So why do you want to test your skill against me if you're sure you'll beat me, and you mentioned your record against me as a back-up? Sounds like you consider me an easy win... how can you test your skill against such an easy opponent as me?
" In other words, this is the first time I've challenged a Baron who has whined, kicked and screamed so much upon the news. I don't know why you think it's so important to try and drag me through the mud; I'm more than able to answer what you claim, and it's not going to solve anything. I'm not rescinding challenge, if that's your deep secret hope."
Should I write a letter to Ian, G, or one of your other friends to help you remove your head from your own backside? Or can you ask them yourself?
Why drag you through the mud? Because Jesse once told me sarcastically how I was the master of the obvious. I pride myself in pointing what a chump you are, because you're bound to respond.
Regarding posting my own response, I pretty much spoke for myself in the post. Get one of your mercs to tack up a copy.
Also, it seems more fun not to do it, merely because you're trying to bait me with posting it. You're just one of those twits whom I won't oblige. It's a pride issue. I'm sure the public understands. If not, oh well.
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From: xvevan@aol.com (XvEvan)
Date: 09 Oct 2000 05:37:26 EDT
Var:
Take the challenge head on and shut up. No matter how much you bitch about why he challenged you, he did and there is nothing you can do about it. The challenge will take place.
Cas:
I would not bother with the boards for a while and let Var have his fun ranting over nothing. You are making the future by challenging him and he has no place to go unless he just does not show. So why bother with this "mud"? Let Var play in it.
-Evan Rush Rynth
Date: 09 Oct 2000 05:37:26 EDT
Var:
Take the challenge head on and shut up. No matter how much you bitch about why he challenged you, he did and there is nothing you can do about it. The challenge will take place.
Cas:
I would not bother with the boards for a while and let Var have his fun ranting over nothing. You are making the future by challenging him and he has no place to go unless he just does not show. So why bother with this "mud"? Let Var play in it.
-Evan Rush Rynth