From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 24 May 2001 12:00:39 EDT
As one who has more than once been called a hypocrite himself, with varying degrees of accuracy, I feel a need to point out some of the double standards being turned against M'mselle Wilder. She is criticized for not being active enough while holding a ring. Well, this is something wroth criticizing an individual for. Except that those who are criticizing her
entirely failed to comment on Jeff Oakenshield's continued holding of a ring while long absent from the Rings themselves. Yes, I did not criticize him either, but neither has anyone seen me criticizing M'mselle Wilder, thus I feel qualified to point this out.
Jeffery Oakenshield was, of course, a legend. This is all well and good. Never the less, until the recent forfeiture of his ring, he had held it for quite some time without either a duel in the Arena or defense of the title. Issues of respect, fear of defeat, and the like do of course come into question. However, Mmselle. Wilder has defended her ring in the face of serious challenges and she has born with remarkable fortitude the criticisms of those
who object to her personally.
If someone truly objects to Mmselle Wilder as a person, they have every right to say so. However, using the excuse of her manner of writing or her lack of activity is far less honest than simply stating that you dislike her personally. However, I would also ask those of you who might claim to dislike her personally whether you know her personally. If you do not, you might wish to reassess your judgements until you do.
If you truly want her to be more active, give her a reason to be more active. Encourage her cheerfully to take part when she can, rather than bitterly singling her out for attack because she does not. The attempt to push her into resigning her ring was rather unworthy of those who took part, almost all of whom are better than that. Ellisa and Var are certainly better than some of the statement I have seen them address to her on this cork.
Of course, many of us are not exactly showing our best sides on the cork. This includes, at times, myself. I think we should all work a little harder on making our personal grudges personal, our public concerns public, and carefully discerning between the two before we post.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
Results of the Seventh
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 24 May 2001 13:44:36 EDT
Unless I missed a tack or two, I believe I'm the only one in this stack of posts who has addressed Karen's activity. If, Percy, you are referring to other posts during other subjects, then I'll accept it as a misunderstanding; however, until clarification, I'll assume the comments were to me.
Simply put, why am I supposed to give her a reason to take an active role in the community? Shouldn't she have accepted that responsibility when she took the ring? We're not talking about some newcomer who is afraid of stepping in the Arena again because the grumpy old people said something mean. We're talking about someone who holds a ring; we're not supposed to give them a reason to stay. As a leader, as a representative, they should have
the mental fortitude to give themself motivation. If we need to give her a reason to stay... that is, if she doesn't have her own reasons to take part in this community, she shouldn't have accepted a responsibility that calls upon that.
There's so much talk about how the value of the ring has gone down, how acquiring the title means nothing. You think it's because so many people have acquired a ring? No. It's because we have so many people who have acquired a ring and have failed to live up to the responsibility of representing the best in the Duel of Swords. As far as I'm concerned, Karen's squandering her chance. If you wish to compare her to Jeff... despite the differences
I had with Jeff, he knew what being a baron was about.
Now while I know Ellisa can handle herself quite well, and I've already gone on a rant, I'll close it off with this. I don't think Ellisa was criticizing Karen's writing ability. She seems to be pointing out that Karen claimed she had trouble writing, which is why she needed a scribe a while back, when she herself seems to word herself quite well.
"Elijah:
Father Dominic is a friend to me. He writes many o' the missives I need to post because o' my own trouble with writing."
(Note: this was a little over a month ago)
The point is, I don't think Ellisa is a small person who would criticize someone simply because their writing capabilities aren't as refined as others.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
Date: 24 May 2001 13:44:36 EDT
Unless I missed a tack or two, I believe I'm the only one in this stack of posts who has addressed Karen's activity. If, Percy, you are referring to other posts during other subjects, then I'll accept it as a misunderstanding; however, until clarification, I'll assume the comments were to me.
Simply put, why am I supposed to give her a reason to take an active role in the community? Shouldn't she have accepted that responsibility when she took the ring? We're not talking about some newcomer who is afraid of stepping in the Arena again because the grumpy old people said something mean. We're talking about someone who holds a ring; we're not supposed to give them a reason to stay. As a leader, as a representative, they should have
the mental fortitude to give themself motivation. If we need to give her a reason to stay... that is, if she doesn't have her own reasons to take part in this community, she shouldn't have accepted a responsibility that calls upon that.
There's so much talk about how the value of the ring has gone down, how acquiring the title means nothing. You think it's because so many people have acquired a ring? No. It's because we have so many people who have acquired a ring and have failed to live up to the responsibility of representing the best in the Duel of Swords. As far as I'm concerned, Karen's squandering her chance. If you wish to compare her to Jeff... despite the differences
I had with Jeff, he knew what being a baron was about.
Now while I know Ellisa can handle herself quite well, and I've already gone on a rant, I'll close it off with this. I don't think Ellisa was criticizing Karen's writing ability. She seems to be pointing out that Karen claimed she had trouble writing, which is why she needed a scribe a while back, when she herself seems to word herself quite well.
"Elijah:
Father Dominic is a friend to me. He writes many o' the missives I need to post because o' my own trouble with writing."
(Note: this was a little over a month ago)
The point is, I don't think Ellisa is a small person who would criticize someone simply because their writing capabilities aren't as refined as others.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 24 May 2001 14:13:55 EDT
>Simply put, why am I supposed to give her a reason to take an active role in
>the community?
I am not saying that it is your responsibility to give her a reason to take an active role in the community. I am saying that, if you truly wish someone to assume such a role, the carrot might work better than the stick. Far too many people these days, myself included, seem to have become far less patient and far more caustic. I truly believe this is something we all need to work on. Something we all need to work very hard on, in fact. I am not
saying that everyone should be friends with everyone. I am saying that we should be more careful about what we say on the board and why we say it. Particularly when it comes to the direct criticism of another individual. Are we trying to be contructive or are we merely being caustic? Perhaps we should decide whether we truly have the best interests of the community in mind or whether we only wish to attack someone for making different choices than
those we have made ourselves.
The decision to take an active role in the community, is one that is made personally for a great many reasons. If she truly does not have the time to take an active role, but is still able to defend her ring, then she may be doing what she thinks best by her lights. There is certainly no reason for us to attack someone for following their convictions unless they are somehow not hurting us. If she truly wishes to be involved, this will be proved
should her duties lighten I am sure. If she truly does not wish to be involved, then eventually someone will take her ring and we will never see her again. Either way, the situation will be resolved without the need for any sort of public attack.
"No. It's because we have so many people who have acquired a ring and have failed to live up to the responsibility of representing the best in the Duel of Swords. As far as I'm concerned, Karen's squandering her chance. If you wish to compare her to Jeff... despite the differencesI had with Jeff, he knew what being a baron was about."
What makes you say Karen does not know what being a Baron is all about? Because she is not dueling every night? With the exception of challenges, Jeff was largely absentee himself. If he dueled twice a cycle while a Baron, I was shocked. He was generally more active when not a Baron, to get his peer wins, but he was very nearly an absentee Baron himself. He was entirely absentee for a long period until his ring was forfeited. Karen has defended her
ring every time, herself. That is, after all, the primary responsiblity of a Baron. To defend the ring.
There is also the responsibility of a member of the community, of course, and some might argue that Karen has not fulfilled her responsibilties as a member of the community. However, this is not the same as her responsibilities as a Baron. Many of those who are generally believed to be shining examples of 'responsibility to the community' are individuals whom I wish were far less active, for the good of the community.
Do I think Karen could do more? Yes.
Do I think people should keep hounding her without end? No.
I think there are far worse examples among the current titleholders, and I think that many of us should be giving our attention to them rather than to Karen.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
Date: 24 May 2001 14:13:55 EDT
>Simply put, why am I supposed to give her a reason to take an active role in
>the community?
I am not saying that it is your responsibility to give her a reason to take an active role in the community. I am saying that, if you truly wish someone to assume such a role, the carrot might work better than the stick. Far too many people these days, myself included, seem to have become far less patient and far more caustic. I truly believe this is something we all need to work on. Something we all need to work very hard on, in fact. I am not
saying that everyone should be friends with everyone. I am saying that we should be more careful about what we say on the board and why we say it. Particularly when it comes to the direct criticism of another individual. Are we trying to be contructive or are we merely being caustic? Perhaps we should decide whether we truly have the best interests of the community in mind or whether we only wish to attack someone for making different choices than
those we have made ourselves.
The decision to take an active role in the community, is one that is made personally for a great many reasons. If she truly does not have the time to take an active role, but is still able to defend her ring, then she may be doing what she thinks best by her lights. There is certainly no reason for us to attack someone for following their convictions unless they are somehow not hurting us. If she truly wishes to be involved, this will be proved
should her duties lighten I am sure. If she truly does not wish to be involved, then eventually someone will take her ring and we will never see her again. Either way, the situation will be resolved without the need for any sort of public attack.
"No. It's because we have so many people who have acquired a ring and have failed to live up to the responsibility of representing the best in the Duel of Swords. As far as I'm concerned, Karen's squandering her chance. If you wish to compare her to Jeff... despite the differencesI had with Jeff, he knew what being a baron was about."
What makes you say Karen does not know what being a Baron is all about? Because she is not dueling every night? With the exception of challenges, Jeff was largely absentee himself. If he dueled twice a cycle while a Baron, I was shocked. He was generally more active when not a Baron, to get his peer wins, but he was very nearly an absentee Baron himself. He was entirely absentee for a long period until his ring was forfeited. Karen has defended her
ring every time, herself. That is, after all, the primary responsiblity of a Baron. To defend the ring.
There is also the responsibility of a member of the community, of course, and some might argue that Karen has not fulfilled her responsibilties as a member of the community. However, this is not the same as her responsibilities as a Baron. Many of those who are generally believed to be shining examples of 'responsibility to the community' are individuals whom I wish were far less active, for the good of the community.
Do I think Karen could do more? Yes.
Do I think people should keep hounding her without end? No.
I think there are far worse examples among the current titleholders, and I think that many of us should be giving our attention to them rather than to Karen.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 24 May 2001 18:02:22 EDT
"What makes you say Karen does not know what being a Baron is all about?"
What has she said or done that tells me she does? See, Percy, I can admire seeing a young duelist go after the title, because that shows life and intent with the rings. They may not know much about challenging, but that's when they learn the process. You can give people knowledge, while it's up to them whether or not it processes. However, you can't give someone life or passion to hold something that (used to, at least) represent something
great. They have to get that within themselves; Karen doesn't strike me as one with passion for holding something great. Admittedly, I don't think she should have that passion, mainly because I don't think she should hold onto the ring in the first place, given her duties.
The point is, she strives to glorify herself, from what little I've heard her say and from what I have read. Holding a ring isn't about making yourself look great, but it's about being a part of something great, and representing the community where great duelists have dueled. Maybe I'm just getting a little too serious lately, but it's very sad; it's not bad enough where we have people who don't see a point in going after a ring, but we have people
who don't see a point in representing what was once a great sport.
I'm sorry that you feel the primary responsibility of a baron is to defend the ring. I admit it's important, but you're only called to defend the ring once every couple of months anymore. I don't think you should hold a title if you can't fulfill that annual obligation, but that's not what being a baron is about - at least it's not to me.
I once thought that being a baron was to show everyone "Hey, look what I won!" My first challenge to Daegarth, I sent a copy of the letter to a bunch of my friends but didn't include the standings keeper, so I understand how it feels to think that holding the ring makes something of you. It doesn't. I learned that when I realized I was so wound up in showing my friends what I planned to win, I failed to show responsibility to the sport and the
rules governing it.
The point is, I don't think she knows what being a Baron is about. The first sign that she would know what being a baron is about is her not complaining about how "another attack is directed at her." Again, I see no signs that she knows or cares to know about what being a Baron is all about. If you have seen anything, by all means.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
Date: 24 May 2001 18:02:22 EDT
"What makes you say Karen does not know what being a Baron is all about?"
What has she said or done that tells me she does? See, Percy, I can admire seeing a young duelist go after the title, because that shows life and intent with the rings. They may not know much about challenging, but that's when they learn the process. You can give people knowledge, while it's up to them whether or not it processes. However, you can't give someone life or passion to hold something that (used to, at least) represent something
great. They have to get that within themselves; Karen doesn't strike me as one with passion for holding something great. Admittedly, I don't think she should have that passion, mainly because I don't think she should hold onto the ring in the first place, given her duties.
The point is, she strives to glorify herself, from what little I've heard her say and from what I have read. Holding a ring isn't about making yourself look great, but it's about being a part of something great, and representing the community where great duelists have dueled. Maybe I'm just getting a little too serious lately, but it's very sad; it's not bad enough where we have people who don't see a point in going after a ring, but we have people
who don't see a point in representing what was once a great sport.
I'm sorry that you feel the primary responsibility of a baron is to defend the ring. I admit it's important, but you're only called to defend the ring once every couple of months anymore. I don't think you should hold a title if you can't fulfill that annual obligation, but that's not what being a baron is about - at least it's not to me.
I once thought that being a baron was to show everyone "Hey, look what I won!" My first challenge to Daegarth, I sent a copy of the letter to a bunch of my friends but didn't include the standings keeper, so I understand how it feels to think that holding the ring makes something of you. It doesn't. I learned that when I realized I was so wound up in showing my friends what I planned to win, I failed to show responsibility to the sport and the
rules governing it.
The point is, I don't think she knows what being a Baron is about. The first sign that she would know what being a baron is about is her not complaining about how "another attack is directed at her." Again, I see no signs that she knows or cares to know about what being a Baron is all about. If you have seen anything, by all means.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 24 May 2001 19:23:17 EDT
>The first sign that she would know what being a baron is about is her not
>complaining about how "another attack is directed at her."
I am sorry, Var, but if people were jumping on me the way they are jumping on Karen, I would be complaining about it too. Moreover, I would be hitting back a lot harder than she is. I think one should admire her self-restraint under the circumstances.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
Date: 24 May 2001 19:23:17 EDT
>The first sign that she would know what being a baron is about is her not
>complaining about how "another attack is directed at her."
I am sorry, Var, but if people were jumping on me the way they are jumping on Karen, I would be complaining about it too. Moreover, I would be hitting back a lot harder than she is. I think one should admire her self-restraint under the circumstances.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: karenwilder@aol.com (Karen Wilder)
Date: 24 May 2001 22:49:51 EDT
::She takes a moment to control her temper, something that's become easier to do as the days go by, then carefully pens a small note.::
Medici-Giovanni.
Perhaps you have failed to take note. I refer to myself, and ask the officials to refer to me, as the Holder of the Fourth Ring.
The title of Baron be not one I accept, because I know that I do nae have the time that some others in the past have devoted to the Sport. For me to claim to be their equal would be wrong, so I do not.
I received the Fourth Ring by dint of my skill. I continue to hold the Fourth Ring by dint of my skill. It goes against the grain, against my teachings and against what I see as the traditions of this place to retire a Ring while I can still devote enough time to duel and to defend it.
Lady Karen Wilder
Knight Templar
Holder of the Fourth Ring.
Date: 24 May 2001 22:49:51 EDT
::She takes a moment to control her temper, something that's become easier to do as the days go by, then carefully pens a small note.::
Medici-Giovanni.
Perhaps you have failed to take note. I refer to myself, and ask the officials to refer to me, as the Holder of the Fourth Ring.
The title of Baron be not one I accept, because I know that I do nae have the time that some others in the past have devoted to the Sport. For me to claim to be their equal would be wrong, so I do not.
I received the Fourth Ring by dint of my skill. I continue to hold the Fourth Ring by dint of my skill. It goes against the grain, against my teachings and against what I see as the traditions of this place to retire a Ring while I can still devote enough time to duel and to defend it.
Lady Karen Wilder
Knight Templar
Holder of the Fourth Ring.
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: queenluthien@aol.com (Queen Luthien)
Date: 25 May 2001 11:24:52 EDT
Interesting argument Karen.
A ring is a ring of course whether it be worn on a finger or danced in with a blade. Right?
Not so. The 4th ring just so happens to be a Baron's ring and accepting it elevates one to the rank and status, not to forget privilages, of the "Baron". Your claims as a mere "holder" of said ring, but denouncing the title theregiven absolutely degrade the tradition and disappoint I'd guess every former Baron of the 4th.
You are a Baron, as the community sees things. And if they don't consider you a Baron and afford you the respect earned, then we suffer as a whole for our sport is historically traditional.
"Holding" a Baron's ring implies something close to... "keeping it warm" for the next Warlord that claims it.
Karen, I respect you as a duelest, and a Baron. You are the only one I have dueled since my return and you trounced me quite thouroughly. But I implore you--- embrace the history and traditions of the DoS and accept the fact that you are, and deserve to be known as a Baron(ess). It is not an honor to be disposed of, and nay, cannot be tossed behind you as long as you ''hold'' the 4th.
I am,
Queen Luthien Tinuviel
Nightingale--Daughter of Twilight
New Mountainside, RhyDin
Date: 25 May 2001 11:24:52 EDT
Interesting argument Karen.
A ring is a ring of course whether it be worn on a finger or danced in with a blade. Right?
Not so. The 4th ring just so happens to be a Baron's ring and accepting it elevates one to the rank and status, not to forget privilages, of the "Baron". Your claims as a mere "holder" of said ring, but denouncing the title theregiven absolutely degrade the tradition and disappoint I'd guess every former Baron of the 4th.
You are a Baron, as the community sees things. And if they don't consider you a Baron and afford you the respect earned, then we suffer as a whole for our sport is historically traditional.
"Holding" a Baron's ring implies something close to... "keeping it warm" for the next Warlord that claims it.
Karen, I respect you as a duelest, and a Baron. You are the only one I have dueled since my return and you trounced me quite thouroughly. But I implore you--- embrace the history and traditions of the DoS and accept the fact that you are, and deserve to be known as a Baron(ess). It is not an honor to be disposed of, and nay, cannot be tossed behind you as long as you ''hold'' the 4th.
I am,
Queen Luthien Tinuviel
Nightingale--Daughter of Twilight
New Mountainside, RhyDin
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: charliejericho@aol.com (Charlie Jericho)
Date: 25 May 2001 14:18:50 EDT
Wow, Karen. I never thought about it like that before.
Let me see if I've got this straight. Since you have the skill to defend the ring, you believe you should hold onto it and you like the glory it brings your little organization. However, you don't consider yourself a baron because you don't have the time to devote to the sport. That sum it up?
I was thinking about having a kid. I have the ability to give birth and it would be cool to dress it up in cute outfits and play with it. However, I don't think I want to be bothered with diaper changing and, you know, breast feeding really doesn't sound like a fun thing.
So, according to your logic, I can go ahead and have my kid but if I don't want to spend the time on it, I just won't call myself a "mother". I'll be the holder of the daughter or son of Ezra and Charlotte Jericho.
This line of thought leaves the door open to all kinds of interesting possibilities.
Charlie
Date: 25 May 2001 14:18:50 EDT
Wow, Karen. I never thought about it like that before.
Let me see if I've got this straight. Since you have the skill to defend the ring, you believe you should hold onto it and you like the glory it brings your little organization. However, you don't consider yourself a baron because you don't have the time to devote to the sport. That sum it up?
I was thinking about having a kid. I have the ability to give birth and it would be cool to dress it up in cute outfits and play with it. However, I don't think I want to be bothered with diaper changing and, you know, breast feeding really doesn't sound like a fun thing.
So, according to your logic, I can go ahead and have my kid but if I don't want to spend the time on it, I just won't call myself a "mother". I'll be the holder of the daughter or son of Ezra and Charlotte Jericho.
This line of thought leaves the door open to all kinds of interesting possibilities.
Charlie
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 04 Jun 2001 13:26:16 EDT
> The Overlord used his position to try to gain a bit of petty vengence on
>someone.
>
> That's why I stopped him.
>
Gentles,
How verra interesting. The duels now hae some twit deciding morality. Fie, what ignorance abounds, yet somehow, nae surprising. What a marvelous if sad joke upon this once grand sport ist bein' perpetrated.
JNS
Date: 04 Jun 2001 13:26:16 EDT
> The Overlord used his position to try to gain a bit of petty vengence on
>someone.
>
> That's why I stopped him.
>
Gentles,
How verra interesting. The duels now hae some twit deciding morality. Fie, what ignorance abounds, yet somehow, nae surprising. What a marvelous if sad joke upon this once grand sport ist bein' perpetrated.
JNS
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 04 Jun 2001 13:40:53 EDT
Gentles,
Methinks the only encouragement which shouldst be given the one styling herself ast Lady Karen Wilder, ist the encouragement to seek a contemplative life within her Order and remove her whining, sniveling, self from the basement.
For one who bears the Fourth Ring, a ring which wast one of the Original Nine to behave ast a whimpering, pitiable wench, brings nae Honor upon either the Ring or this ancient sport. May you all be spared her ideals of morality and Honor.
JNS
Date: 04 Jun 2001 13:40:53 EDT
Gentles,
Methinks the only encouragement which shouldst be given the one styling herself ast Lady Karen Wilder, ist the encouragement to seek a contemplative life within her Order and remove her whining, sniveling, self from the basement.
For one who bears the Fourth Ring, a ring which wast one of the Original Nine to behave ast a whimpering, pitiable wench, brings nae Honor upon either the Ring or this ancient sport. May you all be spared her ideals of morality and Honor.
JNS
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 04 Jun 2001 17:22:19 EDT
>How verra interesting. The duels now hae some twit deciding morality.
I don't know, Jonalyn, most likely someone was following your example. If they were wrong, why, they were following your example even better than you could have hoped for.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
Date: 04 Jun 2001 17:22:19 EDT
>How verra interesting. The duels now hae some twit deciding morality.
I don't know, Jonalyn, most likely someone was following your example. If they were wrong, why, they were following your example even better than you could have hoped for.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 04 Jun 2001 23:22:39 EDT
Percy Poo
Just be grateful and thank all the gods that t'was nae yuir example that annaone chose ta follow. Tis truly one wouldst needs must search far and wide to discover a more laughable buffoon ast be thee.
JNS
Date: 04 Jun 2001 23:22:39 EDT
Percy Poo
Just be grateful and thank all the gods that t'was nae yuir example that annaone chose ta follow. Tis truly one wouldst needs must search far and wide to discover a more laughable buffoon ast be thee.
JNS
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: karenwilder@aol.com (Karen Wilder)
Date: 06 Jun 2001 22:32:55 EDT
While ye are wide, ye are not yet far Jonalyn... Could ye fix that for us?
Date: 06 Jun 2001 22:32:55 EDT
While ye are wide, ye are not yet far Jonalyn... Could ye fix that for us?
-
DoS Archive
- Archivist
- Posts: 30701
- Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 am
From: karenwilder@aol.com (Karen Wilder)
Date: 17 Jun 2001 17:02:33 EDT
Yer Majesty,
I have thought long about yer words and with recent events have found much import to them.
I have fulfilled the duties of a member of the Council, and upon one occasion used one of the privilages afforded to a Renegade Baron.
Given that I forsee the need to use these privilages again, I realize that I cannae longer consider myself just a Holder of the Ring.
I thank ye for your words and the wisdom behind them.
Lady Karen Wilder
Knight Templar
Renegade Baron of the Fourth.
Date: 17 Jun 2001 17:02:33 EDT
Yer Majesty,
I have thought long about yer words and with recent events have found much import to them.
I have fulfilled the duties of a member of the Council, and upon one occasion used one of the privilages afforded to a Renegade Baron.
Given that I forsee the need to use these privilages again, I realize that I cannae longer consider myself just a Holder of the Ring.
I thank ye for your words and the wisdom behind them.
Lady Karen Wilder
Knight Templar
Renegade Baron of the Fourth.