Date: 1/2/1999 4:49 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Bane0fEvil
After a long night of dueling, and other things, Bane makes his way to the boards to read up on information which he may have missed. After reading the posts which are so graciously placed upon the boards, he decides that he will post his own little missive.Okay, first off, you all have already written this quite a few times, but I believe I should restate it, for you seem to have forgotten it already. This is not the Arena. I have been in Rhydin for a while, and I don't remember seeing any series of posts upon the boards of the Fists in which individuals are disagreeing so much. These types of posts do not belong here on these boards, nor anyof the other public boards. Perhaps you should take these matters up privately. It might sound strange to you, but it seems like a fine idea to myself.I believe that this series of missives were brought up by the newcomer who has assumed that no one around the Outback opts to help out someone who is new. This is an incorrect assumption in my eyes and I would bet it is in the eyes of many others. The Outback seems to be the same now as it was when I first came. The people here are still very nice and helpful.This individual, Dallas, may have just came in on a night when no one was free to help. I would guess this to be a feasible proclamation. I am sure that if he came back to the Outback and tried to 'learn the ropes', he would enjoy himself. I still enjoy myself in my visits to the Outback. I would even be led to help the individual myself, for I gain pleasure in seeing the newcomers work their way up the ranks.I most certainly do not mean to insult or degrade anyone by the words that I write. I am only stating my thoughts and beliefs, not only for the pleasures of the ones who make their way to the boards to read, but that my words may have sown a seed; that someone may take into account these words. I will end this with a question. Would it be too much to ask that you find he/or she who you have a disagreement with and take that up with them privatelyso that I, among others, do not have to view it upon the boards?BaneAfter signing the missive, he places it on the boards, turning and making his way toward the double doors, needed equipment in hand as he readies himself for the long trek back to his warm, cozy home.
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/2/1999 2:28 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Falablah
>I have duelled here, as I've stated before. So...what was your point again?
OK....i guess i gotta spell it out for ya Walker.....i..f..y.o.u.r..g..o..i..n.g...t.o..r.u.n..y.o.u.r..m.o.u.t.h...h.e.r.e....d.u.e.l...a.l.r.e.a.d.y
You are not on the current standings nor i have ever seen you duel here before. I trust your word in that you have in the past but your kinda streching your reason for posting here. If your gonna keep blah blah blahin I expect to see your arse in the rings in the near future otherwise your posts might as well be toilet paper for all i care. No more wastin paper for me, if you didn't get my point this time try reading it over until ya do.
~Falablah Dalegate~
~Opal, Mage,Warlord~
~Current Holder of Pathfinder~
~Resident of the Outback~
~La de de da da....whowa whowa~
From: Falablah
>I have duelled here, as I've stated before. So...what was your point again?
OK....i guess i gotta spell it out for ya Walker.....i..f..y.o.u.r..g..o..i..n.g...t.o..r.u.n..y.o.u.r..m.o.u.t.h...h.e.r.e....d.u.e.l...a.l.r.e.a.d.y
You are not on the current standings nor i have ever seen you duel here before. I trust your word in that you have in the past but your kinda streching your reason for posting here. If your gonna keep blah blah blahin I expect to see your arse in the rings in the near future otherwise your posts might as well be toilet paper for all i care. No more wastin paper for me, if you didn't get my point this time try reading it over until ya do.
~Falablah Dalegate~
~Opal, Mage,Warlord~
~Current Holder of Pathfinder~
~Resident of the Outback~
~La de de da da....whowa whowa~
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/2/1999 5:44 PM Central Daylight Time
From: LoneWolfBW
A brief sigh escaped his lips. These latest set didn't even live up to Jenkin's level of 'wit', which was a sad statement indeed. But, duty calls..
"First, to the gentleman who calls himself Jake..
>>You really deserve a medal for your efforts to make people feel like idiots.
Trust me, my boy, they do not need my help in that regard. They're doing quite well on their own. I'm simply offering them the forum to do it.
And for "Fala"
I grow weary of your insistent mis-representations, so let me clear this up for you. And if you would, please try using an original rejoinder instead of pillaging one.
The points I have made, and the facts behind them, have absolutely nothing with my personal duelling. Now, were I to offer such pithy gems as "the Outback sucks" or "none of you are as bad as you say", then my presence in the rings would not only be expected, but I would require it of myself. However, I am not saying, nor implying, such things. So, my dear little friend, I don't feel a need to compete personally in order to justify comments about
how the rest of you handle newcomers. That's your concern to deal with. If you don't like what I'm saying, ignore it or change the situation.
And for the last...Bane.
You stated that to me that I assumed no one helped this newcomer Dallas. I did not assume it, at least here on these pages, for his post remained there on this place for some time, and the only replies the assemblage has seen fit to make are to degrade me. I will allow that it's possible someone assisted him in the Outback itself, though that would be assuming. But, you do make a point I'd like to comment on, Bane.
I do not assume that "no one" helps "anyone", and perhaps I should make that clear. I am quite aware that in the past, the reputation of open-ness was quite well-deserved. In fact, upon my first visit here many years ago, I personally experienced it. However, I am commenting on what I see, now.
Perhaps this would be a good time for me to present to you all this fact. I have discovered that a gentleman either now, or formerly of your ranks has in fact offered the guidance of his Duelling Praxeum to Dallas. I believe his name is Roland, and to you all I say - THAT is what I've been talking about all along. Instead of villifying me for daring to point this out to you, perhaps you could take a page from his book.
But I have faith that you'll continue to salve your egos by attacking me, and that will do nicely.
Cordially,
Walker
From: LoneWolfBW
A brief sigh escaped his lips. These latest set didn't even live up to Jenkin's level of 'wit', which was a sad statement indeed. But, duty calls..
"First, to the gentleman who calls himself Jake..
>>You really deserve a medal for your efforts to make people feel like idiots.
Trust me, my boy, they do not need my help in that regard. They're doing quite well on their own. I'm simply offering them the forum to do it.
And for "Fala"
I grow weary of your insistent mis-representations, so let me clear this up for you. And if you would, please try using an original rejoinder instead of pillaging one.
The points I have made, and the facts behind them, have absolutely nothing with my personal duelling. Now, were I to offer such pithy gems as "the Outback sucks" or "none of you are as bad as you say", then my presence in the rings would not only be expected, but I would require it of myself. However, I am not saying, nor implying, such things. So, my dear little friend, I don't feel a need to compete personally in order to justify comments about
how the rest of you handle newcomers. That's your concern to deal with. If you don't like what I'm saying, ignore it or change the situation.
And for the last...Bane.
You stated that to me that I assumed no one helped this newcomer Dallas. I did not assume it, at least here on these pages, for his post remained there on this place for some time, and the only replies the assemblage has seen fit to make are to degrade me. I will allow that it's possible someone assisted him in the Outback itself, though that would be assuming. But, you do make a point I'd like to comment on, Bane.
I do not assume that "no one" helps "anyone", and perhaps I should make that clear. I am quite aware that in the past, the reputation of open-ness was quite well-deserved. In fact, upon my first visit here many years ago, I personally experienced it. However, I am commenting on what I see, now.
Perhaps this would be a good time for me to present to you all this fact. I have discovered that a gentleman either now, or formerly of your ranks has in fact offered the guidance of his Duelling Praxeum to Dallas. I believe his name is Roland, and to you all I say - THAT is what I've been talking about all along. Instead of villifying me for daring to point this out to you, perhaps you could take a page from his book.
But I have faith that you'll continue to salve your egos by attacking me, and that will do nicely.
Cordially,
Walker
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/2/1999 8:34 PM Central Daylight Time
From: JesseTroyn
::busts out laughing as he reads through the arguments::
You guys are a freaking riot. I've never had such a damn good laugh at a bunch of morons all getting riled up and yelling over nothing before in my entire life.
Just briefly, as somebody who came, learned, and excelled at this sport all recently, I can assure you it ain't nothin' like the arena with all the focus on rank and winning. It's about kicking somebody's butt and then having a drink with them afterwards. Anybody who says it ain't about that these days has a hidden agenda and is just trying to make people mad. Hell, I helped out some poor sucker last night. Course, I smashed his face in, but
I was more than happy to point out what he was doing wrong each time.
Anyway it doesn't even really matter if people help or not, at this point you guys are just arguing to prove you can throw the better insult at the person arguing against you. Keep it up, it's hysterical. Have a nice day, losers.
-JT
::walks away, wiping a tear from his eye as he breaks out laughing:: Where do these freaks come from....
From: JesseTroyn
::busts out laughing as he reads through the arguments::
You guys are a freaking riot. I've never had such a damn good laugh at a bunch of morons all getting riled up and yelling over nothing before in my entire life.
Just briefly, as somebody who came, learned, and excelled at this sport all recently, I can assure you it ain't nothin' like the arena with all the focus on rank and winning. It's about kicking somebody's butt and then having a drink with them afterwards. Anybody who says it ain't about that these days has a hidden agenda and is just trying to make people mad. Hell, I helped out some poor sucker last night. Course, I smashed his face in, but
I was more than happy to point out what he was doing wrong each time.
Anyway it doesn't even really matter if people help or not, at this point you guys are just arguing to prove you can throw the better insult at the person arguing against you. Keep it up, it's hysterical. Have a nice day, losers.
-JT
::walks away, wiping a tear from his eye as he breaks out laughing:: Where do these freaks come from....
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/2/1999 2:55 AM Central Daylight Time
From: LoneWolfBW
The smile grew wider. Quite the firestorm one little post can bring, he thought. Time to add some fuel to the flames.
As Sherriff Justice would say, one..ah..individual at a time.
"Harris, was it?
I'll entertain each of your points in turn.
>>You're funny, ya know that?
Yes, so I'm frequently told.
>>You waltz on over to the boards, read a post and start to criticize not just the patrons but the staff also
.
Very good for you. Though I did not waltz, I strolled. But I couldn't expect you to know the difference.
>>Deuce is Deuce. He has his own opinions.
Really now? I thought he was Kairee. My bad.
>>But have you once stepped into the Outback and brawled there? You'd then realize that it wasn't the arena as soon as you stepped foot inside.
Actually, I have. Several times over several years. I believe that takes care of that question. And if it's not too difficult for you, do re-read my original note. I did not say it was the Arena. I said it's beginning to resemble it.
>>And, do you know any of the reasons for our lack of regulars? Hmm I didn't think so.
Again, I do know some of them. Some left because they couldn't stand the stupidity. Others have permanently taken up residence in the Arena. At least another one is deceased. So, my deluded little friend, I *do* think so.
>>So before you go and critizize the Outback and its patrons at least come and see what it's like.
In case you missed it..I have seen what it's like. No need to repeat yourself again.
>>Well, that's my two cents.
And greatly devalued they were.
Cordially,
Walker.
From: LoneWolfBW
The smile grew wider. Quite the firestorm one little post can bring, he thought. Time to add some fuel to the flames.
As Sherriff Justice would say, one..ah..individual at a time.
"Harris, was it?
I'll entertain each of your points in turn.
>>You're funny, ya know that?
Yes, so I'm frequently told.
>>You waltz on over to the boards, read a post and start to criticize not just the patrons but the staff also
.
Very good for you. Though I did not waltz, I strolled. But I couldn't expect you to know the difference.
>>Deuce is Deuce. He has his own opinions.
Really now? I thought he was Kairee. My bad.
>>But have you once stepped into the Outback and brawled there? You'd then realize that it wasn't the arena as soon as you stepped foot inside.
Actually, I have. Several times over several years. I believe that takes care of that question. And if it's not too difficult for you, do re-read my original note. I did not say it was the Arena. I said it's beginning to resemble it.
>>And, do you know any of the reasons for our lack of regulars? Hmm I didn't think so.
Again, I do know some of them. Some left because they couldn't stand the stupidity. Others have permanently taken up residence in the Arena. At least another one is deceased. So, my deluded little friend, I *do* think so.
>>So before you go and critizize the Outback and its patrons at least come and see what it's like.
In case you missed it..I have seen what it's like. No need to repeat yourself again.
>>Well, that's my two cents.
And greatly devalued they were.
Cordially,
Walker.
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/2/1999 10:39 PM Central Daylight Time
From: AndrewFrcr
And this is my contribution to this arguement:
Fer o'er a year, I 'ave not seen an arguement on these boards get this bad. I find it a disgrace and I think it should stop. Plain and simple. If ya want ta fight, ya can do it in the ring, er right 'ere in the Outback. These boards are not ta argue... and ne'er should be. Ya can do it through mail. Yeah, ya know those things ya send ta people.. Ya can also do it on yer free time. But taking up space on this 'ere board fer arguements is
stupid.
Concerning Dallas, I 'ave agreed ta 'elp 'im. Iffn ya'd like ta 'elp me, I'll look fer a response in ma mail box.. Ya'll should know where I live. Iffn ya don', jus' ask someone 'round the Outback.
Ta tell ya all, this is not pointing out certain people. So, don' take it that way.
~a Andrew Forcer a~
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Twelth Diamond of Fists
From: AndrewFrcr
And this is my contribution to this arguement:
Fer o'er a year, I 'ave not seen an arguement on these boards get this bad. I find it a disgrace and I think it should stop. Plain and simple. If ya want ta fight, ya can do it in the ring, er right 'ere in the Outback. These boards are not ta argue... and ne'er should be. Ya can do it through mail. Yeah, ya know those things ya send ta people.. Ya can also do it on yer free time. But taking up space on this 'ere board fer arguements is
stupid.
Concerning Dallas, I 'ave agreed ta 'elp 'im. Iffn ya'd like ta 'elp me, I'll look fer a response in ma mail box.. Ya'll should know where I live. Iffn ya don', jus' ask someone 'round the Outback.
Ta tell ya all, this is not pointing out certain people. So, don' take it that way.
~a Andrew Forcer a~
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/3/1999 3:17 AM Central Daylight Time
From: JammerZ33
Okay, one last comment, and I'll let this whole thing drop:
Andrew, the boards are the perfect place for this argument. That's one of the points of these boards, so that people of differing opinions can voice them here. The boards aren't here to simply make announcements and agree with each other on every single possible subject. This is an open forum for us to express our opinions, and saying that I shouldn't be writing just because I disagree is ridiculous.
Ryan
From: JammerZ33
Okay, one last comment, and I'll let this whole thing drop:
Andrew, the boards are the perfect place for this argument. That's one of the points of these boards, so that people of differing opinions can voice them here. The boards aren't here to simply make announcements and agree with each other on every single possible subject. This is an open forum for us to express our opinions, and saying that I shouldn't be writing just because I disagree is ridiculous.
Ryan
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Re: Needing Help Desperately
Date: 1/2/1999 5:39 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Maetel Cat
Maetel didn't spend much time in the Outback anymore. After her friends were nearly killed by the bad men who had come to capture her, and then Kadi being kidnapped and *killed*, she just didn't feel right there any more.
She had moved her things back to the alley across from the Inn, only venturing into the Outback very late at night to see if everything was alright.
This particular night she had been visiting her friend the story-teller, learning more about how to write. She knew how to read, most things anyway, but writing seemed so amazing to her. So, remembering the stacks of notes she had seen so many times, she decided to practice.
It took her a while to figure out the main idea of what everyone else was writing about, and most of it still confused her. But, she felt she should add a comment of her own anyway.
Maetel like for to make do fight thing
what for mean rank? is smell?
Maetel smell much good
Maetel miss softnicekadifriend
Maetel no for hve wing for to make fly Maetel no for can fly
Maetel rmememeber
whyfor sey makefightplace be bad?
Maetel like makefightplace is for wear be Maetel friends
She looked over her work, written in bright blue crayon, and smiled. Then she noticed that everyone else had put their name on the bottom of what they had written, so she decided to do that, too.
Maetel write this
Her work finished, she took a tack from another stack of notes, letting them fall to the ground, and tacked up her own right in the center of the board for all to see.
Maetel
Truth is but an illusion... illusion, truth.
From: Maetel Cat
Maetel didn't spend much time in the Outback anymore. After her friends were nearly killed by the bad men who had come to capture her, and then Kadi being kidnapped and *killed*, she just didn't feel right there any more.
She had moved her things back to the alley across from the Inn, only venturing into the Outback very late at night to see if everything was alright.
This particular night she had been visiting her friend the story-teller, learning more about how to write. She knew how to read, most things anyway, but writing seemed so amazing to her. So, remembering the stacks of notes she had seen so many times, she decided to practice.
It took her a while to figure out the main idea of what everyone else was writing about, and most of it still confused her. But, she felt she should add a comment of her own anyway.
Maetel like for to make do fight thing
what for mean rank? is smell?
Maetel smell much good
Maetel miss softnicekadifriend
Maetel no for hve wing for to make fly Maetel no for can fly
Maetel rmememeber
whyfor sey makefightplace be bad?
Maetel like makefightplace is for wear be Maetel friends
She looked over her work, written in bright blue crayon, and smiled. Then she noticed that everyone else had put their name on the bottom of what they had written, so she decided to do that, too.
Maetel write this
Her work finished, she took a tack from another stack of notes, letting them fall to the ground, and tacked up her own right in the center of the board for all to see.
Maetel
Truth is but an illusion... illusion, truth.
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Re: Needing Help Desperately
Date: 1/2/1999 11:25 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Deuce Mack
I never met that Layne guy, but he's right about somethin. You wanna learn how to fight, get your ass in the ring and figure it out. That's all Dallas gotta do. It ain't about not bein willing to help. What you want us to do, pick him up and throw him in? Everything I've seen and heard about the Outback, past and present, points to people being more helpful once a new fighter's climbed in the ring enough to get a
basic idea of what to do. Sorry, but I ain't seen that out of Dallas yet.
Old-timers ain't leavin cause they think this place turned stupid.. they do it cause they're bored! Ain't nobody showin up anymore. At least, that's what it looks like.
And this little stack of papers is more like the Arena than anything y'all was talkin about.
Deuce
From: Deuce Mack
I never met that Layne guy, but he's right about somethin. You wanna learn how to fight, get your ass in the ring and figure it out. That's all Dallas gotta do. It ain't about not bein willing to help. What you want us to do, pick him up and throw him in? Everything I've seen and heard about the Outback, past and present, points to people being more helpful once a new fighter's climbed in the ring enough to get a
basic idea of what to do. Sorry, but I ain't seen that out of Dallas yet.
Old-timers ain't leavin cause they think this place turned stupid.. they do it cause they're bored! Ain't nobody showin up anymore. At least, that's what it looks like.
And this little stack of papers is more like the Arena than anything y'all was talkin about.
Deuce
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Re: Needing Help Desperately
Date: 1/2/1999 1:40 PM Central Daylight Time
From: JakeMHeart
Heh.. this guys got some potential. ::reffering to Walker:: He can be as good as me when it comes to the art of "holier than thou." Bravo to you..::grins writing it::.. You really deserve a medal for your efforts to make people feel like idiots. For all I care... wait I don't care.. bah... Go Harris!
-------)> Jake Heart
From: JakeMHeart
Heh.. this guys got some potential. ::reffering to Walker:: He can be as good as me when it comes to the art of "holier than thou." Bravo to you..::grins writing it::.. You really deserve a medal for your efforts to make people feel like idiots. For all I care... wait I don't care.. bah... Go Harris!
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Re: Needing Help Desperately
Date: 1/2/1999 5:57 PM Central Daylight Time
From: LoneWolfBW
"Ah yes, and I could not forget my friend Deuce, whence this entire thing began.
>>It ain't about not bein willing to help. What you want us to do, pick him up and throw him in? Everything I've seen and heard about the Outback, past and present, points to people being more helpful once a new fighter's climbed in the ring enough to get a
basic idea of what to do. Sorry, but I ain't seen that out of Dallas yet.
I'll repeat and clarify - that is the same sentiments one gets in the Arena, Deuce. People have stated specifically that the Outback is better *because* they make the extra effort to welcome newcomers, guide them, and offer them assistance when it's asked for. Dallas asked for assistance - and well...
THAT is my point, Deuce. If the Outback is no longer such a welcome place as they've bragged, then so be it.
>>Old-timers ain't leavin cause they think this place turned stupid.. they do it cause they're bored! Ain't nobody showin up anymore. At least, that's what it looks like.
Oh, I think you and just about everyone knows that's not exactly true. But I'd be loathe to point out names publicly - if you like we can discuss it privately.
>>And this little stack of papers is more like the Arena than anything y'all was talkin about.
That's true, isn't it? I bring up these points and immediately the idiocy begins. Of course, there have been a few salient points made by Bane, and that Roland gent outside the boards. Such is the hope that springs eternal.
Cordially,
Walker
From: LoneWolfBW
"Ah yes, and I could not forget my friend Deuce, whence this entire thing began.
>>It ain't about not bein willing to help. What you want us to do, pick him up and throw him in? Everything I've seen and heard about the Outback, past and present, points to people being more helpful once a new fighter's climbed in the ring enough to get a
basic idea of what to do. Sorry, but I ain't seen that out of Dallas yet.
I'll repeat and clarify - that is the same sentiments one gets in the Arena, Deuce. People have stated specifically that the Outback is better *because* they make the extra effort to welcome newcomers, guide them, and offer them assistance when it's asked for. Dallas asked for assistance - and well...
THAT is my point, Deuce. If the Outback is no longer such a welcome place as they've bragged, then so be it.
>>Old-timers ain't leavin cause they think this place turned stupid.. they do it cause they're bored! Ain't nobody showin up anymore. At least, that's what it looks like.
Oh, I think you and just about everyone knows that's not exactly true. But I'd be loathe to point out names publicly - if you like we can discuss it privately.
>>And this little stack of papers is more like the Arena than anything y'all was talkin about.
That's true, isn't it? I bring up these points and immediately the idiocy begins. Of course, there have been a few salient points made by Bane, and that Roland gent outside the boards. Such is the hope that springs eternal.
Cordially,
Walker
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Re: Needing Help Desperately
Date: 1/2/1999 8:30 PM Central Daylight Time
From: LoneWolfBW
"Well..
I must say, it's been fun dealing with you all. But when I engaged in this little dalliance, my point was simple - I came here to point out that someone had called on the Outback's vaunted sense of welcome and guidance, and he'd been ignored.
That is no longer the case, as I've been notified by Mr. Sal Roa, who so kindly has offered the assistance of his Duelling Praxeum to Dallas. With that, my work here is done.
It is my sincerest hope that the next poor soul who raises pen to paper here will not be the subject of such an acrimonious debate...I wouldn't want to darken your doorsteps again and make you so angry. ::chuckle::
And I know why you *were* so angry - because I hit a nerve. I pointed out the truth, and rather than confront that, you preferred to confront me. But that is of little consequence; it merely pointed out to me what your priorities are.
I know you'll all be heartbroken, but I'll be off now. Feel free of course to take parting shots; I'd expect nothing less from you. Or, if you prefer, make a resolution amongst yourselves to make things a bit better, so that that arrogant jackal Walker won't have to bother you again. :
:
Good day and good fortunes to you all.
~~Walker~~
From: LoneWolfBW
"Well..
I must say, it's been fun dealing with you all. But when I engaged in this little dalliance, my point was simple - I came here to point out that someone had called on the Outback's vaunted sense of welcome and guidance, and he'd been ignored.
That is no longer the case, as I've been notified by Mr. Sal Roa, who so kindly has offered the assistance of his Duelling Praxeum to Dallas. With that, my work here is done.
It is my sincerest hope that the next poor soul who raises pen to paper here will not be the subject of such an acrimonious debate...I wouldn't want to darken your doorsteps again and make you so angry. ::chuckle::
And I know why you *were* so angry - because I hit a nerve. I pointed out the truth, and rather than confront that, you preferred to confront me. But that is of little consequence; it merely pointed out to me what your priorities are.
I know you'll all be heartbroken, but I'll be off now. Feel free of course to take parting shots; I'd expect nothing less from you. Or, if you prefer, make a resolution amongst yourselves to make things a bit better, so that that arrogant jackal Walker won't have to bother you again. :
:Good day and good fortunes to you all.
~~Walker~~
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Re: Needing Help Desperately
Date: 1/2/1999 8:46 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Deuce Mack
Walker, I don't know you, and I only got your word to go on that you used to do this. But I'm takin that word for now, and as somebody that ain't been around for as long as a lot of people. But there somethin you gotta realize.
There ain't nobody to help! Like I said, ain't nobody really showin no more. I seen that Dallas kid maybe once or twice on my shift, and everybody else don't need no help. And if he asked me somethin, I'd help him out.
This ain't no place for fightin with words. That, I think, has been constant. So I'm done writin, cause there ain't nothin else for me to say, and I'd ask everybody to do the same. If you can't say somethin face to face, don't bother droppin it on a piece of paper while nobody's lookin.
Deuce
From: Deuce Mack
Walker, I don't know you, and I only got your word to go on that you used to do this. But I'm takin that word for now, and as somebody that ain't been around for as long as a lot of people. But there somethin you gotta realize.
There ain't nobody to help! Like I said, ain't nobody really showin no more. I seen that Dallas kid maybe once or twice on my shift, and everybody else don't need no help. And if he asked me somethin, I'd help him out.
This ain't no place for fightin with words. That, I think, has been constant. So I'm done writin, cause there ain't nothin else for me to say, and I'd ask everybody to do the same. If you can't say somethin face to face, don't bother droppin it on a piece of paper while nobody's lookin.
Deuce
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Re: Needing Help Desperately
Date: 1/2/1999 9:06 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Deuce Mack
Look... I know I said I wasn't gonna write no more. And I am done fightin. But I read all this over, and I got to thinkin. You know, I used to try and wave or say hi or somethin to everybody that walked in. If I wasn't loaded with work, I could, but sometimes I couldn't. Point is, I tried. Now, I ain't so sure I'm tryin as much, and I never realized the change was happenin.
Like I asked everybody to stop writin, or at least stop fightin with paper, I ask one more thing. I know we've been short on fresh faces, but think about the ones you've seen. Are you at least tryin to say hi? I know I've only seen a few new people come and stay for more than two minutes lately, and generally, people talk to them (if there's any around), but think about it anyway.
And for the two of you... Walker and Ryan... I don't know what you meant by "welcoming" or "helping", exactly. Everybody's got their own ideas on that kind of stuff. I just hope neither of you are expecting more than a friendly smile and the offer of a drink, cause I don't honestly know what else we can do besides say to someone who wants to learn, except, "Try it out". And maybe keep a fresh supply of bandages around, but we do that anyway.
Deuce
From: Deuce Mack
Look... I know I said I wasn't gonna write no more. And I am done fightin. But I read all this over, and I got to thinkin. You know, I used to try and wave or say hi or somethin to everybody that walked in. If I wasn't loaded with work, I could, but sometimes I couldn't. Point is, I tried. Now, I ain't so sure I'm tryin as much, and I never realized the change was happenin.
Like I asked everybody to stop writin, or at least stop fightin with paper, I ask one more thing. I know we've been short on fresh faces, but think about the ones you've seen. Are you at least tryin to say hi? I know I've only seen a few new people come and stay for more than two minutes lately, and generally, people talk to them (if there's any around), but think about it anyway.
And for the two of you... Walker and Ryan... I don't know what you meant by "welcoming" or "helping", exactly. Everybody's got their own ideas on that kind of stuff. I just hope neither of you are expecting more than a friendly smile and the offer of a drink, cause I don't honestly know what else we can do besides say to someone who wants to learn, except, "Try it out". And maybe keep a fresh supply of bandages around, but we do that anyway.
Deuce
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One more book...er...thought...
Date: 1/2/1999 11:45 PM Central Daylight Time
From: EldrionKoG
I know I don't frequent the boards much anymore...partly due to being screamed off of them by certain unnamed people, and partly due to a growing disinterest in them. I didn't want to get involved with this at first because I figured no one would have the balls or wit to face up to Lone Wolf. Well, as far as wit goes I will stay silent because the fighting is over and I don't want it to come back, but a few certainly had
the balls to try and hold their own.
Now that all of this has come to an end it feels kind of meaningless, but I just couldn't go without saying anything (I did try Matt, honest I did... but you know me... spurting off at the mouth is something I do... I may not be good at it, but damnit, it's something I can't help).
Walker was right.
When you look through all the bickering and sarcastic commentary and get right down to it he accomplished everything he planned with his first little post, and everyone played right into it.
For those of you who do not know (or have forgotten) what the original situation was, let me restate it for you. A newcomer by the name of Dallas came around asking if anyone could help him become a better fighter. Well, time passed and people regarded the post, but no one wanted to help him.
In comes Walker... and granted he does not frequent this place as much as Jesse, or god forbid me say as much as Shannon once did... but he addressed a very valid and very real problem...
"...No one is truly interested in 'helping' in this little corner of the realm." (Hope you don't mind me quoting you, Mr. Walker)
Now, this being stated what does everyone with a pair do? Instead of trying to address this problem and remedy it, everyone attacked he who addressed the problem. Not because he was wrong, mind you.... oh, no... because he did exactly what he said he did... he shamed everyone into reply.
"...My reply shall undoubtedly shame at least a few of the locals into replying, if only to make them look somewhat less full of themselves."
Why did his first little post shame so many, you ask? Elementary, my dear dueler. He was right, the people knew it, thus they felt they needed to either attack and discredit the man who shamed them, or admit to the problem... most chose to attack and thus played right into Walker's game (and thus bit off a little more than they could chew).
Now with that being said (something that I needed to say because I feel that some people actually convinced themselves that they were right), I'll come to the reason I decided to write today out of any other day.
Deuce's most recent post.
Out of everyone (besides Walker, due to the fact that he was the one who addressed the problem) who has posted a reply to this little string of insults, Deuce is the only one to admit that he has been doing something wrong.
"You know, I used to try and wave or say hi or somethin to everybody that walked in. If I wasn't loaded with work, I could, but sometimes I couldn't. Point is, I tried. Now, I ain't so sure I'm tryin as much." (Hope you don't mind me quoting you either, Deuce).
Someone actually addressed the root of the problem. Now, Deuce may have said some things in this previous post that really pissed me off (if you please, or even if you don't please)... but that statement in that post changed my view on him. And to top it off, he goes and tries to form a Pheonix from the ashes this bickering has created...
Think about the ones you've seen. Are you at least tryin to say hi? I know I've only seen a few new people come and stay for more than two minutes lately, and generally, people talk to them (if there's any around), but think about it anyway.
Now Deuce may not have been offering to train every newcomer that happened to ask for some help, but he sure has helped in his own way.
I guess my point in all of this is that if Deuce can turn around and try to work things out, then those of you who are reading this can sure as hell at least think about things. I sure as hell have, and I know that I've been an asshole lately ((this partly due to OOC concerns, and for that I apologise))...
Who knows... maybe if Deuce can, and I can... and hell, if a few of you can... maybe we can pull a Pheonix from these ashes.
Regards,
Eldarion
PS... If anyone still wants to be trained or needs a few pointers, I'm willing to help out. Just contact me.
From: EldrionKoG
I know I don't frequent the boards much anymore...partly due to being screamed off of them by certain unnamed people, and partly due to a growing disinterest in them. I didn't want to get involved with this at first because I figured no one would have the balls or wit to face up to Lone Wolf. Well, as far as wit goes I will stay silent because the fighting is over and I don't want it to come back, but a few certainly had
the balls to try and hold their own.
Now that all of this has come to an end it feels kind of meaningless, but I just couldn't go without saying anything (I did try Matt, honest I did... but you know me... spurting off at the mouth is something I do... I may not be good at it, but damnit, it's something I can't help).
Walker was right.
When you look through all the bickering and sarcastic commentary and get right down to it he accomplished everything he planned with his first little post, and everyone played right into it.
For those of you who do not know (or have forgotten) what the original situation was, let me restate it for you. A newcomer by the name of Dallas came around asking if anyone could help him become a better fighter. Well, time passed and people regarded the post, but no one wanted to help him.
In comes Walker... and granted he does not frequent this place as much as Jesse, or god forbid me say as much as Shannon once did... but he addressed a very valid and very real problem...
"...No one is truly interested in 'helping' in this little corner of the realm." (Hope you don't mind me quoting you, Mr. Walker)
Now, this being stated what does everyone with a pair do? Instead of trying to address this problem and remedy it, everyone attacked he who addressed the problem. Not because he was wrong, mind you.... oh, no... because he did exactly what he said he did... he shamed everyone into reply.
"...My reply shall undoubtedly shame at least a few of the locals into replying, if only to make them look somewhat less full of themselves."
Why did his first little post shame so many, you ask? Elementary, my dear dueler. He was right, the people knew it, thus they felt they needed to either attack and discredit the man who shamed them, or admit to the problem... most chose to attack and thus played right into Walker's game (and thus bit off a little more than they could chew).
Now with that being said (something that I needed to say because I feel that some people actually convinced themselves that they were right), I'll come to the reason I decided to write today out of any other day.
Deuce's most recent post.
Out of everyone (besides Walker, due to the fact that he was the one who addressed the problem) who has posted a reply to this little string of insults, Deuce is the only one to admit that he has been doing something wrong.
"You know, I used to try and wave or say hi or somethin to everybody that walked in. If I wasn't loaded with work, I could, but sometimes I couldn't. Point is, I tried. Now, I ain't so sure I'm tryin as much." (Hope you don't mind me quoting you either, Deuce).
Someone actually addressed the root of the problem. Now, Deuce may have said some things in this previous post that really pissed me off (if you please, or even if you don't please)... but that statement in that post changed my view on him. And to top it off, he goes and tries to form a Pheonix from the ashes this bickering has created...
Think about the ones you've seen. Are you at least tryin to say hi? I know I've only seen a few new people come and stay for more than two minutes lately, and generally, people talk to them (if there's any around), but think about it anyway.
Now Deuce may not have been offering to train every newcomer that happened to ask for some help, but he sure has helped in his own way.
I guess my point in all of this is that if Deuce can turn around and try to work things out, then those of you who are reading this can sure as hell at least think about things. I sure as hell have, and I know that I've been an asshole lately ((this partly due to OOC concerns, and for that I apologise))...
Who knows... maybe if Deuce can, and I can... and hell, if a few of you can... maybe we can pull a Pheonix from these ashes.
Regards,
Eldarion
PS... If anyone still wants to be trained or needs a few pointers, I'm willing to help out. Just contact me.