From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 21 Sep 1999 23:05:03 EDT
Bringing this discussion back around to the original topic:
At this stage, I think it worth noting that the rule in question in the current conversation is one intended to protect the challenger. As such, Lord Evermeadow's ruling did, indeed, meet the "common sense" interpretation; Topaz, the challenger, was informed that if she wished to go ahead and disregard the infraction, the duel would stand - as the only party negatively impacted was, indeed, Topaz herself. The Baroness' failure to properly respond
did not impact other possible challengers, and, in fact, only those who study the rules and their application with the diligence of a legal scholar would even have noted the infraction.
That said... we all know my opinion on "common sense" interpretations of that which is and is not written. It would seem to me that, in the case of rules which are solely to protect one combatant in a challenge, language should be inserted allowing them the option to "decline the penalty," to borrow an old Terran sporting term. Barring that, it would certainly seem a rule was violated, and was not dealt with within the letter of the rules.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
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From: tinytopaz@aol.com (TinyTopaz)
Date: 21 Sep 1999 23:53:03 EDT
Dear Jona, Ian and Sid,
My deep felt thanks to you. A thousand steel were donated to the RhyDin Orphanage and the Old Duelers Home in your names.
With the utmost sincerity,
Topaz
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Date: 21 Sep 1999 23:53:03 EDT
Dear Jona, Ian and Sid,
My deep felt thanks to you. A thousand steel were donated to the RhyDin Orphanage and the Old Duelers Home in your names.
With the utmost sincerity,
Topaz
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 00:31:27 EDT
M'lady Topaz,
Thou art mos' gracious an' generous. Th' orphanage be a mos' worthy charity indeed. Yet nay need fer thankin' me, lass, tis simply th' th' matter needed t' be brought t' th' fore. Ah felt t'was t' proper thin' t' do in th' face 'o Madame Silvertree's less th' truthful comments ast well ast th' blatant floutin' 'o th' rules 'o engagement by t' former Baroness ast well ast th' senior officials permittin' it...again. Ah do thank thee most kindly.
Jona
Date: 22 Sep 1999 00:31:27 EDT
M'lady Topaz,
Thou art mos' gracious an' generous. Th' orphanage be a mos' worthy charity indeed. Yet nay need fer thankin' me, lass, tis simply th' th' matter needed t' be brought t' th' fore. Ah felt t'was t' proper thin' t' do in th' face 'o Madame Silvertree's less th' truthful comments ast well ast th' blatant floutin' 'o th' rules 'o engagement by t' former Baroness ast well ast th' senior officials permittin' it...again. Ah do thank thee most kindly.
Jona
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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 01:15:25 EDT
Sid...
Ask Morgan why comments on a personal flaw were brought up, as she was the one who did so.
Lady Jonalyn.
Your possession of a private missive that was most certainly not delivered into your hands by the air elementals tasked by me to deliver such things clearly indicates the lengths that you will go to cast aspersions upon those whom you disagree with.
I have never publicly indicated a friendship with the Lady Topaz... though at the time of said challenge she was certainly someone I would have called a friend. Over time, this has faded.
As for Lady Topaz' relationship with Lord Eros, I have nothing further to say... Sidartha is correct and it has nothing to do with this discussion.
I am well aware of why Eros vanished after his betrothal to Queen Teleperien, having discussed his disappearance with him.
To quote you: "Tis e'en more
interestin' th' Eros didst pursue manna a lass whilst wed t' th' lovely Topaz, an' th' thee 'old Eros t' be an' 'onorable man." Lady Starfare, I have seen you flirt with many a man more seriously than I saw Eros flirting with ladies. But then, while I call Eros a worthy friend and generally an honorable man... I know too he has his faults, yet do not condemn him for those faults.
As for your later comment: "Were I nae such a lady, Madame, I couldst most assuredly aire a bit 'o dirty linen wi' regard t' yuir ability t' 'old a 'usband." Mayhaps you should get your facts straight. As most anyone who knew us at the time will tell you, I was the one who left Perrinis.
In closing, to answer your spurious comment: "Thee thyself stated thee wouldna apprise th' Baroness th' she wast remise, yet thee admit t' speakin' t' 'er after t' duel an' mentionin' t' 'er th' thee were nae in possession 'o th' official acceptance. Tis seemin' thee dinna keep thine word on th' matter t' th' Lady Topaz. " It is clear to anyone who
reads my words that I waited until the duel was concluded and the matter settled to the Lady Topaz' satisfaction that I spoke to the then Baroness.
Clearly, the matter was closed and I was free to make the then Baroness aware of her error so she would not do the same in the future.
In closing, you claim that I have betrayed my office as Standing's Keeper... yet find me where it states that I cannot ask or remind a challenged individual that they are required to ensure I receive a copy of their acceptance of a challenge.
In your rush to heap insult upon me, you overlook this simple fact, as you have missed so many in this discussion. If you wish, I will point out each and every one for you.
I find myself all too close to recinding a vow I took in regards to yourself, Lady Starfare... but I shall not. I shall not speak or write insults about you, no matter how often you do so of me.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
Date: 22 Sep 1999 01:15:25 EDT
Sid...
Ask Morgan why comments on a personal flaw were brought up, as she was the one who did so.
Lady Jonalyn.
Your possession of a private missive that was most certainly not delivered into your hands by the air elementals tasked by me to deliver such things clearly indicates the lengths that you will go to cast aspersions upon those whom you disagree with.
I have never publicly indicated a friendship with the Lady Topaz... though at the time of said challenge she was certainly someone I would have called a friend. Over time, this has faded.
As for Lady Topaz' relationship with Lord Eros, I have nothing further to say... Sidartha is correct and it has nothing to do with this discussion.
I am well aware of why Eros vanished after his betrothal to Queen Teleperien, having discussed his disappearance with him.
To quote you: "Tis e'en more
interestin' th' Eros didst pursue manna a lass whilst wed t' th' lovely Topaz, an' th' thee 'old Eros t' be an' 'onorable man." Lady Starfare, I have seen you flirt with many a man more seriously than I saw Eros flirting with ladies. But then, while I call Eros a worthy friend and generally an honorable man... I know too he has his faults, yet do not condemn him for those faults.
As for your later comment: "Were I nae such a lady, Madame, I couldst most assuredly aire a bit 'o dirty linen wi' regard t' yuir ability t' 'old a 'usband." Mayhaps you should get your facts straight. As most anyone who knew us at the time will tell you, I was the one who left Perrinis.
In closing, to answer your spurious comment: "Thee thyself stated thee wouldna apprise th' Baroness th' she wast remise, yet thee admit t' speakin' t' 'er after t' duel an' mentionin' t' 'er th' thee were nae in possession 'o th' official acceptance. Tis seemin' thee dinna keep thine word on th' matter t' th' Lady Topaz. " It is clear to anyone who
reads my words that I waited until the duel was concluded and the matter settled to the Lady Topaz' satisfaction that I spoke to the then Baroness.
Clearly, the matter was closed and I was free to make the then Baroness aware of her error so she would not do the same in the future.
In closing, you claim that I have betrayed my office as Standing's Keeper... yet find me where it states that I cannot ask or remind a challenged individual that they are required to ensure I receive a copy of their acceptance of a challenge.
In your rush to heap insult upon me, you overlook this simple fact, as you have missed so many in this discussion. If you wish, I will point out each and every one for you.
I find myself all too close to recinding a vow I took in regards to yourself, Lady Starfare... but I shall not. I shall not speak or write insults about you, no matter how often you do so of me.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 02:16:22 EDT
Madame Silvertree,
Tis vastly amusing that the claim t'was Morgana wh' brought up comments on a personal flaw. Tis Morgana simply mentioned she wast present fer a conversation nae makin' anna note 'o wh' th' conversation entailed save t'was further proof that thee hae a penchant t' speak outta both sides 'o yuir mouth. T'was thee, Madame wh' didst lower thine self t' makin' personal comments wi' regard t' th' Lady Topaz. Tis right interestin' thee hae chosen t' 'ush
yuirself. Bluff called, Madame?
Ast ta wh' be in me possession, lass, tis simple proof of thine two faced, back stabbin' personality. Though, res' assured, thee hae given proof 'o th' 'pon numerous occasions. Tis vastly amusing that thee claim t' hae seen me flirtin', Madame. Ah find it interestin' th' thee take note 'o wh' Ah do. Tis certes Gav dinna consider wh' Ah do ast bein' flirtin'. Tis also vastly amusin' th' thee aire seemin'ly unaware 'o Eros' doin's an state thee
'old 'e be a worthy friend an' an' 'onorable man. Thine standards 'o wh' ye consider 'onorable speak mightily 'o yuir own lack 'o it, Madame. Lass, indeed, tis nae matter th' ye chose t' leave th' General, tis yuir reasons fer doin' so wh' wouldst make a juicy tid bit fer th' news, neh?
Tis almost comedic th' thee mention thee aire close t' rescindin' a vow bu' hae restrained yuirself. Thee dinna restrain yuirself in th' matter 'o breakin' yuir word t' th' Lady Topaz. Methinks thee dinna take th' courtesty 'o inquirin' 'o th' Lady if'n she hae released thee from thine promise. Tis seemin' t' me, Ah recall thee once statin' th' thee wouldst keep thine word e'en were thee released from doin' so for thee considered th' a matter 'o
yuir own personal 'onor.
Indeed, tis also amusin' th' the former Baroness wast seemin'ly nae bright enow t' follow one 'o th' simplest rules wi' out needin' remindin'. Perhaps a new warlord wouldst need such infermation, bu' a Baroness wh' hae already fought challenges agin th' Warlord Lucian, th' warlord K'yorl Jarlaxel, ast well ast a challenge agin the then Overlord, Dexter Montoya, all afore she wast challenged by t' Warlord Topaz, wouldst or shouldst nae need t' be
reminded 'o so simple a rule. Tis nae ast if th' rule ist vague or contradicts another, neh?
Aire thee now takin' t' babysittin' all, both challenger an' challenged in seein' th' all th' requirements be met? Interestin' lass, for in thee seem t' be blithely ignoring t' fact th' th' challenge wast permitted t' proceed in contradiction 'o th' rules; th' very rules that thee wouldst hae me cite t' grant thee permission t' do ast thee please, despite th' ast Standing's Keeper tis been long 'eld ast tradition wouldst be a position 'o neutrality,
fairness an' free 'o bias. Hae thee nae taken it 'pon thineself t' remind t' former Baroness after th' fact, tis th' matter may hae found its way unta th' Council. Tis clear, Madame, th' wh' thee didst wast interfer again in a challenge an' remove t' Council's ability t' act shouldst they hae been called upon t' do so.
Thee hae proven time an' agin thine incompetance, thine bias, ast well ast tha' thine given word ist worthless, Madame. Thine attempt t' interfer wi' th' Council when they were deliberatin' th' matter 'o Elijah's challenge by considerin' withholdin' th' infermation 'o 'is retirement leaps t' mind. Tis my sincerest 'ope that thee shall ne'er 'old a seat 'pon th' Council whilst thee also 'old thine job ast Standin's Keeper. Thine attempts t'
manipulate t' Council in thine capacity 'o Standings Keeper ist unconscionable, Madame. Thine attempts t' paint thineself ast bein' put upon be little more th' a pitiable attempt t' avoid th' fact th' thee be seemin'ly attemptin' t' 'old thineself aloof an' nae t' be 'eld t' account fer yuir acts. Much ast th' former Baroness cast blame elsewhere thee continue thine whimperin'.
Bluntly,
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 22 Sep 1999 02:16:22 EDT
Madame Silvertree,
Tis vastly amusing that the claim t'was Morgana wh' brought up comments on a personal flaw. Tis Morgana simply mentioned she wast present fer a conversation nae makin' anna note 'o wh' th' conversation entailed save t'was further proof that thee hae a penchant t' speak outta both sides 'o yuir mouth. T'was thee, Madame wh' didst lower thine self t' makin' personal comments wi' regard t' th' Lady Topaz. Tis right interestin' thee hae chosen t' 'ush
yuirself. Bluff called, Madame?
Ast ta wh' be in me possession, lass, tis simple proof of thine two faced, back stabbin' personality. Though, res' assured, thee hae given proof 'o th' 'pon numerous occasions. Tis vastly amusing that thee claim t' hae seen me flirtin', Madame. Ah find it interestin' th' thee take note 'o wh' Ah do. Tis certes Gav dinna consider wh' Ah do ast bein' flirtin'. Tis also vastly amusin' th' thee aire seemin'ly unaware 'o Eros' doin's an state thee
'old 'e be a worthy friend an' an' 'onorable man. Thine standards 'o wh' ye consider 'onorable speak mightily 'o yuir own lack 'o it, Madame. Lass, indeed, tis nae matter th' ye chose t' leave th' General, tis yuir reasons fer doin' so wh' wouldst make a juicy tid bit fer th' news, neh?
Tis almost comedic th' thee mention thee aire close t' rescindin' a vow bu' hae restrained yuirself. Thee dinna restrain yuirself in th' matter 'o breakin' yuir word t' th' Lady Topaz. Methinks thee dinna take th' courtesty 'o inquirin' 'o th' Lady if'n she hae released thee from thine promise. Tis seemin' t' me, Ah recall thee once statin' th' thee wouldst keep thine word e'en were thee released from doin' so for thee considered th' a matter 'o
yuir own personal 'onor.
Indeed, tis also amusin' th' the former Baroness wast seemin'ly nae bright enow t' follow one 'o th' simplest rules wi' out needin' remindin'. Perhaps a new warlord wouldst need such infermation, bu' a Baroness wh' hae already fought challenges agin th' Warlord Lucian, th' warlord K'yorl Jarlaxel, ast well ast a challenge agin the then Overlord, Dexter Montoya, all afore she wast challenged by t' Warlord Topaz, wouldst or shouldst nae need t' be
reminded 'o so simple a rule. Tis nae ast if th' rule ist vague or contradicts another, neh?
Aire thee now takin' t' babysittin' all, both challenger an' challenged in seein' th' all th' requirements be met? Interestin' lass, for in thee seem t' be blithely ignoring t' fact th' th' challenge wast permitted t' proceed in contradiction 'o th' rules; th' very rules that thee wouldst hae me cite t' grant thee permission t' do ast thee please, despite th' ast Standing's Keeper tis been long 'eld ast tradition wouldst be a position 'o neutrality,
fairness an' free 'o bias. Hae thee nae taken it 'pon thineself t' remind t' former Baroness after th' fact, tis th' matter may hae found its way unta th' Council. Tis clear, Madame, th' wh' thee didst wast interfer again in a challenge an' remove t' Council's ability t' act shouldst they hae been called upon t' do so.
Thee hae proven time an' agin thine incompetance, thine bias, ast well ast tha' thine given word ist worthless, Madame. Thine attempt t' interfer wi' th' Council when they were deliberatin' th' matter 'o Elijah's challenge by considerin' withholdin' th' infermation 'o 'is retirement leaps t' mind. Tis my sincerest 'ope that thee shall ne'er 'old a seat 'pon th' Council whilst thee also 'old thine job ast Standin's Keeper. Thine attempts t'
manipulate t' Council in thine capacity 'o Standings Keeper ist unconscionable, Madame. Thine attempts t' paint thineself ast bein' put upon be little more th' a pitiable attempt t' avoid th' fact th' thee be seemin'ly attemptin' t' 'old thineself aloof an' nae t' be 'eld t' account fer yuir acts. Much ast th' former Baroness cast blame elsewhere thee continue thine whimperin'.
Bluntly,
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 02:51:06 EDT
He chuckles reading Jona's latest post.
"Well, hard enough to read what she writes, now she's making baseless accusations and placing words in peoples mouths again. No shocker there."
1)What vow did Drake make Topaz?
2)Jona, hon, you flirt with me often.
3)What's with this vendetta against Drake?
4)Drake never attempted to interfere with the Barons Council any more than beyond her power to do so. Or is Benefit of the Doubt beyond someone so utterly well respected as yourself?
5)Frankly, you're doing a good job of using someone else's technique of passive aggressive attacking.
Have fun doing the same to me. I don't care either way. ::shrug::
*G*
Date: 22 Sep 1999 02:51:06 EDT
He chuckles reading Jona's latest post.
"Well, hard enough to read what she writes, now she's making baseless accusations and placing words in peoples mouths again. No shocker there."
1)What vow did Drake make Topaz?
2)Jona, hon, you flirt with me often.
3)What's with this vendetta against Drake?
4)Drake never attempted to interfere with the Barons Council any more than beyond her power to do so. Or is Benefit of the Doubt beyond someone so utterly well respected as yourself?
5)Frankly, you're doing a good job of using someone else's technique of passive aggressive attacking.
Have fun doing the same to me. I don't care either way. ::shrug::
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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 03:28:23 EDT
Lady Starfare.
Once again, you have misplaced or simply ignored certain facts.
To quote you: "T'was thee, Madame wh' didst lower thine self t' makin' personal comments wi' regard t' th' Lady Topaz. Tis right interestin' thee hae chosen t' 'ush
yuirself." I made those comments to prevent any doubt on anyone's part as to what Morgan was speaking of. I have nothing to hide in that regard. I have stated that I will not speak on the subject again because, as has been so clearly pointed out, it has nothing to do with this subject.
Further: "Tis vastly amusing that thee claim t' hae seen me flirtin', Madame. Ah find it interestin' th' thee take note 'o wh' Ah do. Tis certes Gav dinna consider wh' Ah do ast bein' flirtin'." Considering that you took note of what Eros did, and appear to take note of what most everyone does, why should you be surprised that others do the same?
And if your husband gives no consideration to whom you spend time with... that is his own choice.
Further, you write: "Lass, indeed, tis nae matter th' ye chose t' leave th' General, tis yuir reasons fer doin' so wh' wouldst make a juicy tid bit fer th' news, neh?"
First you claim that I could not hold onto a husband, now you say it doesn't matter that you were wrong in this. Again, ask around... you will find that, when I left Perrinis, I was under the belief that my current spouse was deceased... therefore she had little to do with my leaving Perrinis.
You further state: "Tis almost comedic th' thee mention thee aire close t' rescindin' a vow bu' hae restrained yuirself. Thee dinna restrain yuirself in th' matter 'o breakin' yuir word t' th' Lady Topaz. Methinks thee dinna take th' courtesty 'o inquirin' 'o th' Lady if'n she hae released thee from thine promise. Tis seemin' t' me, Ah recall thee once statin' th' thee wouldst keep thine word e'en
were thee released from doin' so for thee considered th' a matter 'o yuir own personal 'onor. "
My words to Lady Topaz were to the effect of: "Because you brought this to my attention, I will not inform Jaycy that she needs to give me a copy of her acceptance letter."
Once the matter was clearly over with, and Lady Topaz indicated in the conversation previously mentioned that she would not pursue this matter... then I spoke with Jaycynda.
Later on, you state: "Aire thee now takin' t' babysittin' all, both challenger an' challenged in seein' th' all th' requirements be met? Interestin' lass, for in thee seem t' be blithely ignoring t' fact th' th' challenge wast permitted t' proceed in contradiction 'o th' rules; th' very rules that thee wouldst hae me cite t' grant thee permission t' do ast thee please, despite th' ast Standing's
Keeper tis been long 'eld ast tradition wouldst be a position 'o neutrality, fairness an' free 'o bias." Quite interesting that you should say that, given that it is in fact not babysitting but the Standing's Keeper's job to see to it that all the requirements are met. As for your claim that I ignored this situation, I will point out the letter you so handily posted where I asked that the matter be
handled by the Supervisor and the Assistant Supervisor so that I -could- maintain a neutral stance.
Further, you claim: "Hae thee nae taken it 'pon thineself t' remind t' former Baroness after th' fact, tis th' matter may hae found its way unta th' Council. Tis clear, Madame, th' wh' thee didst wast interfer again in a challenge an' remove t' Council's ability t' act shouldst they hae been called upon t' do so." And once again I state that the
matter had been decided and the Lady Topaz had stated that she would not pursue the matter. For further proof, I call upon both your and Lady Topaz' statements that Master Evermeadow had stated that the duel would stand... therefore, how could any action I take effect the Council in that situation?
You go further and state: "Thine attempt t' interfer wi' th' Council when they were deliberatin' th' matter 'o Elijah's challenge by considerin' withholdin' th' infermation 'o 'is retirement leaps t' mind." This statement is wholely without proof, and an utter lie. It deserves no further consideration.
Then you make the comment of: "Tis my sincerest 'ope that thee shall ne'er 'old a seat 'pon th' Council whilst thee also 'old thine job ast Standin's Keeper." Too late. Yet both when I issued my challenge and specifically stated that my proxy turn the situation over to Master Evermeadow, and when challenge was issued to me and I kept both Master
Evermeadow and the Council fully apprised of the challenge... both verifying said challenge quickly and dueling said challenge in a timely matter.
Lastly, you claim: "Thine attempts t' paint thineself ast bein' put upon be little more th' a pitiable attempt t' avoid th' fact th' thee be seemin'ly attemptin' t' 'old thineself aloof an' nae t' be 'eld t' account fer yuir acts." I have always taken apropriate credit or blame for every situation I have been involved in. I have never hidden my
actions, nor attempted to cover up anything I have said in the past.
Quite an interesting accusation from someone who has never, to my knowledge, accepted blame for your errors or admitted to your mistakes.
I tire of your veiled comments and allusions to things in the past... yet when you are asked to provide proof, you refuse.
I tire of your attempts to cause the community to see myself and others in a poor light by your use of inuendo when you refuse to back up your statements.
Lastly, I tire of your endless string of insults in the name of Honor.
How is Honor served by insulting others?
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
Date: 22 Sep 1999 03:28:23 EDT
Lady Starfare.
Once again, you have misplaced or simply ignored certain facts.
To quote you: "T'was thee, Madame wh' didst lower thine self t' makin' personal comments wi' regard t' th' Lady Topaz. Tis right interestin' thee hae chosen t' 'ush
yuirself." I made those comments to prevent any doubt on anyone's part as to what Morgan was speaking of. I have nothing to hide in that regard. I have stated that I will not speak on the subject again because, as has been so clearly pointed out, it has nothing to do with this subject.
Further: "Tis vastly amusing that thee claim t' hae seen me flirtin', Madame. Ah find it interestin' th' thee take note 'o wh' Ah do. Tis certes Gav dinna consider wh' Ah do ast bein' flirtin'." Considering that you took note of what Eros did, and appear to take note of what most everyone does, why should you be surprised that others do the same?
And if your husband gives no consideration to whom you spend time with... that is his own choice.
Further, you write: "Lass, indeed, tis nae matter th' ye chose t' leave th' General, tis yuir reasons fer doin' so wh' wouldst make a juicy tid bit fer th' news, neh?"
First you claim that I could not hold onto a husband, now you say it doesn't matter that you were wrong in this. Again, ask around... you will find that, when I left Perrinis, I was under the belief that my current spouse was deceased... therefore she had little to do with my leaving Perrinis.
You further state: "Tis almost comedic th' thee mention thee aire close t' rescindin' a vow bu' hae restrained yuirself. Thee dinna restrain yuirself in th' matter 'o breakin' yuir word t' th' Lady Topaz. Methinks thee dinna take th' courtesty 'o inquirin' 'o th' Lady if'n she hae released thee from thine promise. Tis seemin' t' me, Ah recall thee once statin' th' thee wouldst keep thine word e'en
were thee released from doin' so for thee considered th' a matter 'o yuir own personal 'onor. "
My words to Lady Topaz were to the effect of: "Because you brought this to my attention, I will not inform Jaycy that she needs to give me a copy of her acceptance letter."
Once the matter was clearly over with, and Lady Topaz indicated in the conversation previously mentioned that she would not pursue this matter... then I spoke with Jaycynda.
Later on, you state: "Aire thee now takin' t' babysittin' all, both challenger an' challenged in seein' th' all th' requirements be met? Interestin' lass, for in thee seem t' be blithely ignoring t' fact th' th' challenge wast permitted t' proceed in contradiction 'o th' rules; th' very rules that thee wouldst hae me cite t' grant thee permission t' do ast thee please, despite th' ast Standing's
Keeper tis been long 'eld ast tradition wouldst be a position 'o neutrality, fairness an' free 'o bias." Quite interesting that you should say that, given that it is in fact not babysitting but the Standing's Keeper's job to see to it that all the requirements are met. As for your claim that I ignored this situation, I will point out the letter you so handily posted where I asked that the matter be
handled by the Supervisor and the Assistant Supervisor so that I -could- maintain a neutral stance.
Further, you claim: "Hae thee nae taken it 'pon thineself t' remind t' former Baroness after th' fact, tis th' matter may hae found its way unta th' Council. Tis clear, Madame, th' wh' thee didst wast interfer again in a challenge an' remove t' Council's ability t' act shouldst they hae been called upon t' do so." And once again I state that the
matter had been decided and the Lady Topaz had stated that she would not pursue the matter. For further proof, I call upon both your and Lady Topaz' statements that Master Evermeadow had stated that the duel would stand... therefore, how could any action I take effect the Council in that situation?
You go further and state: "Thine attempt t' interfer wi' th' Council when they were deliberatin' th' matter 'o Elijah's challenge by considerin' withholdin' th' infermation 'o 'is retirement leaps t' mind." This statement is wholely without proof, and an utter lie. It deserves no further consideration.
Then you make the comment of: "Tis my sincerest 'ope that thee shall ne'er 'old a seat 'pon th' Council whilst thee also 'old thine job ast Standin's Keeper." Too late. Yet both when I issued my challenge and specifically stated that my proxy turn the situation over to Master Evermeadow, and when challenge was issued to me and I kept both Master
Evermeadow and the Council fully apprised of the challenge... both verifying said challenge quickly and dueling said challenge in a timely matter.
Lastly, you claim: "Thine attempts t' paint thineself ast bein' put upon be little more th' a pitiable attempt t' avoid th' fact th' thee be seemin'ly attemptin' t' 'old thineself aloof an' nae t' be 'eld t' account fer yuir acts." I have always taken apropriate credit or blame for every situation I have been involved in. I have never hidden my
actions, nor attempted to cover up anything I have said in the past.
Quite an interesting accusation from someone who has never, to my knowledge, accepted blame for your errors or admitted to your mistakes.
I tire of your veiled comments and allusions to things in the past... yet when you are asked to provide proof, you refuse.
I tire of your attempts to cause the community to see myself and others in a poor light by your use of inuendo when you refuse to back up your statements.
Lastly, I tire of your endless string of insults in the name of Honor.
How is Honor served by insulting others?
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 03:56:58 EDT
G,
I refer thee t' Madame Silvertree's own comments, that she didst tell the Lady Topaz she wouldst nae inform Jaycynda th' an official acceptance needs mus' be tendered, yet Madame Silvertree took it upon 'erself ta request th' letter from Jaycynda.
Ast t' flirtin' wi' thee, G, if'n Ah a gi' thee a wink now an' agin 'er blow thee a kiss, tis res' assured much less th' wh' Eros hae attempted.
Tis nae anna vendetta, G, kindly dinna succumb t' Madame Silvertree's hyperbole. T'would make nae anna difference in t' least who t'was wh' didst wh' she hast, Ah wouldst still make t' same comments.
Madame Silvertree indeed hast attempted t' interfer far beyond 'er duties ast an' official.
Tis nae annathin' passive 'bout me, G, though Ah mos' assuredly willnae deny th' Ah am aggressive. Gav dost so enjoy th' 'bout me.
Jona
Date: 22 Sep 1999 03:56:58 EDT
G,
I refer thee t' Madame Silvertree's own comments, that she didst tell the Lady Topaz she wouldst nae inform Jaycynda th' an official acceptance needs mus' be tendered, yet Madame Silvertree took it upon 'erself ta request th' letter from Jaycynda.
Ast t' flirtin' wi' thee, G, if'n Ah a gi' thee a wink now an' agin 'er blow thee a kiss, tis res' assured much less th' wh' Eros hae attempted.
Tis nae anna vendetta, G, kindly dinna succumb t' Madame Silvertree's hyperbole. T'would make nae anna difference in t' least who t'was wh' didst wh' she hast, Ah wouldst still make t' same comments.
Madame Silvertree indeed hast attempted t' interfer far beyond 'er duties ast an' official.
Tis nae annathin' passive 'bout me, G, though Ah mos' assuredly willnae deny th' Ah am aggressive. Gav dost so enjoy th' 'bout me.
Jona
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 04:07:37 EDT
>I refer thee t' Madame Silvertree's own comments, that she didst tell the
>Lady Topaz she wouldst nae inform Jaycynda th' an official acceptance needs
>mus' be tendered, yet Madame Silvertree took it upon 'erself ta request th'
>letter from Jaycynda.
Exactly where did she say this. It's actually possible I missed a post or something, I've gotten into the habit of skimming most posts these days due to time constraints.
>Ast t' flirtin' wi' thee, G, if'n Ah a gi' thee a wink now an' agin 'er blow
>thee a kiss, tis res' assured much less th' wh' Eros hae attempted.
Granted, I've seen prostitues flirt less than he does. But I was stating that you do indeed flirt, whether Gav or yourself don't consider it such.
>Tis nae anna vendetta, G, kindly dinna succumb t' Madame Silvertree's
>hyperbole.
And never would I succumb to her hyperbole. For I know an exaggeration when I see one. If you would like an honest opinion, if anyone's being hyperbolic, it's you. And it's okay to disagree, I understand that noone will feel guilty of such.
>T'would make nae anna difference in t' least who t'was wh' didst wh' she
>hast, Ah wouldst still make t' same comments.
I'm pleased to see this, at least. I'd dislike seeing you play favorites at all.
>Madame Silvertree indeed hast attempted t' interfer far beyond 'er duties ast
>an' official.
Such as, and please, be very specific. As I said, I don't remember everything, and also, my mind isn't what anyone around here would call sharp.
>Tis nae annathin' passive 'bout me, G, though Ah mos' assuredly willnae deny
>th' Ah am aggressive. Gav dost so enjoy th' 'bout me.
Hmm, all right, I will accept the correction here. Since I've seen many instances of aggressive insulting written by your magical quill. Unless, it's the one changing your words around, but no, I know you'll stand behind what's written and signed by yourself.
As for Gav enjoying the aggressive side of you,
Well, forgive me for giving a visual to everyone, but my wife enjoys the same thing about me.. being aggressive and all.
*G*
Date: 22 Sep 1999 04:07:37 EDT
>I refer thee t' Madame Silvertree's own comments, that she didst tell the
>Lady Topaz she wouldst nae inform Jaycynda th' an official acceptance needs
>mus' be tendered, yet Madame Silvertree took it upon 'erself ta request th'
>letter from Jaycynda.
Exactly where did she say this. It's actually possible I missed a post or something, I've gotten into the habit of skimming most posts these days due to time constraints.
>Ast t' flirtin' wi' thee, G, if'n Ah a gi' thee a wink now an' agin 'er blow
>thee a kiss, tis res' assured much less th' wh' Eros hae attempted.
Granted, I've seen prostitues flirt less than he does. But I was stating that you do indeed flirt, whether Gav or yourself don't consider it such.
>Tis nae anna vendetta, G, kindly dinna succumb t' Madame Silvertree's
>hyperbole.
And never would I succumb to her hyperbole. For I know an exaggeration when I see one. If you would like an honest opinion, if anyone's being hyperbolic, it's you. And it's okay to disagree, I understand that noone will feel guilty of such.
>T'would make nae anna difference in t' least who t'was wh' didst wh' she
>hast, Ah wouldst still make t' same comments.
I'm pleased to see this, at least. I'd dislike seeing you play favorites at all.
>Madame Silvertree indeed hast attempted t' interfer far beyond 'er duties ast
>an' official.
Such as, and please, be very specific. As I said, I don't remember everything, and also, my mind isn't what anyone around here would call sharp.
>Tis nae annathin' passive 'bout me, G, though Ah mos' assuredly willnae deny
>th' Ah am aggressive. Gav dost so enjoy th' 'bout me.
Hmm, all right, I will accept the correction here. Since I've seen many instances of aggressive insulting written by your magical quill. Unless, it's the one changing your words around, but no, I know you'll stand behind what's written and signed by yourself.
As for Gav enjoying the aggressive side of you,
Well, forgive me for giving a visual to everyone, but my wife enjoys the same thing about me.. being aggressive and all.
*G*
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From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 04:37:03 EDT
Just a sidenote.
When Eros was Overlord, few spent more time around him than I, and never once did I see him flirt with another woman. In fact, "Topaz" was roughly every fifth word out of his mouth.
Cassius Gaius Maximius
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Former Baron of the Sixth
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Date: 22 Sep 1999 04:37:03 EDT
Just a sidenote.
When Eros was Overlord, few spent more time around him than I, and never once did I see him flirt with another woman. In fact, "Topaz" was roughly every fifth word out of his mouth.
Cassius Gaius Maximius
Laylla's husband.
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Former Baron of the Sixth
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"I am an honorable man, but to duel me is not a pleasant experience, if only for the pain"
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 04:45:55 EDT
Madame Silvertree,
What feared thee that the felt thee mus' make comment? T'was mos' clear t' me th' th' Lady Topaz preferred a private conversation wi' Morgana. Thee took it 'pon yuirself t' make comment 'pon personal matters when neither t' Lady Topaz nor Morgana chose ta.
Ah mos' assuredly took note 'o wh' Eros did, lass, considerin' t'was mineself 'e wast pursuin'. Rest assured mine 'usband wast fully apprised 'o th' 'appenin'. Tis Ah dinna keep secrets from me darlin'. Gav also well knows 'e hae nae reason t' mistrust me ast well 'e knows Ah am able t' fend off anna over amourous advances.
Tis wh' hae thine belief th' thine current spouse be deceased hae t' do wi' yuir leavin' t' General? Tis more oft one wouldst leave a 'usband upon learnin' ones rightful spouse wast alive, nae deceased. Or dost claim thee thought t' General wast deceased an' ye didst seek elsewhere fer comfort? Madame, considerin' wh' th' Lady Topaz wast made t' endure, tis much ast if'n thee were t' pot callin' t' kettle black.
Tis ast thee hae said, Madame, tis th' duty 'o the Standings Keeper to see th' all requirements aire met. Tis nae yuir duty t' babysit t' challenger nor t' challenged, bu' t' stand neutral in t' matter an' simply attest th' all requirements be met. An' thee dinna do th' did thee, Madame. Ah seem t' recall another challenge where in thee sent a 'reminder' t' th' Barons 'o what their privileges be. T'was in t' matter 'o th' challenge where in t'
Baron Rix didst step in agin th' warlord Banda, whilst th' Baron Magnus also offered ta. Tis if'n th' wast sent by thee, unsolicited by anna 'o th' barons, wh' wouldst thee call th'?
Madame, by solicitin' a letter from th' former Baroness after t' duel, thee broke thine word ta th' Lady Topaz ast well thee precluded t' Council from lookin' inta th' matter hae th' Lady Topaz chosen ta go t' th' Council. By thine silence 'pon th' matter ast Standings Keeper thee whose job thee hae describe ast being ta see th' all requirements be met thee took it upon thyself ta improperly interfer again wi' a challenge, after th' fact. Thee dinna
do thine job, Madame, for thee stood silent until th' matter wast brought afore th' community. Further, Madame, fer t' Supervisor t' make adjudication before th' Council hae e'en hae time t' hae t' matter presented t' 'em smacks again 'o plans t' interfer wi' t' duties 'o t' Council. Tis in t' matter 'o Elijah's duel agin Daelin, t' match wast set aside for in th' t' duel wast ruled improper. Tis fer a senior official ta seemin'ly hae decided
aforehand wh' wouldst be t' outcome be more th' intimidatin' an' didst prove dauntin' t' th' Lady Topaz.
Tis nae a lie, Madame, for thee didst consider withholdin' th fact 'o Elijah's retirement, tis all one hae ta do ist ta peruse t' cork ta note thee added th' infermation after thee hae placed a copy 'o t' official standin's 'pon t' cork. Tis ta proof be in me possession, lass.
Tis thee be referin' ta yuir past challenge unta th' Baron Var Medici Giovanni, lass. I be referin' ta me 'ope th' in future thee aire nae ta 'old a seat 'pon ta Council whilst bein' an' official whose job it be ta' see th' all requirements be met. Since thee hae a penchant fer conductin' yuir job behind closed doors ast it were, anna rulin' comin' from thine 'and mus' be suspect ast well ast mos' 'o thine statements.
Madame, thee hae cast blame 'pon all bu' yuirself in this matter, an' hae hae yuir words thrown back upon thee wi' statements 'o fact, nae conjecture. Tis an amusin' question thee pose, Madame Silvertree, ast ta 'ow honor be served by insult. Madame, thee fair insult ta intelligence 'o th' community if'n thee believe thee aire above scrutiny. How ist honor served when those whose task it ist to be above question, ta be unbiased, ta be utterly
neutral in matters wh' deal wi' challenges hae been found upon more th' one occasion ta hae failed in their duties?
Shall Ah list a few 'o thine errors, Madame? Th' matter 'o Goldie's challenge unta Magnus, th' matter 'o Topaz's challenge unta Jaycynda, th' matter 'o Elijah's challenge unta Daelin, ta matter 'o yuir hired 'elp, Karen Jansen's announcin' afore either gentleman hae ta chance ta th' challenge 'o Eros unta Lord Dalamar ArD'aumon, th' matter 'o yuir unsolicited letter ta th' Barons involvin' ta challenge ta' th' the then Overlord Unagi Miyamoto. Tis
methinks tis bu' th' tip 'o th' iceberg, Madame.
Bluntly,
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 22 Sep 1999 04:45:55 EDT
Madame Silvertree,
What feared thee that the felt thee mus' make comment? T'was mos' clear t' me th' th' Lady Topaz preferred a private conversation wi' Morgana. Thee took it 'pon yuirself t' make comment 'pon personal matters when neither t' Lady Topaz nor Morgana chose ta.
Ah mos' assuredly took note 'o wh' Eros did, lass, considerin' t'was mineself 'e wast pursuin'. Rest assured mine 'usband wast fully apprised 'o th' 'appenin'. Tis Ah dinna keep secrets from me darlin'. Gav also well knows 'e hae nae reason t' mistrust me ast well 'e knows Ah am able t' fend off anna over amourous advances.
Tis wh' hae thine belief th' thine current spouse be deceased hae t' do wi' yuir leavin' t' General? Tis more oft one wouldst leave a 'usband upon learnin' ones rightful spouse wast alive, nae deceased. Or dost claim thee thought t' General wast deceased an' ye didst seek elsewhere fer comfort? Madame, considerin' wh' th' Lady Topaz wast made t' endure, tis much ast if'n thee were t' pot callin' t' kettle black.
Tis ast thee hae said, Madame, tis th' duty 'o the Standings Keeper to see th' all requirements aire met. Tis nae yuir duty t' babysit t' challenger nor t' challenged, bu' t' stand neutral in t' matter an' simply attest th' all requirements be met. An' thee dinna do th' did thee, Madame. Ah seem t' recall another challenge where in thee sent a 'reminder' t' th' Barons 'o what their privileges be. T'was in t' matter 'o th' challenge where in t'
Baron Rix didst step in agin th' warlord Banda, whilst th' Baron Magnus also offered ta. Tis if'n th' wast sent by thee, unsolicited by anna 'o th' barons, wh' wouldst thee call th'?
Madame, by solicitin' a letter from th' former Baroness after t' duel, thee broke thine word ta th' Lady Topaz ast well thee precluded t' Council from lookin' inta th' matter hae th' Lady Topaz chosen ta go t' th' Council. By thine silence 'pon th' matter ast Standings Keeper thee whose job thee hae describe ast being ta see th' all requirements be met thee took it upon thyself ta improperly interfer again wi' a challenge, after th' fact. Thee dinna
do thine job, Madame, for thee stood silent until th' matter wast brought afore th' community. Further, Madame, fer t' Supervisor t' make adjudication before th' Council hae e'en hae time t' hae t' matter presented t' 'em smacks again 'o plans t' interfer wi' t' duties 'o t' Council. Tis in t' matter 'o Elijah's duel agin Daelin, t' match wast set aside for in th' t' duel wast ruled improper. Tis fer a senior official ta seemin'ly hae decided
aforehand wh' wouldst be t' outcome be more th' intimidatin' an' didst prove dauntin' t' th' Lady Topaz.
Tis nae a lie, Madame, for thee didst consider withholdin' th fact 'o Elijah's retirement, tis all one hae ta do ist ta peruse t' cork ta note thee added th' infermation after thee hae placed a copy 'o t' official standin's 'pon t' cork. Tis ta proof be in me possession, lass.
Tis thee be referin' ta yuir past challenge unta th' Baron Var Medici Giovanni, lass. I be referin' ta me 'ope th' in future thee aire nae ta 'old a seat 'pon ta Council whilst bein' an' official whose job it be ta' see th' all requirements be met. Since thee hae a penchant fer conductin' yuir job behind closed doors ast it were, anna rulin' comin' from thine 'and mus' be suspect ast well ast mos' 'o thine statements.
Madame, thee hae cast blame 'pon all bu' yuirself in this matter, an' hae hae yuir words thrown back upon thee wi' statements 'o fact, nae conjecture. Tis an amusin' question thee pose, Madame Silvertree, ast ta 'ow honor be served by insult. Madame, thee fair insult ta intelligence 'o th' community if'n thee believe thee aire above scrutiny. How ist honor served when those whose task it ist to be above question, ta be unbiased, ta be utterly
neutral in matters wh' deal wi' challenges hae been found upon more th' one occasion ta hae failed in their duties?
Shall Ah list a few 'o thine errors, Madame? Th' matter 'o Goldie's challenge unta Magnus, th' matter 'o Topaz's challenge unta Jaycynda, th' matter 'o Elijah's challenge unta Daelin, ta matter 'o yuir hired 'elp, Karen Jansen's announcin' afore either gentleman hae ta chance ta th' challenge 'o Eros unta Lord Dalamar ArD'aumon, th' matter 'o yuir unsolicited letter ta th' Barons involvin' ta challenge ta' th' the then Overlord Unagi Miyamoto. Tis
methinks tis bu' th' tip 'o th' iceberg, Madame.
Bluntly,
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 04:59:12 EDT
...I see my sidenote was passed over. Ah well.
Cassius Gaius Maximius
Laylla's husband.
Roman pretorian
Reigning Baron of the Eighth
Former Baron of the Sixth
Mage in DoM
"I am an honorable man, but to duel me is not a pleasant experience, if only for the pain"
Date: 22 Sep 1999 04:59:12 EDT
...I see my sidenote was passed over. Ah well.
Cassius Gaius Maximius
Laylla's husband.
Roman pretorian
Reigning Baron of the Eighth
Former Baron of the Sixth
Mage in DoM
"I am an honorable man, but to duel me is not a pleasant experience, if only for the pain"
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From: morganalefay@aol.com (Morgana le Fay)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:36:07 EDT
" ...I see my sidenote was passed over. Ah well."
I see you suffer from Drakewyn syndrome where you believe each thing you write merits response.
Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:36:07 EDT
" ...I see my sidenote was passed over. Ah well."
I see you suffer from Drakewyn syndrome where you believe each thing you write merits response.
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From: carnage669@aol.com (Carnage669)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 11:26:59 EDT
It took too long for me to read the signature to even bother with what else you wrote...
Cletus
Date: 22 Sep 1999 11:26:59 EDT
It took too long for me to read the signature to even bother with what else you wrote...
Cletus
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 22 Sep 1999 11:31:22 EDT
Topaz~
Many thanks for the contribution in my name. I'm not sure if I deserve it, but I thank you anyway.
Drake~
I will not ask a specific person. I am speaking of *everyone*. Personal problems and faults (again, real or imagined) should not be brought up in a debate about a Challenge. Not by you, not by Morgan, and not by Jonalyn.
If *all* of you would stick to the point rather than picking each other to pieces like a bunch of hens, we might be able to get back to the subject at hand.
Again, I am not looking to you alone. Hopefully *all* of you will realize that before one of you begins wailing about injustice.
~Sidartha
Date: 22 Sep 1999 11:31:22 EDT
Topaz~
Many thanks for the contribution in my name. I'm not sure if I deserve it, but I thank you anyway.
Drake~
I will not ask a specific person. I am speaking of *everyone*. Personal problems and faults (again, real or imagined) should not be brought up in a debate about a Challenge. Not by you, not by Morgan, and not by Jonalyn.
If *all* of you would stick to the point rather than picking each other to pieces like a bunch of hens, we might be able to get back to the subject at hand.
Again, I am not looking to you alone. Hopefully *all* of you will realize that before one of you begins wailing about injustice.
~Sidartha