From: carnage669@aol.com (Carnage669)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 16:16:15 EDT
>It's common courtesy.
Oh yes...one thing we must always remember is to show proper edicit while we are getting or handing out an ass kicking.
>I don't think it should matter if a man knows your name or not,
Well obviously this is something that does matter to me. Like I said, people view things differently. Some things I have seen you do I find sickening.
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From: ladythesbe@aol.com (LadyThesbe)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 16:38:21 EDT
To state a few simple traditions of my land:
One-Whereas I realize this place is not constrained to the common traditions of dueling that bind and indeed create the code of honor in my own land, the first thing one must do is set forth challenge to a named opponent. In other words, to simply point and toss down your gauge would be the equivalent of a grave insult.
To garner honor from the duel names must be stated, you must issue challenge orally and receive a verbal agreement in return.
Two-Bowing to your opponent before your duel is the equivalent of a slap in the face. It shows a blatant disregard for the skill of the man or woman.
Again, because this place is not my homeland I realize that for some this practice of bowing is not meant as an insult and I would not consider it so, but to state emphatically that even an idiot would bow is arrogant and self righteous.
Not all cultures mirror all others and casting disparaging remarks in regard to time honored traditions from other lands holds no honor in itself.
Is this to state that I believe this Magnus acted as he did because his beliefs in some manner mirror my own? Of course not. I do not know him, nor do I know the one whose remarks I felt need to comment upon and so would not deign to assume I knew his mind.
A blanket remark about traditions revolving around a sport with such diverse participants seems to me absurd.
So long as the practice of another is not brazenly and purposefully offensive it should be tolerated.
Sincerely,
Thesbe
Date: 07 Oct 1999 16:38:21 EDT
To state a few simple traditions of my land:
One-Whereas I realize this place is not constrained to the common traditions of dueling that bind and indeed create the code of honor in my own land, the first thing one must do is set forth challenge to a named opponent. In other words, to simply point and toss down your gauge would be the equivalent of a grave insult.
To garner honor from the duel names must be stated, you must issue challenge orally and receive a verbal agreement in return.
Two-Bowing to your opponent before your duel is the equivalent of a slap in the face. It shows a blatant disregard for the skill of the man or woman.
Again, because this place is not my homeland I realize that for some this practice of bowing is not meant as an insult and I would not consider it so, but to state emphatically that even an idiot would bow is arrogant and self righteous.
Not all cultures mirror all others and casting disparaging remarks in regard to time honored traditions from other lands holds no honor in itself.
Is this to state that I believe this Magnus acted as he did because his beliefs in some manner mirror my own? Of course not. I do not know him, nor do I know the one whose remarks I felt need to comment upon and so would not deign to assume I knew his mind.
A blanket remark about traditions revolving around a sport with such diverse participants seems to me absurd.
So long as the practice of another is not brazenly and purposefully offensive it should be tolerated.
Sincerely,
Thesbe
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 16:48:08 EDT
Some things I have seen you do I find sickening.
We're not talking about me. I've done many, but that's irrelevant and nothing to do with the issue I'm speaking of. Anyway, I'm sure your brother can speak for himself.
Like I said, be the better man, as the saying goes - Atleast congratulate the man.
Oh, I forgot, he previously didn't know his name, a harmless mistake that lost someone's whole idea of honor upon him. Well, you spoke it, Cletus, but I'm quite confident Magnus has other reasons - But it still doesn't matter.
Yes, opinions, but can't an opinion be outrageous at times, too?
- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke
Date: 07 Oct 1999 16:48:08 EDT
Some things I have seen you do I find sickening.
We're not talking about me. I've done many, but that's irrelevant and nothing to do with the issue I'm speaking of. Anyway, I'm sure your brother can speak for himself.
Like I said, be the better man, as the saying goes - Atleast congratulate the man.
Oh, I forgot, he previously didn't know his name, a harmless mistake that lost someone's whole idea of honor upon him. Well, you spoke it, Cletus, but I'm quite confident Magnus has other reasons - But it still doesn't matter.
Yes, opinions, but can't an opinion be outrageous at times, too?
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 17:08:00 EDT
The commoner amusedly listens as Sidie Poo attempts to manage an accent. Laughing softly she calls out after Sid's departing figure, "Och, lassie, 'ow utterly amusin' th' thee wouldst attempt mine accent after yuir snide comments 'bout nae bein' able t' understand me. If'n thee be seekin' ta imitate me, lassie, tis right flatterin' though res' assured Madame, thee dost certes manage right poorly." The woman tacks a note to the cork
leaving a pouch of gold coins secured with a ribbon.
Madame Elgarette,
Perchance if'n thee hae th' intestinal fortitude ta leave a note 'pon th' cork, thee shall find a
a bit 'o gold ta purchase a crayon fer yuir jottings. Perchance thee wouldst also consider voice lessons, Madame. Tis 'ighly amusin' an' right flattering that thee wish ta attempt ta imitate mine accent. Perchance thee wouldst take ta instructions in thine attempt ta acquire a new talent, though sad ta say, thee aire likely ta be doomed ta yuir usual failure. Madame, thine attempt reminds me 'o the eve that an apparently drunken Eros De Burgo
didst attempt ta sound like another. Comical if ast well pitiable. Truly, Madame, thou deserve ta be pitied. Ast usual, I shall put thine behavior down to thine creeping senility ast well ast the likelihood thee hae ne'er recovered thine wit in the long years since thine suicide.
Helpfully,
Jonalyn Starfare
The woman's soft laughter echoes as she continues to peruse the various missives.
Date: 07 Oct 1999 17:08:00 EDT
The commoner amusedly listens as Sidie Poo attempts to manage an accent. Laughing softly she calls out after Sid's departing figure, "Och, lassie, 'ow utterly amusin' th' thee wouldst attempt mine accent after yuir snide comments 'bout nae bein' able t' understand me. If'n thee be seekin' ta imitate me, lassie, tis right flatterin' though res' assured Madame, thee dost certes manage right poorly." The woman tacks a note to the cork
leaving a pouch of gold coins secured with a ribbon.
Madame Elgarette,
Perchance if'n thee hae th' intestinal fortitude ta leave a note 'pon th' cork, thee shall find a
a bit 'o gold ta purchase a crayon fer yuir jottings. Perchance thee wouldst also consider voice lessons, Madame. Tis 'ighly amusin' an' right flattering that thee wish ta attempt ta imitate mine accent. Perchance thee wouldst take ta instructions in thine attempt ta acquire a new talent, though sad ta say, thee aire likely ta be doomed ta yuir usual failure. Madame, thine attempt reminds me 'o the eve that an apparently drunken Eros De Burgo
didst attempt ta sound like another. Comical if ast well pitiable. Truly, Madame, thou deserve ta be pitied. Ast usual, I shall put thine behavior down to thine creeping senility ast well ast the likelihood thee hae ne'er recovered thine wit in the long years since thine suicide.
Helpfully,
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: jeffoakenshield@aol.com (Jeff Oakenshield)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 17:18:24 EDT
Sidartha,
Funny how you always said Jona was a master at sidestepping a logical debate, yet now you dance da two step better dan any I've seen in a long time. Only reason I needed leverage, is because you rarely answer da question being asked of you. In most of Jona's posts, she points out a flaw in yer argumentation. In response, you claim she is merely spreading hate and you won't dignify her with an appropriate response.
If yer gonna pull da same crap with me Sid, I'm gonna call ya on it. Point of my post was yer pickin' on Magnus cause its convient ta hop on da anti-Magnus bandwagon and ya must feel bigger about yerself if ya can kick da man while he's down. Many a dueler has left da ring without a formal salute because dey were upset or sad dey lost, yet you haven't found it necessary ta berate any of 'em previous ta Magnus.
So, dear Sidartha, how about instead of yer normal "Your mean you don't get a response" crying, show me yer logical point of view which explains why Magnus deserves yer crap and not all da other offenders.
Later on I'll get back ta callin' ya a clueless fool who has no idea what's going on in a challenge. But fer now, please just satisfy my desire ta know why Magnus is so special as ta deserve yer BS when none others of equal qualification got it.
~J
PS: If ya can't Sid, maybe ya better post an apology ta Magnus stead of more nonsense.
Date: 07 Oct 1999 17:18:24 EDT
Sidartha,
Funny how you always said Jona was a master at sidestepping a logical debate, yet now you dance da two step better dan any I've seen in a long time. Only reason I needed leverage, is because you rarely answer da question being asked of you. In most of Jona's posts, she points out a flaw in yer argumentation. In response, you claim she is merely spreading hate and you won't dignify her with an appropriate response.
If yer gonna pull da same crap with me Sid, I'm gonna call ya on it. Point of my post was yer pickin' on Magnus cause its convient ta hop on da anti-Magnus bandwagon and ya must feel bigger about yerself if ya can kick da man while he's down. Many a dueler has left da ring without a formal salute because dey were upset or sad dey lost, yet you haven't found it necessary ta berate any of 'em previous ta Magnus.
So, dear Sidartha, how about instead of yer normal "Your mean you don't get a response" crying, show me yer logical point of view which explains why Magnus deserves yer crap and not all da other offenders.
Later on I'll get back ta callin' ya a clueless fool who has no idea what's going on in a challenge. But fer now, please just satisfy my desire ta know why Magnus is so special as ta deserve yer BS when none others of equal qualification got it.
~J
PS: If ya can't Sid, maybe ya better post an apology ta Magnus stead of more nonsense.
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From: jeffoakenshield@aol.com (Jeff Oakenshield)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 17:21:22 EDT
"The "you don't have a title, you don't have a right to have an opinion" argument is old and should be retired."
I got one more comment ta make.
Next time Elijah uses da same exact argument on Jonalyn, Sidartha, I fully expect ya ta tell him da same quotation ya told me? Okay?
Funny how you support such a view when its anti-Jona, and cry foul when its anti-you.
Typical hypocracy....
~J
Date: 07 Oct 1999 17:21:22 EDT
"The "you don't have a title, you don't have a right to have an opinion" argument is old and should be retired."
I got one more comment ta make.
Next time Elijah uses da same exact argument on Jonalyn, Sidartha, I fully expect ya ta tell him da same quotation ya told me? Okay?
Funny how you support such a view when its anti-Jona, and cry foul when its anti-you.
Typical hypocracy....
~J
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 17:44:40 EDT
Thesbe
Tis perchance thee were nae aware that Long Wang Lo didst in fact issue challenge unta a named opponent. Indeed, tis seemin' th' name 'e chose ta use be what ist oft th' name writ upon th' various kiosks that some 'o th' duelist maintain ta receive missives.
Thine statement that to garner honor from a duel requires a name to be stated, thou perhaps tis so in thine homeland, tis nae necessarily so within the sport. Tis certain 'o the duelist what indeed aire nameless, yet nae honor ist lost in dueling them. T'was at one time a Baron what 'eld th' Fifth Ring whose given name wast ne'er revealed.
Tis I know nae annathing 'o thine homeland, lass, bu' must say tis nae manna places I am acquainted wi' what considering bowing to be an insult. Och, well, ta each 'is or 'er own custom, for tis ast well some duelist what nae do offer th' courtesy. Tis Billy Ray be one wh' dinna feel ta need ta nor didst 'is failure ta do so detract from 'is honor, at least nae in ta eyes 'o those 'o us what know 'im an' his ways. Tis few, rest assured, wh'
wouldst cast ta epithet 'o idiot upon Billy, th' ist unless they be lookin' fer a sound beatin'.
Thine statement, "So long as th' practice of another is nae brazenly an' purposefully offensive it shouldst be tolerated." doest lead me ta inquire 'o thee what thee wouldst find brazen or offensive. Tis certes that some hae found certain deeds ta be highly offensive, whilst others seemin'ly find such acceptable. Tis perhaps th' only deed th' didst seem ta draw th' collective ire 'o th' community wast th' attempted destruction an' desecration 'o
th' Eighth Ring by t' former Baron called Methous. Tis ast well certes th' deeds 'o lesser degree hae drawn t' ire 'o portions 'o th' community, whilst these same deeds didst draw support an were condoned, condoned I might add by e'en senior officials, those whose duty tis ta fairly an' in an unbiased manner govern this ancient sport. Tis ast I hae stated, I know nae annathin' 'o thine 'omeland, bu' wouldst certes wish ta learn wh' thou wouldst
find intolerable.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 07 Oct 1999 17:44:40 EDT
Thesbe
Tis perchance thee were nae aware that Long Wang Lo didst in fact issue challenge unta a named opponent. Indeed, tis seemin' th' name 'e chose ta use be what ist oft th' name writ upon th' various kiosks that some 'o th' duelist maintain ta receive missives.
Thine statement that to garner honor from a duel requires a name to be stated, thou perhaps tis so in thine homeland, tis nae necessarily so within the sport. Tis certain 'o the duelist what indeed aire nameless, yet nae honor ist lost in dueling them. T'was at one time a Baron what 'eld th' Fifth Ring whose given name wast ne'er revealed.
Tis I know nae annathing 'o thine homeland, lass, bu' must say tis nae manna places I am acquainted wi' what considering bowing to be an insult. Och, well, ta each 'is or 'er own custom, for tis ast well some duelist what nae do offer th' courtesy. Tis Billy Ray be one wh' dinna feel ta need ta nor didst 'is failure ta do so detract from 'is honor, at least nae in ta eyes 'o those 'o us what know 'im an' his ways. Tis few, rest assured, wh'
wouldst cast ta epithet 'o idiot upon Billy, th' ist unless they be lookin' fer a sound beatin'.
Thine statement, "So long as th' practice of another is nae brazenly an' purposefully offensive it shouldst be tolerated." doest lead me ta inquire 'o thee what thee wouldst find brazen or offensive. Tis certes that some hae found certain deeds ta be highly offensive, whilst others seemin'ly find such acceptable. Tis perhaps th' only deed th' didst seem ta draw th' collective ire 'o th' community wast th' attempted destruction an' desecration 'o
th' Eighth Ring by t' former Baron called Methous. Tis ast well certes th' deeds 'o lesser degree hae drawn t' ire 'o portions 'o th' community, whilst these same deeds didst draw support an were condoned, condoned I might add by e'en senior officials, those whose duty tis ta fairly an' in an unbiased manner govern this ancient sport. Tis ast I hae stated, I know nae annathin' 'o thine 'omeland, bu' wouldst certes wish ta learn wh' thou wouldst
find intolerable.
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 18:04:45 EDT
Jeffrey:
Magnus' complete failure to so much as acknowledge the Overlord after the duel was only outstripped in its crassness by the Overlord's complete failure to acknowledge Magnus.
Insofar as I've lost a ring to someone I don't like or feel a need to respect, yet still feel this way... I'll trust that you grasp the irrelevance of your comment to Sidartha.
Interesting you did bring Elijah into it; I'd never have expected you, of all people, to use his hackneyed and tired "You've never done it, therefore you have no reason to speak about it" argument.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
Date: 07 Oct 1999 18:04:45 EDT
Jeffrey:
Magnus' complete failure to so much as acknowledge the Overlord after the duel was only outstripped in its crassness by the Overlord's complete failure to acknowledge Magnus.
Insofar as I've lost a ring to someone I don't like or feel a need to respect, yet still feel this way... I'll trust that you grasp the irrelevance of your comment to Sidartha.
Interesting you did bring Elijah into it; I'd never have expected you, of all people, to use his hackneyed and tired "You've never done it, therefore you have no reason to speak about it" argument.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 18:10:34 EDT
Thesbe:
You note that bowing before the duel is an insult in your homeland. Unfortunately, the issue is not about bowing at all, nor is it about what happened before the duel. It is about what did not happen -after- the duel.
When one is bested in honorable combat for title, one should, at the very least, acknowledge the victor. When one bests another in honorable combat for title, one should, at the very least, acknowledge the defeated. It's painfully simple. Yet these two duelers completely failed to do so.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
Date: 07 Oct 1999 18:10:34 EDT
Thesbe:
You note that bowing before the duel is an insult in your homeland. Unfortunately, the issue is not about bowing at all, nor is it about what happened before the duel. It is about what did not happen -after- the duel.
When one is bested in honorable combat for title, one should, at the very least, acknowledge the victor. When one bests another in honorable combat for title, one should, at the very least, acknowledge the defeated. It's painfully simple. Yet these two duelers completely failed to do so.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 18:10:34 EDT
Thesbe:
You note that bowing before the duel is an insult in your homeland. Unfortunately, the issue is not about bowing at all, nor is it about what happened before the duel. It is about what did not happen -after- the duel.
When one is bested in honorable combat for title, one should, at the very least, acknowledge the victor. When one bests another in honorable combat for title, one should, at the very least, acknowledge the defeated. It's painfully simple. Yet these two duelers completely failed to do so.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
Date: 07 Oct 1999 18:10:34 EDT
Thesbe:
You note that bowing before the duel is an insult in your homeland. Unfortunately, the issue is not about bowing at all, nor is it about what happened before the duel. It is about what did not happen -after- the duel.
When one is bested in honorable combat for title, one should, at the very least, acknowledge the victor. When one bests another in honorable combat for title, one should, at the very least, acknowledge the defeated. It's painfully simple. Yet these two duelers completely failed to do so.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 18:19:21 EDT
"If yer gonna pull da same crap with me Sid, I'm gonna call ya on it. Point of my post was yer pickin' on Magnus cause its convient ta hop on da anti-Magnus bandwagon and ya must feel bigger about yerself if ya can kick da man while he's down."
How sweet of you to tell me how *I* feel.
"Many a dueler has left da ring without a formal salute because dey were upset or sad dey lost, yet you haven't found it necessary ta berate any of 'em previous ta Magnus."
Who said anything about a formal salute? Good gods, neither men even acknowledge each others' *presence*. How hard is it for a simple "good job", "well fought" or whatever? Not even a nod to the other man? *Something*??
"So, dear Sidartha, how about instead of yer normal "Your mean you don't get a response" crying, show me yer logical point of view which explains why Magnus deserves yer crap and not all da other offenders."
When in the world did I say that?
"Later on I'll get back ta callin' ya a clueless fool who has no idea what's going on in a challenge. But fer now, please just satisfy my desire ta know why Magnus is so special as ta deserve yer BS when none others of equal qualification got it."
What in the world are you talking about? Elijah? I'm sure he knows my position.
You've changed, Jeffrey. Once you've returned, you suddenly became argumentative...somehow "better" than all of us. I wish I knew what happened to you in your absence.
Sadly,
~Sidartha
Date: 07 Oct 1999 18:19:21 EDT
"If yer gonna pull da same crap with me Sid, I'm gonna call ya on it. Point of my post was yer pickin' on Magnus cause its convient ta hop on da anti-Magnus bandwagon and ya must feel bigger about yerself if ya can kick da man while he's down."
How sweet of you to tell me how *I* feel.
"Many a dueler has left da ring without a formal salute because dey were upset or sad dey lost, yet you haven't found it necessary ta berate any of 'em previous ta Magnus."
Who said anything about a formal salute? Good gods, neither men even acknowledge each others' *presence*. How hard is it for a simple "good job", "well fought" or whatever? Not even a nod to the other man? *Something*??
"So, dear Sidartha, how about instead of yer normal "Your mean you don't get a response" crying, show me yer logical point of view which explains why Magnus deserves yer crap and not all da other offenders."
When in the world did I say that?
"Later on I'll get back ta callin' ya a clueless fool who has no idea what's going on in a challenge. But fer now, please just satisfy my desire ta know why Magnus is so special as ta deserve yer BS when none others of equal qualification got it."
What in the world are you talking about? Elijah? I'm sure he knows my position.
You've changed, Jeffrey. Once you've returned, you suddenly became argumentative...somehow "better" than all of us. I wish I knew what happened to you in your absence.
Sadly,
~Sidartha
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From: ladythesbe@aol.com (LadyThesbe)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 19:25:29 EDT
Forgive me for not putting a clearer note on what words I was responding to, for it was nearly in whole in reference to the post made by Sir Drey and his comments.
I did not mean to imply that bowing or nae was the main focus of the entire situation, for I was not present for the challenge match, but that a man should not be named idiot because he did not conform to the standards set by Sir Drey.
Sir Ian I did not mean to imply that common curtesies should be neglected in whole. Indeed I can see that perhaps I should have taken this matter up with Sir Drey in person so that my narrow point was made concisely.
Lady Jonalyn, there is a long story that is told to children in my homeland to explain the custom of nae bowing to an opponent, a quick aside-we have long and detailed ceremonies before a duel between Knights are engaged-if you have interest, at some time I would be honored to relate the tale.
As for what I would consider intolerable here, that is also a difficult thing to innumerate. I have read upon this board the incident concerning Methous and that would be an example of an act that would offend me.
As this is not my homeland there is much here I would overlook byways of behavior in others because I am a firm believer in being open minded.
When I engage in duels in this land I usually offer a short comment and a nod of respect to both my opponent and the official, which I repeat when the duel is completed. I have not yet entered the rings of the Arena but when I do that will be the manner in which I approach the duel.
I hope I have addressed the concerns presented by Lady Jonalyn and Sir Ian. If I have not made clear my intent please query on the specific.
I plan on wandering about the halls this week, should you desire a conversation to crystallize my views.
Sincerely,
Thesbe
Date: 07 Oct 1999 19:25:29 EDT
Forgive me for not putting a clearer note on what words I was responding to, for it was nearly in whole in reference to the post made by Sir Drey and his comments.
I did not mean to imply that bowing or nae was the main focus of the entire situation, for I was not present for the challenge match, but that a man should not be named idiot because he did not conform to the standards set by Sir Drey.
Sir Ian I did not mean to imply that common curtesies should be neglected in whole. Indeed I can see that perhaps I should have taken this matter up with Sir Drey in person so that my narrow point was made concisely.
Lady Jonalyn, there is a long story that is told to children in my homeland to explain the custom of nae bowing to an opponent, a quick aside-we have long and detailed ceremonies before a duel between Knights are engaged-if you have interest, at some time I would be honored to relate the tale.
As for what I would consider intolerable here, that is also a difficult thing to innumerate. I have read upon this board the incident concerning Methous and that would be an example of an act that would offend me.
As this is not my homeland there is much here I would overlook byways of behavior in others because I am a firm believer in being open minded.
When I engage in duels in this land I usually offer a short comment and a nod of respect to both my opponent and the official, which I repeat when the duel is completed. I have not yet entered the rings of the Arena but when I do that will be the manner in which I approach the duel.
I hope I have addressed the concerns presented by Lady Jonalyn and Sir Ian. If I have not made clear my intent please query on the specific.
I plan on wandering about the halls this week, should you desire a conversation to crystallize my views.
Sincerely,
Thesbe
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 20:25:34 EDT
I was only pointing out a small congratulations should do, not a royal bow for the almighty winner where to almost bite your knees. I never set any standards, just doing what I believe -should- be done.
I only named them idiot because they neglected a righteous attitude. Even the winner.
- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke
Date: 07 Oct 1999 20:25:34 EDT
I was only pointing out a small congratulations should do, not a royal bow for the almighty winner where to almost bite your knees. I never set any standards, just doing what I believe -should- be done.
I only named them idiot because they neglected a righteous attitude. Even the winner.
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From: maxim128@aol.com (Maxim128)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 21:16:48 EDT
>Magnus,
> You were the title holder. You show him justice. You bow, salute, or
>whatever no matter who it is.
Since when have you been able to tell me what I need to do? And just because I am the title holder means that I must bow, yet since he challenged, he does not need to do anything?
>Is this a tradition as well?
It could be your tradition, but maybe not my tradition.
And as for some of my reasons for not bowing to LongWang (or RongWang as he now seems to spell his name) following the match, he once called me "Maxim" and said he goes by what he knows. However, he never did tell me just where "Maxim" did come from. That wasn't such a big thing, but he acted very stubbornly when I was trying to set up the match between us. He pretty much was against any choice I made, and I was just sick of it. So, after I
lost, of course I was upset, and I didn't bow. Too hard to understand? I personally don't think its such a big deal, but Im sure you will tell me otherwise.
~Magnus~
Date: 07 Oct 1999 21:16:48 EDT
>Magnus,
> You were the title holder. You show him justice. You bow, salute, or
>whatever no matter who it is.
Since when have you been able to tell me what I need to do? And just because I am the title holder means that I must bow, yet since he challenged, he does not need to do anything?
>Is this a tradition as well?
It could be your tradition, but maybe not my tradition.
And as for some of my reasons for not bowing to LongWang (or RongWang as he now seems to spell his name) following the match, he once called me "Maxim" and said he goes by what he knows. However, he never did tell me just where "Maxim" did come from. That wasn't such a big thing, but he acted very stubbornly when I was trying to set up the match between us. He pretty much was against any choice I made, and I was just sick of it. So, after I
lost, of course I was upset, and I didn't bow. Too hard to understand? I personally don't think its such a big deal, but Im sure you will tell me otherwise.
~Magnus~
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 07 Oct 1999 23:42:48 EDT
Ian,
T'was nae annathin' irrelevant in Jeffrey's comments ta Madame Elgarette. Tis Sidie Poo ast be 'er usual wont be spoutin' 'er hypocritical drivel an' Jeffrey didst call 'er 'pon it. Tis so like Madame Elgarette ta speak outta both sides 'o 'er mouth an' ta' whimper an' whine when 'er hypocrisy be noted. Tis indeed, Sid be spoutin' ta usual rhetoric wh' be spouted by Elijah. Tis also, Ian, though thee perchance nae noticed, Madame Elgarette took
nae notice atall 'o either Magnus' or Long's behavior until after others hae commented. Yet ast be 'er wont, she decries their behavior whilst seemin' ta condone it in others. There in lies th' crux 'o ta matter, save th' such behavior ist apparently inborn an' ingrained in Madame Elgarette.
Certes, thee hae ne'er wavered in thine feelin's wi' respect ta wh' may be considered a basic courtesy followin' a challenge match, or fer th' matter anna duel. Unlike thee, Madame Elgarette be rather new come ta th' attitude. Tis thee shall forgive me if'n I find Madame Elgarette's comments with regard ta Jeffrey th' 'e hae suddenly become argumentative an' somehow better th' all 'o us, another 'o her usual wild statements ast well ast insultin'
ta Jeffrey. Her addin' th' word 'sadly' ta 'er signature be merely 'er usual attempt ta garner sympathy fer 'erself ast ta poor put upon female. Next tis likely ta hae 'er weepin' an' moanin' an' wishin' ta be pitied fer makin' a total arse 'o 'erself.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 07 Oct 1999 23:42:48 EDT
Ian,
T'was nae annathin' irrelevant in Jeffrey's comments ta Madame Elgarette. Tis Sidie Poo ast be 'er usual wont be spoutin' 'er hypocritical drivel an' Jeffrey didst call 'er 'pon it. Tis so like Madame Elgarette ta speak outta both sides 'o 'er mouth an' ta' whimper an' whine when 'er hypocrisy be noted. Tis indeed, Sid be spoutin' ta usual rhetoric wh' be spouted by Elijah. Tis also, Ian, though thee perchance nae noticed, Madame Elgarette took
nae notice atall 'o either Magnus' or Long's behavior until after others hae commented. Yet ast be 'er wont, she decries their behavior whilst seemin' ta condone it in others. There in lies th' crux 'o ta matter, save th' such behavior ist apparently inborn an' ingrained in Madame Elgarette.
Certes, thee hae ne'er wavered in thine feelin's wi' respect ta wh' may be considered a basic courtesy followin' a challenge match, or fer th' matter anna duel. Unlike thee, Madame Elgarette be rather new come ta th' attitude. Tis thee shall forgive me if'n I find Madame Elgarette's comments with regard ta Jeffrey th' 'e hae suddenly become argumentative an' somehow better th' all 'o us, another 'o her usual wild statements ast well ast insultin'
ta Jeffrey. Her addin' th' word 'sadly' ta 'er signature be merely 'er usual attempt ta garner sympathy fer 'erself ast ta poor put upon female. Next tis likely ta hae 'er weepin' an' moanin' an' wishin' ta be pitied fer makin' a total arse 'o 'erself.
Jonalyn Starfare