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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:30 am

From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 02 Apr 2000 20:56:23 EDT

Jonalyn,

If brains were dynamite, you couldn't blow your nose.







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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:30 am

From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 10:59:30 EDT

"Previously, Drakewyn made an error when she told Xeric that he had enough legitimate peer wins to challenge. Unfortunately, as we all know by now, that was not the case. Normally in an invalid challenge, the right to challenge is lost for the remainder of the cycle. However, in this case, the error was not made by the challenger."

Lord Evermeadow:

Unless I am confused as to the particulars of the initial situation - and I admit I may be - I'm at a loss as to how submitting a list of qualifications which contains the same party twice translates to "the error was not made by the challenger."

If, indeed, the Warlord did submit his qualifications, and said list was in error, then the question of Lady Silvertree's erroneous validation of the challenge is irrelevant - for had she not erred, she would have invalidated the challenge, no?

Therefore, if I'm understanding all that has transpired, I think an explanation is necessary.

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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:30 am

From: tinytopaz@aol.com (TinyTopaz)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 14:22:50 EDT

Var,

None of yer elaborations were needed, yet you seem to need some. If you'd like to look me up for those, feel free to do so.

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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:31 am

From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 17:40:48 EDT

Drey,

Since, more oft th' nae, tis ye wh' be doin' ta snivelin', Ah trus' thee hae a 'anky 'andy, boyo, since wh' thee hae fer brains ist likely ta be ta liquid mos' oft seen in yuir sleeve.

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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:31 am

From: karnafexx@aol.com (Karnafexx)
Date: 04 Apr 2000 02:18:38 EDT

Ok...Xeric screwed up by improperly challenging, Drake screwed up by validating an iproper challenge and now Val screws up by revalidating a list of peer wins that were invalid when the origional improper challenge was sent.

LeHO-ze-Hers.

One of you people on the management end need to get your ass motivated and grow a backbone so you can deliver a proper ruling.

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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:31 am

From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 04 Apr 2000 06:31:18 EDT

"Since, more oft th' nae, tis ye wh' be doin' ta snivelin', Ah trus' thee hae a 'anky 'andy, boyo, since wh' thee hae fer brains ist likely ta be ta liquid mos' oft seen in yuir sleeve."

Jonalyn,

In all honestly you're correct. You're quite the contagious disease, and I'm sure a "hanky" would only smudge the stain.

Here, I found a quote for you.

"She sits there in senile dementia with a gangrene heart and rotting brain, grimacing at every reform, chattering impotently at all things that are decent, frothing, fuming, violently gibbering, going down to her grave in snarling infamy ... disgraceful, depraved ... and putrescent."

Really though, the best time for you to open your mouth is to change feet.





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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:31 am

From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 04 Apr 2000 22:15:10 EDT

Master Starke,

Mine condolences. Ah dinna know ye hae such a pitiful excuse fer a mother, though th' dost go a verra long way ta explainin' 'ow ye came ta be a contaminant in ta gene pool.

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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:31 am

From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 04 Apr 2000 22:35:57 EDT

Okay, I'm gonna stick my proverbial rear on the chopping block here, but here goes....
I may not possess the years that Jona or Ian hold within DoS and I may have a different understanding of the rules then others. As I see it here, we have a Warlord that took pen in hand and wrote a missive indicating challenge issuance to Baron Mortis.
1. At this point it was a challenge like any other.
This hand written challenge, written by no one but Xeric, was validated by the Standings Keeper.
2. We're still following the course of a regular challenge in DoS.
After validation, the double entry of a peer win is found.
3. At this point, the challenge becomes an illegal challenge.
Now we have the Warlord trying to withdraw the challenge.
4. Too late, the challenge was written by the Warlord, not the Standings Keeper; and was validated when it shouldn't have been.

So, the way I see it is.....first fault goes to the Warlord for issuing an illegal challenge. I, as many here, have issued a challenge. I know that when I decided to challenge, I crossed my t's and dotted my i's. Xeric failed to do that.....ergo, his punishment should follow the same rules he was supposed to follow when issuing his challenge.
Young Master Evermeadow has seen fit to indicate the SK's was at fault as well, but the SK's fault lies after the fact. I believe the only fair decision here would be, either the Warlord keeps his peer wins and loses right to challenge for the remainder of the cycle...or...the Warlord loses his peer wins and retains the right to challenge.
Just my opinion, nothing personal directed at anyone.

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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:31 am

From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 04 Apr 2000 22:45:26 EDT

Jonalyn,

Before you go off on some tangent about genes, and the gods know where you thought of all that, I wonder how you entered a gene pool. Got into the pool without the lifeguard watching?

I'm sure your mother had at least a room temperature IQ to raise such a fantastic child.

Keep babblin'.

Amused,





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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:32 am

From: hostdfcval@aol.com (HOST DFC Val)
Date: 05 Apr 2000 00:01:28 EDT

Duelists,

In the hopes of preventing some of you from writing more asinine comments, I'll explain in greater detail.

For several weeks, there was mass confusion with some of Xeric's peer wins. This was attributed to a mixture of missing reports and a few missing duels from reports that were already gathered, and compounded by Xeric's grating impatience. When the situation was resolved, Xeric asked Drakewyn a series of questions about his peer wins, including whether or not he had enough to challenge. Drakewyn mistakenly acknowledged that he did, and events
followed that you all already know of. Given the amount of disorder with Xeric's peer wins, I had no problem with him asking these questions. Before any of you decide to raise a comment about it, because I know you will, let me say that it is not normal practice to check peer wins before a challenge is issued. I made the call to make the exception in this case.

Although Xeric may have issued an improper challenge, it was in part due to an error made by Drakewyn. A mistake she admitted to and apologized for. I suppose we can arrange a public flogging for her if it will sate your unquenchable thirst for punishment. Otherwise I consider this matter closed. Have a nice day.

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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:32 am

From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 05 Apr 2000 03:10:40 EDT

The woman sets quill to parchment, then tacks the note to the cork.


Master Valentine Evermeadow,

Sir, tis nothing asinine in requesting, nae, e'en to demanding that the community be apprised 'o matters which nae only affect individuals but also reflect on the future of the sport itself.

Thee hae stated that the warlord, Xeric Mues, didst in fact issue improper challenge. Yet the warlord suffered nae penalty fer his own shortcomings.

Ye hae also stated that Madame Silvertree mistakenly validated an illegal challenge, again, and again the community ist given short shrift.

Ast to there being what thee hae termed ast mass confusion, purportedly due to certain 'o the staff nae performing their duties in a timely manner, shall the community then look forward to future bias and exceptions due to the failures of yuir staff ast well ast to the ignorance shown by anna warlord what hast nae th' wit to issue proper challenge?

I do ask again, Master Valentine Evermeadow, how much longer shall the community be held to the continuing ineptitude displayed by Madame Silvertree? She be merely a counter of beans and apparently the wench canna count, nor apparently couldst the then warlord, Xeric Mues. Perhaps a case of the blind leading the blind, sir?

Master Evermeadow, indeed, Madame Silvertree offered apology, but only when the matter came to the fore. Most assuredly, she wouldst hae hidden the matter from the eyes of the community hae she been able ta. She hast repeatedly spouted that tis nae the business 'o the community what she does and hast repeatedly been caught out in her tamperings, her blithe ignorance of the rules of engagement, ast well ast her apparent need to hold herself
ast martyred shouldst she be questioned with regard to her handling of various matters pertaining to the challenge processes.

Master Evermeadow, public flogging be a punishment fer certain crimes in mine homeland 'o Westridge. Howe'er, the crime of incompetence there more oft proves to be the death of the inhabitants and ast such ist punished more severely.

Were a public flogging to have anna hope of instilling in Madame Silvertree the least bit 'o competence, rest assured, sir, I wouldst nae in the least mind wielding the whip. Since, howe'er, tis long been known that one canna beat sense, wisdom, competence or annathing else into the likes of Madame Silvertree, t'would be merely an exercise in futility.

The community wouldst best be served if'n the addled, arrogant, incompetent wench showed the gumption, nae ta mention the sense to resign her duties ast Keeper of the Standings and for thee, sir, to seek out someone who can manage the task with a modicum of ability.

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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:32 am

From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 05 Apr 2000 11:54:00 EDT

"Although Xeric may have issued an improper challenge, it was in part due to an error made by Drakewyn."

Lord Evermeadow:

THAT is the piece of information which either I missed, or wasn't stated publicly. That being the case, I understand your decision, and am content.

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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:32 am

From: morganalefay@aol.com (Morgana le Fay)
Date: 05 Apr 2000 12:14:01 EDT

What was so hard about stating all this much, much earlier?

All we knew is that Drakewyn apologized for validating peer wins after Xeric made his challenge, which is, of course, the reason why there are all these "asinine" comments and complaints.

Kindly be more responsive and forthcoming if you would prefer less "asinine" commentary. Perhaps you might have learned that had you spoken sooner, this would not have gone this far.
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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:33 am

From: hostdfcval@aol.com (HOST DFC Val)
Date: 05 Apr 2000 14:34:40 EDT

For those of you who missed it the first time I wrote of it, here's an exact replica of a portion of the first statement I placed on this board:

Previously, Drakewyn made an error when she told Xeric that he had enough legitimate peer wins to challenge.

I thought it was pretty self-explanatory at the time that Xeric's challenge was due to an error that Drakewyn made.

As for you, Lady Starfare, you seem to have an inexplicable interest in either the position of standings keeper or in Lady Drakewyn herself. Since you've often called for Drakewyn's removal from her post, perhaps you're interested in solely the position. If that's the case, maybe you would like to volunteer your services to maintain the standings. Let me know if you'd like an application. Have a nice day.

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Post by DoS Archive » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:33 am

From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 05 Apr 2000 21:29:50 EDT

Master Valentine Evermeadow,

I hae nae particular interest in Madame Drakewyn Alabaster Silvertree, sir, beyond that her continued incompetence in performing her duties ast Standings Keeper hast again presented unto the community further indication that the duties appears to be beyond her capabilities.

Be mindful, sir that when the position wast resigned by Bridgette DiGregorio, the one named to keep the standings wast one Karen Jansen. Madame Silvertree later stated it was she that hae hired Ms. Jansen to handle the duties. I shall point out to thee that such hiring of annaone be nae within Madame Silvertree's purview.

Further, sir, Karen Jansen displayed manna shortcomings during her brief tenure none the least of which wast the matter of the challenge issued unto the Lord Dalamar Ar'Daumon by the warlord Eros de Burgo. When relieved of her duties following Madame Silvertree's recovery from the birth of a daughter, Madame Silvertree proceeded to tamper with the official standings list, removing warlords whilst retaining those of lesser rank. Be mindful sir, that
those decisions fell within the province of yuir father and nae within the province of Madame Silvertree. Nor at anna time hae yuir father indicated publicly that he hae given o'er his discretionary privilege unto Madame Silvertree.

Further, sir, the wench hast on numerous occasions rendered faulty and in some cases inexplicable rulings, which, when brought before the community, were overturned.

Madame Silvertree hast conveniently claimed that she didst lose the missives containing the bona fides of one Warlord Goldie given when said warlord didst offer challenge unto the then Baron Magnus Eques and didst apparently refuse unto the then Baron his right to view them. Be mindful also sir, that wast a challenge which on its face appeared to hae been improperly issued and yet validated by Madame Silvertree. Then there be the matter of the
challenge of the warlord Elijah Basia-Uhr, which wast also improperly issued and again validated by Madame Silvertree. Nae to mention, Madame Silvertree's attempt to keep from the Council and the public the knowledge that Elijah hae tendered his retirement amidst the Council's deliberations.

In the matter of the recent challenge of the warlord Xeric Mues, the warlord's challenge wast improper on its face, and further the warlord himself didst state he didst withdraw said challenge apparently after it hae been validated. Yet again the challenge wast validated by Madame Silvertree.

Mine interest, sir, lies with the continuing incompetence, nae to mention the arrogance, nae to mention the bald faced lies which Madame Silvertree hast spouted. Thee may accept her incompetence ast error or mistake, sir, but when they continue to be repeated and all the community ist offered be insincere apologies by that addled wench, tis perhaps time that thee seek out someone to take over those duties.

Quite frankly, Master Valentine Evermeadow, it wouldst seem that thee yuirself be acknowledging that Madame Silvertree ist less than capable of handling her duties in that thee hae requested that I volunteer mine services. If that indeed be the situation, sir, prithee do tell why thee continue to employ the wench in that position?

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