From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 05 Sep 2000 22:59:57 EDT
From the challenge rules:
All challenges and answer to challenge must be sent to both the Standings Keeper and Baron or Overlord being challenged for purposes of notification and validation.
Bolding is mine.
That part, to me.. Answer to challenge, means in no uncertain terms that the challenger must be notified.
Anyone who cannot see this is just wrong.
And you, Taylara, attempting to twist the rules in benefit of a former Loyal Baron is repugnant to me. Stop arguing semantics and just admit that Angel broke the rules and should have been punished accordingly.
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From: jeffoakenshield@aol.com (Jeff Oakenshield)
Date: 06 Sep 2000 01:06:17 EDT
Taylara,
You amuse me. How is it pertinent to our argument whether or not Ariadne must respond to Magnus? She was not held in forfeit simply because she failed to include him in the letter but *also* because she failed to contact him with a time and place within the one week's time.
We can argue however long you want about the necessity of responding to the challenger, the fact still remains, either way, that Ariadne broke the rules. She did not set a time and place within one week, therefore she was in abdication of her title. Period.
Any further argument is very much a moot point, and the argument when you continue to submit here was moot at the time of challenge as well. Even if Magnus wasn't required to get a letter, Ariadne was still in forfeit of her rank; plain and simple.
However, I think Gnort best laid out the answer to your question. It is the point I brought up to Drakewyne when this matter was being discussed, and I too think it clearly states a letter must be sent to the challenger (which is substituted in place of "challenged" in the clause pertaining to "answer to challenge")
Vithrathien
Scribe for Baron Oakenshield
Date: 06 Sep 2000 01:06:17 EDT
Taylara,
You amuse me. How is it pertinent to our argument whether or not Ariadne must respond to Magnus? She was not held in forfeit simply because she failed to include him in the letter but *also* because she failed to contact him with a time and place within the one week's time.
We can argue however long you want about the necessity of responding to the challenger, the fact still remains, either way, that Ariadne broke the rules. She did not set a time and place within one week, therefore she was in abdication of her title. Period.
Any further argument is very much a moot point, and the argument when you continue to submit here was moot at the time of challenge as well. Even if Magnus wasn't required to get a letter, Ariadne was still in forfeit of her rank; plain and simple.
However, I think Gnort best laid out the answer to your question. It is the point I brought up to Drakewyne when this matter was being discussed, and I too think it clearly states a letter must be sent to the challenger (which is substituted in place of "challenged" in the clause pertaining to "answer to challenge")
Vithrathien
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From: morganalefay@aol.com (Morgana le Fay)
Date: 06 Sep 2000 17:46:13 EDT
Is there a post missing from Ariadne?
Date: 06 Sep 2000 17:46:13 EDT
Is there a post missing from Ariadne?
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 06 Sep 2000 18:01:08 EDT
>Magnus is not a nothing, he is a multiple times Baron holder
So what? I am, too.
> has atleast my respect.
Who cares? You're an idiot. Frankly, I'm glad I don't have you on my side.
And why are you telling me to respect him? Por que?
>What have you done lately, Derek? Whoopie your a baron too, wanna freaking
>cookie?
I've done absolutely nothing. Want to do something about it? Come challenge me, fat head. This ring is still on my finger.
>watch him wipe the ring with your sorry arse.
I think we already saw what happened when he attempted.
>You are another wannabe Billy Ray
And how common it is to compare someone to Billy Ray. If anyone is a wannabe of that moron, it's definately you. I'm just waiting for your skill-less self to say "Snapper-Head."
~ Derek
P.S. I still have my ring, idiot. Come and get it.
Date: 06 Sep 2000 18:01:08 EDT
>Magnus is not a nothing, he is a multiple times Baron holder
So what? I am, too.
> has atleast my respect.
Who cares? You're an idiot. Frankly, I'm glad I don't have you on my side.
And why are you telling me to respect him? Por que?
>What have you done lately, Derek? Whoopie your a baron too, wanna freaking
>cookie?
I've done absolutely nothing. Want to do something about it? Come challenge me, fat head. This ring is still on my finger.
>watch him wipe the ring with your sorry arse.
I think we already saw what happened when he attempted.
>You are another wannabe Billy Ray
And how common it is to compare someone to Billy Ray. If anyone is a wannabe of that moron, it's definately you. I'm just waiting for your skill-less self to say "Snapper-Head."
~ Derek
P.S. I still have my ring, idiot. Come and get it.
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From: kalamere@aol.com (Kalamere)
Date: 06 Sep 2000 18:42:50 EDT
> Is there a post missing from Ariadne?
Aye Morgan..
It would seem another malicious vandal has accosted the cork board.
~Kal
Date: 06 Sep 2000 18:42:50 EDT
> Is there a post missing from Ariadne?
Aye Morgan..
It would seem another malicious vandal has accosted the cork board.
~Kal
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From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 08 Sep 2000 16:30:09 EDT
> The problem with the rule is that is does not state that the letter must be
>sent to the person challenging. That's where
>the implied/tradition factor lies.
Uh, no. This is not a matter of 'implied/tradition', this is a matter of plain common sense. Who else would one be 'responding' to, hmm? After all, if one does not reply directly to the individual making the challenge, one can hardly be said to be replying or responding to the challenge at all. A huge argument and a bad decision by the Baron's Council have arisen out of what is called in certain cultures, a 'no brainer'. If such a simple conclusion
is now so impossible to reach because people can't understand that a 'response' should probably be sent /to/ the person to whom one is responding, then I really worry for a lot of people.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
Date: 08 Sep 2000 16:30:09 EDT
> The problem with the rule is that is does not state that the letter must be
>sent to the person challenging. That's where
>the implied/tradition factor lies.
Uh, no. This is not a matter of 'implied/tradition', this is a matter of plain common sense. Who else would one be 'responding' to, hmm? After all, if one does not reply directly to the individual making the challenge, one can hardly be said to be replying or responding to the challenge at all. A huge argument and a bad decision by the Baron's Council have arisen out of what is called in certain cultures, a 'no brainer'. If such a simple conclusion
is now so impossible to reach because people can't understand that a 'response' should probably be sent /to/ the person to whom one is responding, then I really worry for a lot of people.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 11 Sep 2000 03:54:09 EDT
"Please show me in the rule where it says that the reponse must be sent to the Challenger."
Apparently, some people are too dense to understand the meaning of the word "response."
Not that it's relevant anymore, one supposes. If I didn't understand the meaning of such a simple word, I'd probably commit ritual suicide myself.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
Date: 11 Sep 2000 03:54:09 EDT
"Please show me in the rule where it says that the reponse must be sent to the Challenger."
Apparently, some people are too dense to understand the meaning of the word "response."
Not that it's relevant anymore, one supposes. If I didn't understand the meaning of such a simple word, I'd probably commit ritual suicide myself.
Regards,
Ian Rex.