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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:08 pm

From: jessetroyn@aol.com (JesseTroyn)
Date: 19 Apr 2000 22:24:42 EDT

Gnortie,

Thanks for again proving my point. Since I made absolutely no claims about something being good or bad, which could be turned against me to point out my own hypocrisy, you have yet again demonstrated your total ignorance by pointing out how I might be a hypocrite. In the future, it might be helpful if you make sure you understand words before using them.

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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:09 pm

From: zafiroo@aol.com (Zafiroo)
Date: 19 Apr 2000 23:54:55 EDT

> I think in each venue with the exception of one maybe, that there are people
>that can exceed my skill.

Avery,
Your refering to me right::chuckles and walks off::

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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:09 pm

From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 00:14:22 EDT



Jesse, Jesse, Jesse.

I did, at no point, say you claimed something being good or bad. But you implied that I was saying Morgan and Jona were "Bad guys." I know you're young, but do try to continue your education before it's too late.

It's sad to see youth wasted.
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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:09 pm

From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 01:19:49 EDT

Troyan and Starfare.

Well, I get to prove you both wrong in the very same notice.

At no time did I ever pen or say that Baron Starke should be punished for making his challenge. Nor will I ever say such as that is clearly in the pervue of the Council, should the Supervisor decide it to be.

Troyan, you wrote: "You made a ruling on Drey, that ruling didn't stick, and now you're whining about what's happening with Drey." Then Starfare wrote: "Yuir bitterness be apparent, Drakeypoo, indeed yuir rulin' wast overturned. Thee wouldst hae lain penalty upon ta Baron ast well ast denyin' 'im ta right
ta challenge, which by long standin' tradition hae been known ta th' community." What ruling didn't stick? What ruling was overturned? Where did I state I would have penalized the Baron any more than I did beyond declaring the challenge invalid?

My post regarding future challenges to the Overlord was pure sarcasm... after all, we all know now that the Supervisor has made challenging for the Mantle upon the winning of a Baron's Ring to be illegal unless the possession of said Ring is posted on the Standings.


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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:10 pm

From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 01:30:02 EDT

"One wouldst be unwise ta permit unskilled an' unknown personages ta 'andle such delicate tomes wi' out knowin' if'n they hae anna capability in th' regard. Unlike thee, perhaps, Drakeypoo, both mine 'usband an' mineself prefer th' educated an' proven professionals be given access ta th' vast trove at Arda, nae stumblin' bumpkins 'o unproven ability.

Ah find it rather amusin' th' Brother Willem ne'er placed anna further comment 'pon ta cork nor wast anna missive delivered unta th' kiosk Ah maintain outside ta duelin' 'ouse which wouldst gi' anna indication 'o 'is chagrin nor anna indication th' ta monks hae anna expertise in their profession."

More than likely he was insulted by your implications, as was no doubt your intent.
It is surprising that a sorceress of your talent lacks the simple ability to render an item such as a book less resistant to damage and wear.
It is also surprising that, in your concern for the delicate nature of those tomes that you have not already had copies made... so to prevent any knowledge being lost to the ravages of time.

Upon a world known as Earth, a great library in a city called Alexandria was burned, and much of the knowledge within was lost for all time... simply because the people of Alexandria refused to share that knowledge with others.

A lesson to be learned? Perhaps.


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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:10 pm

From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 03:11:34 EDT

Madame Silvertree,

Since tis certes nae yuir business nor do Ah feel anna obligation ta inform thee or for th' matter others wh' safeguards hae been placed upon th' tomes an' th' repository, thee shall nae mind if Ah find yuir comments ast being yuir usual whinin' "poor put upon me" drivel.

Tis amusin' thee feel so slighted th' yuir nae among those privy ta th' infermation. Tis further amusin' th' thee opine upon wh' may or may nae be Brother Willem possibly feelin' insulted. Perhaps he dinna provide anna infermation nor anna samplin's 'o 'is or ta monks capability for in tis none ta provide, or perhaps t'was a tacit admission upon 'is part th' 'is monks, 'is church an' 'imself aire nae indeed professional an' preferred ta spare
themselves ta embarrassment 'o proven it.

Whine ast thee will, Madame, thou certes nae be among those wh' Ah wouldst entrust wi' such delicate an' ancient tomes. Tis e'en more amusin' thee wouldst mention th' backwater planet, Earth, an' a long since destroyed library. Madame, tis thee may rest assured th' ta Library at Arda be well an' truly safe from ta destruction wh' wast wrought by 'eathens.

Unlike thee, Madame, Ah feel nae need ta flaunt mine skills at ta arts, an' also unlike thee, Madame, Ah long since learned control, somethin' thou hast proven time an' agin thee hae nae yet learned.

Madame, since thee hae so oft eschewed ta make known bu' privily wh' thee may or may hae nae ruled, save when thee hae been caught out in yuir attempts, one mayest easily construe from Master Starke's initial jottings th' t'was thee an' nae Master Evermeadow wh' didst both invalidate th' challenge an' make some comment th' 'e wouldst also be punished by being denied 'is right ta challenge. Tis certes th' Master Evermeadow ist nae a "she", though
tis indeed perhaps questionable if'n thou art a 'she' ast well. Were it nae th' thou hast somehow managed ta gi' birth, one might opine th' perhaps thou mayest be among those rare creatures, a hermaphrodite, 'alf dragon 'alf 'uman.

In perusin' Master Evermeadow's official rulin', tis apparent th' nae punishment wouldst devolve upon ta man. Now shall thee deny th' thee made anna mention atall 'o punishin' Master Starke by sayin' 'e wouldst nae be permitted ta issue challenge fer ta remainder 'o th' cycle? Either thou art again lyin' or Master Starke be. Which ist it, Madame?

Amusedly,
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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:10 pm

From: novagreys@aol.com (Nova GreyS)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 07:32:13 EDT

Nova watched as a few of the recent postings were cleared away (the bathroom was out of toilet paper again, apparently) before he decided to catch up on things. After a few moments of flipping, he came to one brilliant conclusion:
"Someone needs to drop an atomic bomb on this place," he muttered before walking off. Whether or not the bathroom pun was intended, no one will ever know.
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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:10 pm

From: morganalefay@aol.com (Morgana le Fay)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 12:15:09 EDT

"Get over -myself- Morgan? The only one who has anyone to get over is you. Some of us are sick of personal vendettas that are petty and sad."

What is sad is that you consider the several documented mistakes and abuses of power as petty. Is it because she's your friend that you think her transgressions are so minor? Who is taking things personally now? You defend Drakewyn because she's your friend and for no other reason--that is a personal reaction, not a professional one. A person would have to be a fool to defend Drakewyn professionally considering the many errors and misrulings she has
made.

I do not really care that you put a spin on my vocal objections to how Drakewyn performs her job. If it comforts you to convince yourself that it is personal, so be it.

Now, to clear up some misassumptions many have seemed to make about my stance on this issue. First, I do not think Drey was out of line to challenge for Overlord before the standings came out "officially" recognizing his title. I also do not think Drakewyn was necessarily wrong to call the challenge invalid. I am certain that had she not called the challenge invalid, there would have been a huge uproar over that too.

I originally was only curious about the outcome of this incident, withholding my opinion until it all settled down into something clear to understand. I was given to understand from what was written here that Drey had lost his right to challenge for a full cycle because he was not "officially" a baron until the standings came out. I became confused when uncomfirmed scuttlebutt circulated that the decision was overturned. Did this mean that Drey could
challenge for Overlord as soon as the standings came out? Did it mean his challenge to the Overlord would go through? What was the final outcome and who made the decision? All I wanted was for what was discussed and decided in the council to be shared with the community. And, if it was not the council that made a decision, but rather the supervisor, then I wanted the supervisor to step forward and clear up the confusion and let us know what he would
be doing to rectify the confusion in the future.

I do not like people speaking for the person that made the decision or ruling. For all I know, Drey could have been lying--he has been acting rather unusual and erratic lately. Even despite the erratic behavior, I do not think it is appropriate for the subject of the discussion to speak in the decision maker's stead over the outcome of the subject's case.

Short story: I wanted Val to post publicly what he decided the outcome of this incident would be and I wanted him to do it in a timely manner, albeit that it had to be prompted.

Oh, and Cas, I am told I need to get in line to take potshots at you since you are such a prime target. Sigh. Even I need an easy kill sometimes, but no one will let me have their place farther up the line.

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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:10 pm

From: bluerhein@aol.com (Blue Rhein)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 18:53:26 EDT

::emphatically agrees with the almighty Gnort, snickering, she leaves many things unsaid::
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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:11 pm

From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 21 Apr 2000 03:14:34 EDT

Starfare.

If Baron Starke said that I said, penned or even hinted that he should be punished, he is lying.
A copy of my exact missives to the Council on this matter is attached below. If you still believe I am lying, inquire with any member of the Council. I specifically recommend Baron Taelca, as he is known to have no specific bias for or against myself.


This challenge is hereby declared invalid.

Until the change is posted in the Standings, an individual may not exercise the powers of the Barony.

Lady Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree
Duel of Swords' Standings Keeper

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Council:

Baron Troyan informs me: "Numerous times throughout history, Barons have been declared to be in possession of their Baronial powers at the instant of the ring transfer. The rules and traditions are vague on this one, but it ain't nearly as open and shut as you'd like to make it out to be."
I am basing my previous decision upon certain specific rules as they are written. Specifically: "A challenge is not considered complete until the results are posted in the Standings." and, "Standings will be posted approximately every week. All ranks and fancy maneuvers are retained until new standings are posted." As well as upon specific historical incidents, such as when Baron Seamus MacDonnaugh intervened in the Test of Worthiness
immediately following his loss in a challenge match.

Unless otherwise overturned by the Supervisor or Assistant Supervisor, the ruling stands and the challenge is invalid.

Lady Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree
Duel of Swords' Standings Keeper



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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:11 pm

From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 22 Apr 2000 04:23:04 EDT

Starfare.

Your mind is wandering again. Laird MacDonnaugh stepped in for Marzan DeBurgo during Goldendust Evermeadow's term as Supervisor. Therefore, the precident I cited has nothing to do with any previous Supervisor.
If Valentine Evermeadow wishes to state the factual account of whether I sent him any private missives on this matter will be his decision. I will not request it of him because I already know the truth.
As for why Valentine Evermeadow mentioned the possibility of punishment, even one as narrow minded as yourself should have noticed that some members of the community had said that Master Starke should be penalized for his action. It is too much a stretch of your limited world view that he could have been refering to the statements made by those people?

Finally, my exact words were "If Baron Starke said that I said, penned or even hinted that he should be punished, he is lying."
This means exactly what it says. I have never said, penned or even hinted that he should be punished. Not in private, nor in public.

Your ranting has gone past merely monotonous to rediculous. I only regret the possibility that someone might actually believe some of the filth you spew.


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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:11 pm

From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 22 Apr 2000 18:28:05 EDT

>Ah shall note th' wh' Master Troyan ast well ast hae Ian an' Mark Race didst
>state be indeed ta long standin' tradition.

Without taking a side in this argument, as frankly I think that the fact it is still continuing is rather silly of more than just one person, I would point out that Mark Race is not exactly an authority on long standing traditions of the Arena. Jesse has been around a little longer, but I would not really call him an authority on 'long-standing tradition' either. Of the three names mentioned, the only one I would even consider accepting as an
authority on tradition is Ian, and even he has his personal blindspots and prejudices.
Personally, I think that the fact this even became an argument in the first place shows how some of us seem desperate for any chance at all to stir up controversy and how others of us believe themselves persecuted whenever anyone criticizes them, simply because one or two people do have grudges against them. It also shows how a few of us need to jump at every excuse to excercise their grudges.
Simply put, isn't it time we dropped this discussion now?







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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:11 pm

From: verceterixfavre@aol.com (Verceterix Favre)
Date: 22 Apr 2000 20:26:13 EDT

So, Percy, we should not listen to someone who presents the facts as they are because they're somehwat new? Just because a person has not spent much time here does not mean they do not know the traditions. You're condemning the argument simply because of the people who carry it.

I think your own personal grudges are showing through alongside your "non-insulting" insults.

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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:12 pm

From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 24 Apr 2000 16:00:45 EDT

Madame Silvertree,

Thou hast writ: "My post regarding future challenges to the Overlord was pure sarcasm... after all, we all know now that the Supervisor has made challenging for the Mantle upon the winning of a Baron's Ring to be illegal unless the possession of said Ring is posted on the Standings."

Shall then the community be placed at th' whim 'o th' Standin's Keeper to await th' announcement? Madame, thee hae eschewed makin' th' announcement in ta official lists e'en when ye were well aware th' title hae indeed changed 'ands.

Tis also perhaps Master Starke may be makin' reference ta th' improper challenge unto Magnus Eques, which thee, Madame Silvertree didst validate, rather conveniently then claimin' thee hae lost th' missives.

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Post by DoS Archive » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:12 pm

From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 24 Apr 2000 16:26:58 EDT

>Shall then the community be placed at th' whim 'o th' Standin's Keeper to
>await th' announcement

It always has been. Least as far back as I remember. Warlord challenges were declared invalid if the standings weren't posted in the past, after all, even if they were late.

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