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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:35 pm

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Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 3:28 PM Central Standard Time
From: SirCetran
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>>You see it’s all well and good to say that you are rating them against their equals, but if that warlord is getting beat by the dregs of DOS is He/(Politically correct)She, truly deserving of that top ranking among Warlords? Just a question I think you should be asking yourself. <<

One final commenet to this.

They are truly deserving of their top ranks of Warlords since they have earned it. Do you believe that Warlords duel Commeners the same as they do Warlords? In my opinion and what others have told me... no, they don't. If they have enough WoL's to spare (Which most do)... they might not care of the outcomes of the match. Think of it like a big brother playing a game against thier little brother and letting the little guy win for seeing their brother happy that they won. Hearing the little guy say that he
should get more than what he deserves would stop the charity.

Some people plainly do not care about losing to Commeners. Just something you should keep in mind.

Duel, get better, become a Warlord, duel more... and make your own dueling choices. You get what you deserve. You beat a Warlord, you win... that is what you deserve... in my opinion... even back when I was a Commener.

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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:36 pm

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Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 3:29 PM Central Standard Time
From: Karnafexx
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<<I'll happily accept your challenge. And..according to recent records, I'd suggest you concern yourself over not dropping to that status yourself. I can and will happily shove my weapon down your throat, and all others, "irm". You have been warned.
Zhan of Pageon>>

Kid, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. Just because ya' got a little lucky streak or happened ta' find yer "zone" for the moment don't mean squat. If Ford can do it with a lousey record, noone can talk any crap about how many WoL's a person has. Anyone can beat anyone any day of the week, from commoner ta' overlord...skill is only half the game. When duelin' new people a warlords skill has little ta' do with the outcome if his apponent is goin' against styles because he or she has no clue of
"what ta' do".

I'd be happy ta' take ya' up on yer boast, I can bet I'm a hell of alot better in the skill AND luck department.

Keep talkin' tough and someone is likely ta' give ya' a serious dirt nap.

Find me if ya' still think "can and will happily shove yer weapon down anyone's throat".

::Lopsided grin:: I can bet ya' don't have the skills ta' back it up...maybe yer luck will shine through though.

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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:37 pm

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Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 5:07 PM Central Standard Time
From: XStrykeX
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::Stryke looks around:: Sheesh, you all need ta get off it. I mean, here's this Swordsman who's voicing his opinions and has them misinterpreted. Then when someone tells the person who misinterpreted it, everybody starts jumping in!!!!!!! These boards are filled with this kind of (TOS Censored)!!!!!!!!!!! KNOCK IT OFF!!!!!!!

~Stryke Youngblood~

P.S. I won't be responding to this or any other posts that are.
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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:37 pm

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Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 5:20 PM Central Standard Time
From: DravenIl
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It strikes me as sad that a message written in as blunt a manner as Stryke Youngblood's was required to break the general air of contempt.

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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:38 pm

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Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 7:58 PM Central Standard Time
From: Karnafexx
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Hell Draven, it was either that or have someone pass gas.

Count yerself lucky.

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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:38 pm

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Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 8:43 PM Central Standard Time
From: RixFavre
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Duel who you want. Have fun.

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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:39 pm

Message 21 of 41 Subject 129 of 250
Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 10:01 PM Central Standard Time
From: BadgerAx
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::Shakes his head:: You would have thought I said something that made some people uncomfortable.

If I have offended anyone specific I apologize, however I stand by my original words. It’s everyone’s choice who they duel, I never said any different. What I’m saying is this, If a warlord duels a GM or less no one twisted his/her arm. Let her/him take the win or loss, and let that go for or against his/her record in the standings. If that makes some warlords not want to duel below there rank that’s the warlords loss. And perhaps that person has lost sight of the reason we come to the DOS. I come to
duel, what do you come to do?

It has been said that I as a swordsman am seeking "More than I am due by this" I want to know how I benefit by having the warlords responsible for their records? I’m not asking to be ranked as a warlord is, I have not earned that right yet and I know it. What I and every one that duels has the right to do however, is make constructive suggestions about how the DOS could be better (IMHO)

If a person is concerned about loosing a duel to a "Non peer" then he need not duel that "Non Peer", but if he does and looses, how is that loss any less valid than a loss to a Peer? From some of the talk it would appear that some people are convinced it is harder to win against a "NEWB" or lower rank because they are less predictable. This may or may not be true, but if it is true then a win against a "NEWB Commoner" should be an even better gauge of how good a duelists one is.

If someone truly wanted to be a "Big brother" to me or to other lower ranking people in the DOS I say, Stand up and fight anyone and everyone that asks, then don’t snivel if you loose, and don’t gloat if you win, but set an example. Oh and that bit about letting lesser ranks win to make them feel better is the most condescending and insulting thing I have ever heard of. We don’t want patrons we want leaders.

::Grins at the thought:: I respect people like Billy Ray because he wont ever go easy on anyone, and last time I saw him duel, he fought anyone brave enough to step into the ring. So I say, I would rather get a SAP GLOVE in the face that a pat on the head.

::Hoping Billy wont look him up and accommodate him::

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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:40 pm

Message 22 of 41 Subject 129 of 250
Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 11:09 PM Central Standard Time
From: SirCetran
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>>Let her/him take the win or loss, and let that go for or against his/her record in the standings. If that makes some warlords not want to duel below there rank that’s the warlords loss. And perhaps that person has lost sight of the reason we come to the DOS. I come to duel, what do you come to do?<<

Badger,

Your commenets are starting to dissapoint me. Why patrons in the DoS wnat to become Warlord's in to gain all of the special privledges that it gains. To lose rank in the Warlord's Standing's because you lost to some Commen Man that is passing by the Arena is not something that is good for moral around here. The Warlord's have enough problems and things to deal with as it is. Leave it simple.

I know you know what rank you are, but let me remind you what it means to be a Commener, Swordsman, Master at Arms or Grand Master. It means that you are supposed to beat anyone you can to become a Warlord. You are not a Warlord. You have not proven yourself worthy to anything of any special value except what you deserve. Beating a Warlord is no more the same than defeating a Commener. No one Twisted --your-- arm to face someone else of more recorded skill than you. The Warlords should not be penalized
for being defeated by a lower rank because being defeated by a lower rank means more for the Commener than the Warlord.

As for your comment about it being the Warlord's loss... I hate to be the cloud that rains on your parade, but it's not the Warlord's loss. It is the lower Rankers loss. Would you care to learn why it is their loss Badger? It is their loss because if they deciede to go for a challenging match, they will not be able to have it. Many Warlord's only face Warlords, Baron's or the Overlord if he is avilable... this is for certain to become even more of a factor if the Warlords will start to be penalized for a
match against a Commen Man.

I do doubt that many to this point agree with you. I come here to duel Badger. I do not come here to post messages on the boards about how many new ways we can think up of penalizing Warlords.

>>Oh and that bit about letting lesser ranks win to make them feel better is the most condescending and insulting thing I have ever heard of. <<

It was an example I was useing. I would rather beat my friend in arm wrestilng than my little brother. That is how you are compaired in the jist of things. The little kid. Little kids often get angey at their fathers for repeatedly beating them and train as hard as they can to beat them just once. If you are insulted by this, that is your right.

That is why you do not have rights as much as arlords do. Understand that. You are not supposed to benifiet in any way, nor be penalized. ((Think about the Fancy system. THe better you get, the more Fancies you get. You are better so your skill reflects it.))

>>We don’t want patrons we want leaders.<<

When did the war start? Lossen up kid, this is a game, a sport, a community with a game within it... however you want to say it... your life is not in danger.

Respectfully,
~^~Sir Damien Cetran~^~
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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:40 pm

Message 23 of 41 Subject 129 of 250
Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 11:19 PM Central Standard Time
From: XxLucianxX
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This seems a popular place to post, so I think I'll just jump on the band wago as well. :-)

My question is simply this : Why was the Warlord ranking system invented in the first place? Could it *possibly* be to see how the Warlords do compared to each other? Funny how that works.. When it was first started I thought it was a great idea, and I still do. And I think Cetran's has made some of the best points thus far. SUppose I duel, oh say, 100 Commoners-Grand Masters and I lose once.. That means my ranking is lowered. So, my rank keeps going lower and lower losing 1% of the time.
What kind of encouragement is that? I'd rather take my chances and win 60% of the time against Warlords. I think that's the simplest part of the matter. What benefit would it have to *anyone* were we to change the rnaking system in such a way as initially suggested? When someone figures it out, let me know...

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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:41 pm

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Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 11:30 PM Central Standard Time
From: Jakvaltrds
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::reads ever post twice to be clear on this before sticking his foot in his mouth::
Badger,
when I arrived here some *months* ago :: don't want to make anyone think I am trying to impersonate a old timer::: I found that I could duel anyone anytime I *asked* I find it still holds true. I will duel anyone , anytime. All you need do is ask. I was informed by a young lady one evening, after being frustrated by the lack of response to my trusted sign >commoner to duel<, that it is considered less than honorable to ask one of lower status to duel. I thanked her and proceeded to ask those in the upper
station to duel me. I found that most if not all I approached cheerfully accepted, (all though I had to call the duel in).
If what I see in your suggestion is clear, you will have a real problem finding a duel outside your own rank. This thought was brought up by someone upstream from this response but I feel an emphasis should be made on it. I personally could care less what number I hold on the rankings. Should I choose to challenge a Baron for her/his ring, I no doubt will be accepted being 16th or 61st. I may very well be alone in my beliefs that a ranking is for mere bragging rights, but that is how I feel on the
subject. My main concern is for the amount of work that would be involved for those that keep track of such things. We are allowed this priviledge, that of cost free dueling, due to the volunteer efforts of many kindly souls. The work is long and tedious and this will no doubt only add to it. When it becomes more than a volunteer staff can handle, my guess is the King shall claim he has no choice but to charge a tariff for the time spent within RhyDin. I am not nay saying your idea, for it does have
merit, I just see more problems than benefits.
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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:41 pm

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Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 11:49 PM Central Standard Time
From: BadgerAx
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::Sighs::
Truly meaning no offense to any in the DOS I would just like to say this is a subject that some of us will just need to agree to disagree about. I won’t say anymore about it, as I will just be restating the same old things. I had only wished that more people would have truly listened to what I said, and been a little more open-minded, and less threaten by my simple suggestion. So be it, this will be my last post on the subject (Go ahead and cheer if ya want) I have had my say, as is my right.

Cetran:
I do have great respect for your record and dueling skills. And perhaps it is not my place to ask others to do things they don’t want to do ::Shrugs:: even if it seems like the right thing. I have just one last question, for ya. Would ya truly not be proud of a win over me in the ring? (Right now probably wants to drag me behind his car…J/K ) :- ) YA don’t know me, we have never duled, Isen’t that more of a chalange than a WL ya have fought ten or twelve times? Wait thats two questions…Just ignore one.

In truly good humor, Brother to brother, yours in life and death

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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:42 pm

Message 26 of 41 Subject 129 of 250
Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/08/1997 11:50 PM Central Standard Time
From: Daemon102
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Seamus,
The king better not charge a Tariff!!!

Unless of course he plans on sharing the income with those of us who work here. I mean why would I pay a tariff to do something i am currently doing for free?

::pauses, as a light go on::
::runs off to start a new rumor in hopes of stoping the beating on this dead horse::

::to his fellow callers::"Hey Guys, I just heard the King will be placing a Tariff on Rhydin and he is gonna use the money to PAY us"::
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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:42 pm

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Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/09/1997 12:04 AM Central Standard Time
From: MPolanski
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Gads! I may not be a dueler, but I cannot let this one pass!

::::seriously sighs:::::

As many of you know, I edit and distribute a newspaper in RhyDin. Circulation, on average, is 750 copies, per month. Yes, thats Seven Hundred and Fifty copies. I make it my business to scan the standings personally, and send a complimentary copy to each new duelist that appears each month. This usually brings circulation up to, on average, 825. Of that number, 40 will ask to be unsubscribed. The balance, 45, will send me a note, asking what the **** is this and what the heck is RhyDin. They dueled here,
else thier name would not be included in the standings. I'm fairly certain, considering the law of averages, that some of them won. And yet, having taken the time to duel once, they wander off, on their merry way, never even knowing the name of the place they dueled in.

Uh, yeah, I'd want them messing up *my* standings, if I had any............I mean, why not?

Just an observation. And I wasn't even paid for it.You people must be getting to me. Go figure.

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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:43 pm

Message 28 of 41 Subject 129 of 250
Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/09/1997 3:41 AM Central Standard Time
From: IainMacKnz
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Zhan, whomever you are:

Bring it on. Although, after your comments (I presume it was you who posted the unsigned note?), I can't imagine where you get the gall to whime about me insulting you.

Wins over losses? Rubbish. I've got nearly a year's worth of residence among the Baron's Council to show for my 27 wins over losses... I can point to a lot of duelers with twice, three times that, who *consistently* fail to even get one ring. Chew on that for awhile.

Cetran:

I really don't think the morale of Warlords needs to be a concern. That's like feeling sorry a king because he has to worry about getting his horses shod.
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Post by DoS Archive » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:43 pm

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Subject: Re:Warlord Ranking
Date: 09/09/1997 3:41 AM Central Standard Time
From: IainMacKnz
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Zhan, whomever you are:

Bring it on. Although, after your comments (I presume it was you who posted the unsigned note?), I can't imagine where you get the gall to whime about me insulting you.

Wins over losses? Rubbish. I've got nearly a year's worth of residence among the Baron's Council to show for my 27 wins over losses... I can point to a lot of duelers with twice, three times that, who *consistently* fail to even get one ring. Chew on that for awhile.

Cetran:

I really don't think the morale of Warlords needs to be a concern. That's like feeling sorry a king because he has to worry about getting his horses shod.
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