A few words

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Date: 9/20/97 2:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: IainMacKnz


Lord Altruis~

Forgive my saying so, but "obvious personal reasons" is perhaps the best and most defensible reason to force a challenger to face intercession, no?

~irm

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Date: 9/20/97 4:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: GIRVIN


Seems funny to me Draven, the test of worthiness is just that.

If ye were as good as ye claim, t'would have been a mere formality.

::chuckles::

Seems ye proved unworthy. Is it so hard to swallow that ye cannot stand a simple test?

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Date: 9/20/97 5:44 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: Zaradda


Glad to see youre back from Honeymoon Island, Iain.
~Rad

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Date: 9/20/97 6:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: EllisaMrgn


::posts a small piece of paper::

I requested strongly to Dalamar that I be allowed to Test this Challenger, if you seek a place to lay blame, then I will be waiting.

~Ellisa~

::a stamp of a dragon adorns the bottom of the paper::

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Date: 9/20/97 9:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: PrlUnicorn



::stands reading the notices in a bit of shock::

Ladies and Gentleman of the DoS,

Under the circumstances, I planned on refraining from responding to this, but since it's got this far I will voice my opinion as diplomatically as possible.

First off.. I agree with Lupton on the point of the injury. I saw the duel in question.. it was finished before Draven returned to the arena.

Second.. and this is what goads me most.. Valmion informed me of his agreement with Dalamar to not give Draven the test of worthiness. Valmion informed Draven of said agreement. According Dalamars post to this board he was released from this verbal contract by Valmion when Draven resigned from Questrion as Knight Marshal. In all fairness I believe Draven should have been told of this decision by Valmion or Dalamar. When he arrived he was expecting what he had been told would be a challenge free of this
test.

Yes, life isn't fair... but really was that an honorable thing to do?

Colleen MacLeod

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Date: 9/20/97 10:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: IainMacKnz

::a brief note::

Perhaps a more pertinent question might be why Valmion made such an arrangement with the Overlord... or, perhaps, why the Overlord agreed to it.

I find the whole matter passing strange. Obviously, the arrangement was not with Lord Altruis, for this to have transpired such.

~irm

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Date: 9/21/97 6:30 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: Valmion



Collie and other members of the community,

It was a simple matter for me, when Draven was a member of House Questrion, to do what I would do for any member of the house. I went to the Overlord and used both friendship and politics to get Draven an intercession free challenge. I wish to note that I strained both the former and the latter in getting the Overlord to agree to such, but did do as I would for any member of the house. I will also add that this decision bore heavily on me, as Draven was not the most, shall we say, likeable fellow in
the Arena.

Then, as I heard many rumors for a week, stating that Draven was going to leave Questrion after his challenge match, I must say that I became more disturbed about the situation. Draven finally made it easy on me and the rest of House Questrion when he quit, as after he left, I felt I now owed him nothing in this challenge attempt.

I informed the Overlord that there was not longer a connection between House Questrion and Draven, so I withdrew my request of favor from the Overlord. I will be as honest as to say that I even asked to be the one testing the challenger.

So there you have it Collie, plain and simple and to the point. Hope this clears up any misunderstandings in this area.

Sincerely,

Lord Valmion
House of Questrion

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Date: 9/21/97 7:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: JOaknshld



Politics, agreements, confusion.

Let us not forget what actually happened.

Draven challenged, Draven lost, end of story.

Draven may rechallenge later, and the cycle will begin anew.

Let's just leave it at dat and move on.

~J

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Date: 9/21/97 9:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: DarkAxe



You're a good man with quixotic thoughts, Jeff.

- Ulath

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Date: 9/21/97 2:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: JolaFici


Unless I'm mistaken, a "normal" duel would not cost Dalamar, or any Overlord, his rank. That can only come via a challenge. If that is indeed correct, then I can easily see why Dalamar would be willing to duel a "normal" duel but not a challenge match, while injured. Surely an injury would cost him some. There's much more at stake in a challenge. That's not something *I* would want to risk while not at my best, but a "normal" duel would be fine.

Just my thoughts.

... Jola ...
Herald of Questrion
Fan of Dalamar.

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Date: 9/21/97 5:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: Karnafexx


<< I state now that I am not unworthy, and, given the chance, would best the Overlord. Anyone who considers a 5-4 defeat in the full quota of fifteen rounds to be a sound loss is either a hypocrite or an ignorant fool.>>

Draven, it ain't a sound loss, it was a close match. But one thing I had ta' swalloow a few times in my career is that 5-4 or 5-0 is a loss, there ain't no second places in an overlord challenge.

<<Second.. and this is what goads me most.. Valmion informed me of his agreement with Dalamar to not give Draven the test of worthiness. Valmion informed Draven of said agreement. According Dalamars post to this board he was released from this verbal contract by Valmion when Draven resigned from Questrion as Knight Marshal. In all fairness I believe Draven should have been told of this decision by Valmion or Dalamar. When he arrived he was expecting what he had been told would be a challenge free of this
test. >>

Colleen,

One thing that most people are fogettin' here is that half the battles faught are won before the even reach the battlefield. Even *if* Val and Dal made a deal and Draven was still a part of Questrion at the time of the duel it would have been in the Overlords best interest ta' pull a last minute whammy and have Draven Tested.

Sometimes ya' gotta Rob Peter ta' pay Paul. If ya' think Dal really gives a fig what any of ya' care about him ya' should think again. He's the top dog and the rest of us gotta sleep on the porch.

Dal,

Good defense, yer da' man.

Billy Ray.

PS:

Billy Ray's 11th commandment

~Do unto others before they do unto you~

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Date: 10/7/97 4:25 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: Duke UzieI


::smiles a smile of a tactician::

And believe me William, we did.

I am,
~Adonai Uziel of the Valheru~

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Date: 9/21/97 9:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: PrlUnicorn



::drafts a private letter to Valmion::

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Date: 9/21/97 11:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: SpifyMcBng



::boredly starts reading through the stack of papers:: ::gets to Ulath's:: ::squints:: ::runs off to the library to ask the librarian what quixotic means::

A couple of hours later...

::comes back, grinning:: ::starts reading again:: ::blinks and realizes he already read that one:: ::tosses them all aside, one by one, until he gets to where he left off:: ::reads, reads:: ::gets to Billy Ray's post:: ::peers at it oddly:: ::scribbles in something underneath Billy's words::

Goon not sleep on porch, Goon sleep near lot tree!

Goon

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Date: 9/22/97 1:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: LordovDale


::grins reading Billy's letter... always amazed how someone so blunt can be so right on target and yet not be offensive to anyone imparticular.. walks away thinking Billy's words said it all::