From: erosdburgo@aol.com (ErosDBurgo)
Date: 15 Aug 1999 03:49:09 EDT
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I won't put the exact comments that were made, out of Honor, unless this issue is pressed. A dueler's family has nothing to do with his job in the ring. His wife, or husband, his kids... Talking trash, insult the dueler all you want... it's fun for some, and not dishonorable by their own code. However, I am not really aware of any credible code of Honor where it is acceptable to insult one's spouse or family.... I won't quote
or mention names yet, but I am tired of it. It is base, petulant, and not fair to those who aren't even invlolved in the battle. If someone's family is is fair game, is that Skill and Honor?
Eros
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Skill and Honor
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 15 Aug 1999 09:16:35 EDT
The man's most likely cowering his way to scrape off any insult he may find. If he is that desperate to find insult, he's not worth this topic. Noting the topic, I think I already know who it is...
Good day,
- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke
Date: 15 Aug 1999 09:16:35 EDT
The man's most likely cowering his way to scrape off any insult he may find. If he is that desperate to find insult, he's not worth this topic. Noting the topic, I think I already know who it is...
Good day,
- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke
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From: eagleecore@aol.com (EagleEcore)
Date: 15 Aug 1999 09:55:53 EDT
Eros,
Skill and Honor? A man insulting another's family has nothing to do with their skill in the ring, but yes their honor. Just clarifying a point as this seems so dramatic to include "Skill" as part of a person's character of being. I have no honor, and well I really don't have any skill. But my skill has nothing to do with my honor.
Unless your referring to one's skill with their mouth. Take that as you desire.
~Ecore, Warlord of Swords~
Date: 15 Aug 1999 09:55:53 EDT
Eros,
Skill and Honor? A man insulting another's family has nothing to do with their skill in the ring, but yes their honor. Just clarifying a point as this seems so dramatic to include "Skill" as part of a person's character of being. I have no honor, and well I really don't have any skill. But my skill has nothing to do with my honor.
Unless your referring to one's skill with their mouth. Take that as you desire.
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From: breunis@aol.com (Breunis)
Date: 15 Aug 1999 12:49:39 EDT
Eros,
If my mumbling about your wife being a crying, whining wench last eve, is what your riled up about, then I will gladly defend my words in the ring. Your wife was a crying, whining wench last eve until you showed up. I for one would not want my woman showing such weakness in a dueling arena. Oh, and if it is me you have a problem with, next time be honorable enough to come right out and say it.
Breunis Sans Pite
Date: 15 Aug 1999 12:49:39 EDT
Eros,
If my mumbling about your wife being a crying, whining wench last eve, is what your riled up about, then I will gladly defend my words in the ring. Your wife was a crying, whining wench last eve until you showed up. I for one would not want my woman showing such weakness in a dueling arena. Oh, and if it is me you have a problem with, next time be honorable enough to come right out and say it.
Breunis Sans Pite
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From: mystdburgo@aol.com (MystDBurgo)
Date: 15 Aug 1999 13:33:16 EDT
Actually M'Lord, this is not the matter referred to. However, my tears last night were none of your concern. Those tears were due to the fact that I unexpectedly had to leave while my husband was working earlier and was to return to join him to find him nowhere about. We both give much time to the communities working in order that others might enjoy
dueling. What time we manage to have together offduty is precious and rare. What you saw was not weakness, but love. Something that intruded upon no one's enjoyment and was quiet as I sat awaiting my husband's return. Two friends inquired if all was well and were told that I missed my husband and asking if they had seen him and if he was to return soon.
I am guessing that with the manner that insults and other vicious whining is carried out in the Arena that this is a horrible crime. I assume that the only emotions allowed in the Arena are those of biting insults, vicious verbal attacks, an uncaring of another's feelings or reasonings. If gentler, caring emotions are not allowed within the Arena, then indeed I am guilty as I have seen others be as well. However, M'Lord, this is my life, my
emotions and as large as the Arena is, should you wish not to see it or hear the conversation, I am sure you can find other things to distract yourself with and ignore that which you wish not to see. As far as what you would want your woman doing , that is between you and she. I , however, would not be so rude and ill mannered as to comment on something that is not my concern.
The comments referred to in my husband's missive were extremely ugly and not something that should have been stated about another. The name of the one who spoke so was not mentioned in honor. Honor to one who spoke in an ill mannered and uncouth way. Such matters are best dealt with privately. And are being dealt with so. My husband asked this question because I am not the only spouse who has been verbally attacked in such a manner during a duel
or on the cork. It is a question of whether it is honorable to attack a duelist's family verbally.
I guess since some see a blown kiss, a look , a smile, a comment to a loved one during a duel as dishonoring one;s opponant in the ring, that one could say the same of those who hurl insult, vicious comments, greetings, waves, etc,to others outside of the ring while dueling and in the ring as dishonor as well. Personally I would find the second grouping to be more distasteful while I am dueling than someone showing caring for the special person in
their life and drawing strength and encouragement from such shows of affection.
I am sure this will draw much flaming, bashing comment. However, the point of the matter is this, the Arena is open to all. Nothing unacceptable is done while we are there. Nothing that should not be seen by other eyes. If you do not care to see it, just as with those who do not care to see the constant insults flying, then you can choose to ignore it and busy yourself with else. I will not hide the deep love I have for my husband when in public
among others. To me, that would be the greatest of dishonor. A dishonor of my husband, our love and marriage, a dishonor of my very soul. What other's choose to do is their choice and I would not be so ill mannered as to comment on such.
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Date: 15 Aug 1999 13:33:16 EDT
Actually M'Lord, this is not the matter referred to. However, my tears last night were none of your concern. Those tears were due to the fact that I unexpectedly had to leave while my husband was working earlier and was to return to join him to find him nowhere about. We both give much time to the communities working in order that others might enjoy
dueling. What time we manage to have together offduty is precious and rare. What you saw was not weakness, but love. Something that intruded upon no one's enjoyment and was quiet as I sat awaiting my husband's return. Two friends inquired if all was well and were told that I missed my husband and asking if they had seen him and if he was to return soon.
I am guessing that with the manner that insults and other vicious whining is carried out in the Arena that this is a horrible crime. I assume that the only emotions allowed in the Arena are those of biting insults, vicious verbal attacks, an uncaring of another's feelings or reasonings. If gentler, caring emotions are not allowed within the Arena, then indeed I am guilty as I have seen others be as well. However, M'Lord, this is my life, my
emotions and as large as the Arena is, should you wish not to see it or hear the conversation, I am sure you can find other things to distract yourself with and ignore that which you wish not to see. As far as what you would want your woman doing , that is between you and she. I , however, would not be so rude and ill mannered as to comment on something that is not my concern.
The comments referred to in my husband's missive were extremely ugly and not something that should have been stated about another. The name of the one who spoke so was not mentioned in honor. Honor to one who spoke in an ill mannered and uncouth way. Such matters are best dealt with privately. And are being dealt with so. My husband asked this question because I am not the only spouse who has been verbally attacked in such a manner during a duel
or on the cork. It is a question of whether it is honorable to attack a duelist's family verbally.
I guess since some see a blown kiss, a look , a smile, a comment to a loved one during a duel as dishonoring one;s opponant in the ring, that one could say the same of those who hurl insult, vicious comments, greetings, waves, etc,to others outside of the ring while dueling and in the ring as dishonor as well. Personally I would find the second grouping to be more distasteful while I am dueling than someone showing caring for the special person in
their life and drawing strength and encouragement from such shows of affection.
I am sure this will draw much flaming, bashing comment. However, the point of the matter is this, the Arena is open to all. Nothing unacceptable is done while we are there. Nothing that should not be seen by other eyes. If you do not care to see it, just as with those who do not care to see the constant insults flying, then you can choose to ignore it and busy yourself with else. I will not hide the deep love I have for my husband when in public
among others. To me, that would be the greatest of dishonor. A dishonor of my husband, our love and marriage, a dishonor of my very soul. What other's choose to do is their choice and I would not be so ill mannered as to comment on such.
~*~ Mystik DeBurgo ~*~
Proud Wife of Eros DeBurgo
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From: eagleecore@aol.com (EagleEcore)
Date: 15 Aug 1999 14:36:52 EDT
Bruenis,
Thank god we're not married to such co-dependant weak women, eh? A woman who crys because she hasn't seen her husband in a few hours is too obsessive and clingy anyway. If you want, I'll take you to this dive bar in the warehouse district of RhyDin to show you some lassess who know how to have a good time, and don't care when the men are around.
~Ecore, Warlord of Swords~
Date: 15 Aug 1999 14:36:52 EDT
Bruenis,
Thank god we're not married to such co-dependant weak women, eh? A woman who crys because she hasn't seen her husband in a few hours is too obsessive and clingy anyway. If you want, I'll take you to this dive bar in the warehouse district of RhyDin to show you some lassess who know how to have a good time, and don't care when the men are around.
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From: morganfay@aol.com (MorganFay)
Date: 15 Aug 1999 16:47:05 EDT
(m) Crying? For missing someone a few hours?
Sounds like melodrama.
Date: 15 Aug 1999 16:47:05 EDT
(m) Crying? For missing someone a few hours?
Sounds like melodrama.
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From: methous45@aol.com (Methous45)
Date: 15 Aug 1999 17:10:54 EDT
::Chuckles seeing Eros's post::
Man, the past can bite you in the ass.
Meth
Date: 15 Aug 1999 17:10:54 EDT
::Chuckles seeing Eros's post::
Man, the past can bite you in the ass.
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 16 Aug 1999 05:32:19 EDT
A slim raven brow arches slightly as she peruses the various notes. She sets quill to parchment, then tacks a note to the cork.
Gentles,
Tis rather interestin' th' Eros be so glibly whinin' when t'was 'e wh' showed blatant disrespect fer th' man 'e wast duelin' 'pon th' eve in question. Ast Eros left th' ring midst th' duel ta git affectionate wi' th' lass wh' wast callin', leavin' 'is opponent ta await 'is pleasure tis wonderin' wh' 'e consideres 'onorable. Tis earlier 'pon th' same eve, didst Eros show much th' same disrespect fer 'is duelin' opponent, whilst 'is wife wast
present. Perhaps tis th' Eros dinna find such behavior ast being dishonorable. Perhaps he considers carryin' on whilst in th' ring wi' someone wh' be 'olding a sharp blade ist ta be nae concern 'o 'is. Tis a wonder 'is opponent dinna git a stool an' take a rest whilst waitin' 'pon Eros ta finish 'is tete a tele wi' various personages outside th' ring.
Jonalyn Starfare
PS: Aye, melodrama, Morgan. T'was wonderin' if the place needs ta stock more buckets.
Date: 16 Aug 1999 05:32:19 EDT
A slim raven brow arches slightly as she peruses the various notes. She sets quill to parchment, then tacks a note to the cork.
Gentles,
Tis rather interestin' th' Eros be so glibly whinin' when t'was 'e wh' showed blatant disrespect fer th' man 'e wast duelin' 'pon th' eve in question. Ast Eros left th' ring midst th' duel ta git affectionate wi' th' lass wh' wast callin', leavin' 'is opponent ta await 'is pleasure tis wonderin' wh' 'e consideres 'onorable. Tis earlier 'pon th' same eve, didst Eros show much th' same disrespect fer 'is duelin' opponent, whilst 'is wife wast
present. Perhaps tis th' Eros dinna find such behavior ast being dishonorable. Perhaps he considers carryin' on whilst in th' ring wi' someone wh' be 'olding a sharp blade ist ta be nae concern 'o 'is. Tis a wonder 'is opponent dinna git a stool an' take a rest whilst waitin' 'pon Eros ta finish 'is tete a tele wi' various personages outside th' ring.
Jonalyn Starfare
PS: Aye, melodrama, Morgan. T'was wonderin' if the place needs ta stock more buckets.
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From: methous45@aol.com (Methous45)
Date: 16 Aug 1999 12:48:15 EDT
Ecore,
If they red-on-de-head, count me in.
Meth
Date: 16 Aug 1999 12:48:15 EDT
Ecore,
If they red-on-de-head, count me in.
Meth
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From: davestro@aol.com (DAVESTRO)
Date: 16 Aug 1999 14:07:32 EDT
::Walks by the boards,reads the messages, and post up a note of his own::
I love readin Ecore's message's.Stir'em Ecore::chuckles as he walks off::
Date: 16 Aug 1999 14:07:32 EDT
::Walks by the boards,reads the messages, and post up a note of his own::
I love readin Ecore's message's.Stir'em Ecore::chuckles as he walks off::
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From: ixdaelinxi@aol.com (IXDaelinXI)
Date: 16 Aug 1999 18:03:47 EDT
Maybe they're both just attached to each other..and have drama problems..maybe that's why Jona said they were meant for each other that time awhile back. Still, it is rather odd..
I'm not going to say anything because if I say one thing about what happened, I'd get involved because of one person involved. Maybe they just have drama problems like I said, and maybe "Mr. L" as I'll call him was joking around like he usually does and Eros failed to remember that.."Mr. L" always does that...either way..I wish Lupton would have won...whoops? Did I say Lupton just now? Disregard that..
::scrawled in blazing blue ink::
~Daelin Dragonsblade~
~Regent King of Dragonia~
~Warlord and Twice Baron of the Seventh~
Date: 16 Aug 1999 18:03:47 EDT
Maybe they're both just attached to each other..and have drama problems..maybe that's why Jona said they were meant for each other that time awhile back. Still, it is rather odd..
I'm not going to say anything because if I say one thing about what happened, I'd get involved because of one person involved. Maybe they just have drama problems like I said, and maybe "Mr. L" as I'll call him was joking around like he usually does and Eros failed to remember that.."Mr. L" always does that...either way..I wish Lupton would have won...whoops? Did I say Lupton just now? Disregard that..
::scrawled in blazing blue ink::
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From: rlupton@aol.com (RLupton)
Date: 16 Aug 1999 23:00:47 EDT
I did it. I said the comment. Gift baskets are welcome.
~ L
Date: 16 Aug 1999 23:00:47 EDT
I did it. I said the comment. Gift baskets are welcome.
~ L
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From: takcouma@aol.com (Takcouma)
Date: 18 Aug 1999 09:13:46 EDT
To those concerned and Eros,
I do nae really want to get involved but....seems in some small way I am already.
I was the lass, Jonalyn is referring to, as callin' that match. Aye, me.
Although, I in Ero's shoes would nae 'ave gotten outta the ring wit' Lupton to come an' give me an affectionate hug and I say tis because I do believe that when in the ring wit' an opponent, one should stay in the ring as a matter of respect, I believe Eros did jump out because I did mess the call up about three times. I remember someone huggin me but I was so immersed in correctin' me mistake while tryin to call the otha' two rings I did nae even
realize tis was him. When I did look up to finish the call I saw the druid in the ring wit' Lupton and Lupton did make comment about Dae never jumping out of the ring during a match to come and give me affection. And so I made comment to his that I would hope Dae wouldn't do that but rather pay attention to the duel at hand.
Tis does nae mean I 'ave no love for Dae but that I simply believe in separating pleasure from duelin. To be honest, ifn I were in the ring duelin' wit' an opponent and ifn that opponent stepped out, it would throw me concentration a little nae to mention that I would feel as ifn me presense were of nae much importance.
Though I appreciate the gesture Eros, I am a big girl. Further I say that in being new, mistakes happen and wit' tis one I could deal wit' it. But really, now that I see where all tis stems from, I can see why Lupton made the so called comment and well....Lupton is just Lupton.
In some peoples eyes, he may choose an untactful verbal approach, but ifn one can look past that he 'as concerns that hold validity.
Tis nae to say I do nae want affection from me love Dae neither. I just do nae want it while he is in the ring. I want him to do his best and the best also means that he delegates respect to the opponent in the ring wit' him.
Ifn I ever jump in the ring wit' ye Eros I would hope ye would ne'er jump out in the midst of it. To be honest, ifn ye did, I would be offended and nae find dueling wit' ye to be worthful.
I only hope ye can see where the perspectives are coming from in tis situation and hopefully ye will learn a lesson from it. Tis nae mean I disregard yer skill, or again, did nae appreciate the gesture.
I wish ye Eros, good thoughts only and hope ye do nae take offense wit' me words.
Marit Takcouma.
Date: 18 Aug 1999 09:13:46 EDT
To those concerned and Eros,
I do nae really want to get involved but....seems in some small way I am already.
I was the lass, Jonalyn is referring to, as callin' that match. Aye, me.
Although, I in Ero's shoes would nae 'ave gotten outta the ring wit' Lupton to come an' give me an affectionate hug and I say tis because I do believe that when in the ring wit' an opponent, one should stay in the ring as a matter of respect, I believe Eros did jump out because I did mess the call up about three times. I remember someone huggin me but I was so immersed in correctin' me mistake while tryin to call the otha' two rings I did nae even
realize tis was him. When I did look up to finish the call I saw the druid in the ring wit' Lupton and Lupton did make comment about Dae never jumping out of the ring during a match to come and give me affection. And so I made comment to his that I would hope Dae wouldn't do that but rather pay attention to the duel at hand.
Tis does nae mean I 'ave no love for Dae but that I simply believe in separating pleasure from duelin. To be honest, ifn I were in the ring duelin' wit' an opponent and ifn that opponent stepped out, it would throw me concentration a little nae to mention that I would feel as ifn me presense were of nae much importance.
Though I appreciate the gesture Eros, I am a big girl. Further I say that in being new, mistakes happen and wit' tis one I could deal wit' it. But really, now that I see where all tis stems from, I can see why Lupton made the so called comment and well....Lupton is just Lupton.
In some peoples eyes, he may choose an untactful verbal approach, but ifn one can look past that he 'as concerns that hold validity.
Tis nae to say I do nae want affection from me love Dae neither. I just do nae want it while he is in the ring. I want him to do his best and the best also means that he delegates respect to the opponent in the ring wit' him.
Ifn I ever jump in the ring wit' ye Eros I would hope ye would ne'er jump out in the midst of it. To be honest, ifn ye did, I would be offended and nae find dueling wit' ye to be worthful.
I only hope ye can see where the perspectives are coming from in tis situation and hopefully ye will learn a lesson from it. Tis nae mean I disregard yer skill, or again, did nae appreciate the gesture.
I wish ye Eros, good thoughts only and hope ye do nae take offense wit' me words.
Marit Takcouma.
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From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 18 Aug 1999 15:08:55 EDT
Ya be a well poken lass, Marit... and I know it would nae mean much ta the Lupton, but I 'ave at agree with 'im. When ya be in the ring, ya be duelin'...ifn ya want ta snuggle and cuddle, there be places for that too.
~Tay~
Date: 18 Aug 1999 15:08:55 EDT
Ya be a well poken lass, Marit... and I know it would nae mean much ta the Lupton, but I 'ave at agree with 'im. When ya be in the ring, ya be duelin'...ifn ya want ta snuggle and cuddle, there be places for that too.
~Tay~