From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 13 Nov 1999 03:00:34 EST
Lord Daryl Kyle
Yuir another shinin' example, much ast be ta warlord Ariadne 'o th' pitiful examples 'o warlords wh' be seekin' a title.
Tis me sincerest 'ope th' yuir dream ist nae realized.
Jonalyn Starfare
Common as they come
~~Challenge for the 6th Baronial Ring~~
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From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 12:36:53 EST
::Shakes her head as she reads of the challenge.::
Daryl, I find yer wish ta challenge nae more than yer want to garner a ring and ya think Baroness Simini a easy target. I find no honor or enhancement of skill within your reason. Ifn ya merely wish ta duel the Baroness, ya 'ave more then ample opportunity durin' regular duels. It nae requires a challenge.
Baroness Simini, I wish ya well in this endeavor brought forth. May ya retain the ring ya hold with the honor and integrity befittin' a Baroness of Swords.
~Tay~
Date: 14 Nov 1999 12:36:53 EST
::Shakes her head as she reads of the challenge.::
Daryl, I find yer wish ta challenge nae more than yer want to garner a ring and ya think Baroness Simini a easy target. I find no honor or enhancement of skill within your reason. Ifn ya merely wish ta duel the Baroness, ya 'ave more then ample opportunity durin' regular duels. It nae requires a challenge.
Baroness Simini, I wish ya well in this endeavor brought forth. May ya retain the ring ya hold with the honor and integrity befittin' a Baroness of Swords.
~Tay~
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 15:55:37 EST
Well, this is actually pretty easy for me.
Win it, Simini.
Tay,
What's really wrong with challenging for a ring? It's a test for endurance, capabilities, and respect. I'm guessing he thinks he can be a good/great baron, and top Simini - The almighty Renegade.
I challenged for a ring, even though I didn't like the baron. I wanted the ring more, but I learned from experience that a ring isn't everything. Sometimes a challenge is a lesson as well.
And I doubt Daryl thinks she is an easy target. Like they say, each duelist puts a little more into a challenge then a regular duel.
>I find no honor or enhancement of skill within your reason.
That was utterly rude, if you think about it.
"enhancement of skill within your reason. "
So good reasons enhance a persons skill?
Who are you impressing, Tay?
Patrons of the Swords,
I know this question has been brought up several times before but...
What really makes a Baron? I haven't seen one Baron that really stands out more than another. If I'm missing any Barons giving charity, holding schools, or whatever possible - Please, I'd like to know. I love hearing about those things. Right now, I'm just seeing the regular, standard Baron that just holds his ring and duels.
And I know I didn't top that, but I didn't get the chance. I'm coming, and I'm 4-0! Eat that! Heh! Win Simini, so I can drag ya to the Warlord's Corner.
Good-naturedly,
- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke
P.S. What's wrong with challenging for a ring? What if warlord grows tiring and you're wishing for something a bit more above the rank or something a little bit more exciting then the usual dueling for peers and/or blabbering like I do. You atleast get some jewelry, and some special jewelry at that. Long P.S., I know.
Date: 14 Nov 1999 15:55:37 EST
Well, this is actually pretty easy for me.
Win it, Simini.
Tay,
What's really wrong with challenging for a ring? It's a test for endurance, capabilities, and respect. I'm guessing he thinks he can be a good/great baron, and top Simini - The almighty Renegade.
I challenged for a ring, even though I didn't like the baron. I wanted the ring more, but I learned from experience that a ring isn't everything. Sometimes a challenge is a lesson as well.
And I doubt Daryl thinks she is an easy target. Like they say, each duelist puts a little more into a challenge then a regular duel.
>I find no honor or enhancement of skill within your reason.
That was utterly rude, if you think about it.
"enhancement of skill within your reason. "
So good reasons enhance a persons skill?
Who are you impressing, Tay?
Patrons of the Swords,
I know this question has been brought up several times before but...
What really makes a Baron? I haven't seen one Baron that really stands out more than another. If I'm missing any Barons giving charity, holding schools, or whatever possible - Please, I'd like to know. I love hearing about those things. Right now, I'm just seeing the regular, standard Baron that just holds his ring and duels.
And I know I didn't top that, but I didn't get the chance. I'm coming, and I'm 4-0! Eat that! Heh! Win Simini, so I can drag ya to the Warlord's Corner.
Good-naturedly,
- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke
P.S. What's wrong with challenging for a ring? What if warlord grows tiring and you're wishing for something a bit more above the rank or something a little bit more exciting then the usual dueling for peers and/or blabbering like I do. You atleast get some jewelry, and some special jewelry at that. Long P.S., I know.
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:07:58 EST
What if a warlord grows tired and he's wishing for something above the rank or
something a little bit more exciting then the usual dueling for peers and/or blabbering like I do. You atleast get some jewelry, and some special jewelry at that. Long P.S., I know.
::making a few corrections before scrambling::
Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:07:58 EST
What if a warlord grows tired and he's wishing for something above the rank or
something a little bit more exciting then the usual dueling for peers and/or blabbering like I do. You atleast get some jewelry, and some special jewelry at that. Long P.S., I know.
::making a few corrections before scrambling::
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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:14:26 EST
" And I doubt Daryl thinks she is an easy target. Like they say, each duelist puts a little more into a challenge then a regular duel."
Being a teammate and captain of Daryl, I would like to add that I don't think Daryl considers Simini an easy target, either. Besides, if Daryl wanted an easy win, I doubt Simini would be the first choice.
In fact, if I were Simini, I'd be offended if someone said I was challenged because I was an easy target. Why would Simini be considered an easy target? Because she's got herself in a losing streak?
Then again, I'm not Simini.
" What really makes a Baron? I haven't seen one Baron that really stands out more than another. If I'm missing any Barons giving charity, holding schools, or whatever possible - Please, I'd like to know."
Zamhulem holds a school for new duelers.
Likewise, a couple current barons (myself included) are speaking with Avery in an attempt to hold another council meeting so we may find a way do something to benefit the Duel of Swords.
Regarding the challenge itself, my only regret in watching the match is having to see one of the two lose. Again, good luck you two.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:14:26 EST
" And I doubt Daryl thinks she is an easy target. Like they say, each duelist puts a little more into a challenge then a regular duel."
Being a teammate and captain of Daryl, I would like to add that I don't think Daryl considers Simini an easy target, either. Besides, if Daryl wanted an easy win, I doubt Simini would be the first choice.
In fact, if I were Simini, I'd be offended if someone said I was challenged because I was an easy target. Why would Simini be considered an easy target? Because she's got herself in a losing streak?
Then again, I'm not Simini.
" What really makes a Baron? I haven't seen one Baron that really stands out more than another. If I'm missing any Barons giving charity, holding schools, or whatever possible - Please, I'd like to know."
Zamhulem holds a school for new duelers.
Likewise, a couple current barons (myself included) are speaking with Avery in an attempt to hold another council meeting so we may find a way do something to benefit the Duel of Swords.
Regarding the challenge itself, my only regret in watching the match is having to see one of the two lose. Again, good luck you two.
Var Medici-Giovanni
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From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:59:15 EST
Taylara,
With all due respect, I don't see any better reasons for challenging than wanting a ring, with only one exception. That, of course, is that someone thinks the Baron they are challenging is unfit. Of course, even that is no reason to challenge unless you really think you will be a better Baron than the Baron you feel is unfit.
If you don't want a ring, you shouldn't challenge. If you do want a ring, you owe it to yourself to challenge. Likewise, if you do want a ring, what is wrong with picking the best possible opponents? If I weren't retired, and I were challenging again, I would pick either someone I had a personal problem with, or someone I respected a great deal. Daryl's remarks would tend to indicate that he has a lot of respect for Simini. So he is challenging her.
Good for him.
This is a sport first and foremost. Whether we like it or not, and not everyone likes it, there are only a few ways to measure success in a sport. The first of these is sportsmanship, in my opinion this is the most important. The second is achievement. Inwardly, this reflects the achievement of personal goals for personal satisaction. For instance, gaining a title if one wants one. Outwardly, this is reflected by demonstration of skill. Gaining and
holding a title is one of the best demonstrations of skill possible. What is wrong with desiring to succeed in a sport?
Finally, there seems to be two falacies in the thinking of many of the participants in this sport and members of this community. Firstly, the assumption that the challenger of a worthy title holder is automatically unworthy because they chose to challenge someone worthy. This is incorrect. Worthy people can compete fairly without either part assuming the aspect of 'bad guy'.
Secondly, many people seem to think that challenging someone is innately wronging or disrespecting the person challenged. This is also incorrect. As I am sure Ajay would tell you, our challenge was under the most amicable of circumstances with no disrespect on either side. If someone's challenge is made both respectfully and sportingly, what reason is there to attempt to read any sort of insult into such a challenge?
Personally, there seems to be a need in many people here to create some sort of hostile atmosphere for every challenge. If there isn't such an atmoshphere provided by the participants, spectators seem to feel the need to create it for themselves. Why? Are we so uncivilized that we have to turn a noble sport into a meaningless feud every time a gauntlet is thrown down?
I think we all need to examine our attitudes, preconceptions, and yes, our misconceptions, regarding the sport and our community. I don't think, in the long run, hostility is a substitute for sporting competition, or that the fire of anger is more pleasing than the heady glow of of a match well dueled for particpants and spectators alke.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Captain, Rising Stars
The White Duke
Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:59:15 EST
Taylara,
With all due respect, I don't see any better reasons for challenging than wanting a ring, with only one exception. That, of course, is that someone thinks the Baron they are challenging is unfit. Of course, even that is no reason to challenge unless you really think you will be a better Baron than the Baron you feel is unfit.
If you don't want a ring, you shouldn't challenge. If you do want a ring, you owe it to yourself to challenge. Likewise, if you do want a ring, what is wrong with picking the best possible opponents? If I weren't retired, and I were challenging again, I would pick either someone I had a personal problem with, or someone I respected a great deal. Daryl's remarks would tend to indicate that he has a lot of respect for Simini. So he is challenging her.
Good for him.
This is a sport first and foremost. Whether we like it or not, and not everyone likes it, there are only a few ways to measure success in a sport. The first of these is sportsmanship, in my opinion this is the most important. The second is achievement. Inwardly, this reflects the achievement of personal goals for personal satisaction. For instance, gaining a title if one wants one. Outwardly, this is reflected by demonstration of skill. Gaining and
holding a title is one of the best demonstrations of skill possible. What is wrong with desiring to succeed in a sport?
Finally, there seems to be two falacies in the thinking of many of the participants in this sport and members of this community. Firstly, the assumption that the challenger of a worthy title holder is automatically unworthy because they chose to challenge someone worthy. This is incorrect. Worthy people can compete fairly without either part assuming the aspect of 'bad guy'.
Secondly, many people seem to think that challenging someone is innately wronging or disrespecting the person challenged. This is also incorrect. As I am sure Ajay would tell you, our challenge was under the most amicable of circumstances with no disrespect on either side. If someone's challenge is made both respectfully and sportingly, what reason is there to attempt to read any sort of insult into such a challenge?
Personally, there seems to be a need in many people here to create some sort of hostile atmosphere for every challenge. If there isn't such an atmoshphere provided by the participants, spectators seem to feel the need to create it for themselves. Why? Are we so uncivilized that we have to turn a noble sport into a meaningless feud every time a gauntlet is thrown down?
I think we all need to examine our attitudes, preconceptions, and yes, our misconceptions, regarding the sport and our community. I don't think, in the long run, hostility is a substitute for sporting competition, or that the fire of anger is more pleasing than the heady glow of of a match well dueled for particpants and spectators alke.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Captain, Rising Stars
The White Duke
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From: rlupton@aol.com (RLupton)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 17:37:59 EST
"If I'm missing any Barons giving charity, holding schools, or whatever possible - Please, I'd like to know. I love hearing about those things. Right now, I'm just seeing the regular, standard Baron that just holds his ring and duels." -- Drey
It doesn't take a public relations officer to be a Baron. A good Baron inspires people to action, to be better people upon their entry, to be something more.
Currently, only two Barons, Rix and Simini, fit that. And they are great Barons that stand out and shine more than most ever can.
They possess a certain integrity, a certain class, a certain aura that makes them something most, myself included, can never hope to achieve.
They, literally, inspire me--and I'm sure others--to be a better person. You can't do that with a vault of gold for charity.
It takes more. The fact that you, Drey "haven't seen one Baron that really stands out more than another" frightens me, disturbs me, and disgusts me all at once.
Anyone can donate to charity. I do it constantly, but I'll never possess a degree of honor or class like those two "standard Barons," and neither will you.
~ Lupton est Dracoern
Date: 14 Nov 1999 17:37:59 EST
"If I'm missing any Barons giving charity, holding schools, or whatever possible - Please, I'd like to know. I love hearing about those things. Right now, I'm just seeing the regular, standard Baron that just holds his ring and duels." -- Drey
It doesn't take a public relations officer to be a Baron. A good Baron inspires people to action, to be better people upon their entry, to be something more.
Currently, only two Barons, Rix and Simini, fit that. And they are great Barons that stand out and shine more than most ever can.
They possess a certain integrity, a certain class, a certain aura that makes them something most, myself included, can never hope to achieve.
They, literally, inspire me--and I'm sure others--to be a better person. You can't do that with a vault of gold for charity.
It takes more. The fact that you, Drey "haven't seen one Baron that really stands out more than another" frightens me, disturbs me, and disgusts me all at once.
Anyone can donate to charity. I do it constantly, but I'll never possess a degree of honor or class like those two "standard Barons," and neither will you.
~ Lupton est Dracoern
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 19:51:57 EST
"A good Baron inspires people to action, to be better people upon their entry, to be something more."
And you can inspire people by a little giving. You seem to be obsessed with the thought of charity. Charity's just a small deal. There's a whole world out there. Anybody can give charity.
And no, I haven't seen a single thing in neither of them, but I'm glad Var spoke and told me of a meeting.
It could be that their subtle in what they do, but they are both real close to you (Simini and Rix). They may shine, but why do they shine? Because they only inspire you Lupton?
I'm talking outward effects, not a public relations officer. I'm not asking them to stand patrol, wash dishes, or even construct anything. I'm in fact, not asking them to do anything. It's all their choice of which road to follow.
>They possess a certain integrity, a certain class, a certain aura that makes
>them something most, myself included, can never hope to achieve.
They may, but like I said, you're close to both of them. You mean to tell me that only your friends stand fit as a Baron? That's quite something.
I haven't seen anyone standing out more than another. I'm not talking about frequenting the Arena or creating meetings. It's what they want to make of the Arena, or the expansion of the Arena IN the meetings. Expansion - Expanding the amount of patrons to say "Hey! Look! They've got a crew to clean up the skyboxes!" But not literally all like that, but that's the general idea.
Don't get me wrong and I don't want to sound hypocritical. It's not like I was/will be a great Baron as I'm speaking. It's nice to shoot for, isn't it?
- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke
Date: 14 Nov 1999 19:51:57 EST
"A good Baron inspires people to action, to be better people upon their entry, to be something more."
And you can inspire people by a little giving. You seem to be obsessed with the thought of charity. Charity's just a small deal. There's a whole world out there. Anybody can give charity.
And no, I haven't seen a single thing in neither of them, but I'm glad Var spoke and told me of a meeting.
It could be that their subtle in what they do, but they are both real close to you (Simini and Rix). They may shine, but why do they shine? Because they only inspire you Lupton?
I'm talking outward effects, not a public relations officer. I'm not asking them to stand patrol, wash dishes, or even construct anything. I'm in fact, not asking them to do anything. It's all their choice of which road to follow.
>They possess a certain integrity, a certain class, a certain aura that makes
>them something most, myself included, can never hope to achieve.
They may, but like I said, you're close to both of them. You mean to tell me that only your friends stand fit as a Baron? That's quite something.
I haven't seen anyone standing out more than another. I'm not talking about frequenting the Arena or creating meetings. It's what they want to make of the Arena, or the expansion of the Arena IN the meetings. Expansion - Expanding the amount of patrons to say "Hey! Look! They've got a crew to clean up the skyboxes!" But not literally all like that, but that's the general idea.
Don't get me wrong and I don't want to sound hypocritical. It's not like I was/will be a great Baron as I'm speaking. It's nice to shoot for, isn't it?
- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke
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From: maxim128@aol.com (Maxim128)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 20:49:02 EST
>A good Baron inspires people to action
Lupton,
If this is true, wouldn't even Damien be classified as a good Baron?
~Magnus~
Date: 14 Nov 1999 20:49:02 EST
>A good Baron inspires people to action
Lupton,
If this is true, wouldn't even Damien be classified as a good Baron?
~Magnus~
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From: rlupton@aol.com (RLupton)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 21:57:32 EST
"It could be that their subtle in what they do, but they are both real close to you (Simini and Rix). They may shine, but why do they shine? Because they only inspire you Lupton?"
You note my closeness to the two Barons, and it's true, I am. It's very likely I strived to become such, because of their traits. Other examples of similiar people would be the Bishop, Athlstan, and Siera Redwin.
"You mean to tell me that only your friends stand fit as a Baron? That's quite something."
I never once implied that. We were discussing superb Barons, by the way.
The rest of your post, frankly, made little sense, so I'm going to opt to veer away from it.
And in reply to Magnus, a clarification was found in the rest of the sentence you quoted.
~ Lup
Date: 14 Nov 1999 21:57:32 EST
"It could be that their subtle in what they do, but they are both real close to you (Simini and Rix). They may shine, but why do they shine? Because they only inspire you Lupton?"
You note my closeness to the two Barons, and it's true, I am. It's very likely I strived to become such, because of their traits. Other examples of similiar people would be the Bishop, Athlstan, and Siera Redwin.
"You mean to tell me that only your friends stand fit as a Baron? That's quite something."
I never once implied that. We were discussing superb Barons, by the way.
The rest of your post, frankly, made little sense, so I'm going to opt to veer away from it.
And in reply to Magnus, a clarification was found in the rest of the sentence you quoted.
~ Lup
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From: rlupton@aol.com (RLupton)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 21:57:32 EST
"It could be that their subtle in what they do, but they are both real close to you (Simini and Rix). They may shine, but why do they shine? Because they only inspire you Lupton?"
You note my closeness to the two Barons, and it's true, I am. It's very likely I strived to become such, because of their traits. Other examples of similiar people would be the Bishop, Athlstan, and Siera Redwin.
"You mean to tell me that only your friends stand fit as a Baron? That's quite something."
I never once implied that. We were discussing superb Barons, by the way.
The rest of your post, frankly, made little sense, so I'm going to opt to veer away from it.
And in reply to Magnus, a clarification was found in the rest of the sentence you quoted.
~ Lup
Date: 14 Nov 1999 21:57:32 EST
"It could be that their subtle in what they do, but they are both real close to you (Simini and Rix). They may shine, but why do they shine? Because they only inspire you Lupton?"
You note my closeness to the two Barons, and it's true, I am. It's very likely I strived to become such, because of their traits. Other examples of similiar people would be the Bishop, Athlstan, and Siera Redwin.
"You mean to tell me that only your friends stand fit as a Baron? That's quite something."
I never once implied that. We were discussing superb Barons, by the way.
The rest of your post, frankly, made little sense, so I'm going to opt to veer away from it.
And in reply to Magnus, a clarification was found in the rest of the sentence you quoted.
~ Lup
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From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 15 Nov 1999 01:13:03 EST
> In fact, if I were Simini, I'd be offended if someone said I was
>challenged because I was an easy target.
My words, Baron Medici Giovanni were..
"and ya think Baroness Simini a easy target"
I dinnae say Baroness Simini was a easy target.
Respectfully,
~Tay~
Date: 15 Nov 1999 01:13:03 EST
> In fact, if I were Simini, I'd be offended if someone said I was
>challenged because I was an easy target.
My words, Baron Medici Giovanni were..
"and ya think Baroness Simini a easy target"
I dinnae say Baroness Simini was a easy target.
Respectfully,
~Tay~
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From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 15 Nov 1999 01:27:22 EST
>Who are you impressing, Tay?
Not you, Drey.....
>>I find no honor or enhancement of skill within your reason.
>
> That was utterly rude, if you think about it.
I dinnae say it, Daryl did.....let me quote from his challenge letter for you, Drey!
"I mean no disrespect to Lady Simini, no disrespect at all. Quite simply I challenge to further my skills within the Duel of Swords and get a dream I've had since starting
nearly two years ago---To get a Baronial Ring. I am sure that we can get the challenge done quickly and honorably and that is all I wish. "
Anything else Drey??
~Tay~
Date: 15 Nov 1999 01:27:22 EST
>Who are you impressing, Tay?
Not you, Drey.....
>>I find no honor or enhancement of skill within your reason.
>
> That was utterly rude, if you think about it.
I dinnae say it, Daryl did.....let me quote from his challenge letter for you, Drey!
"I mean no disrespect to Lady Simini, no disrespect at all. Quite simply I challenge to further my skills within the Duel of Swords and get a dream I've had since starting
nearly two years ago---To get a Baronial Ring. I am sure that we can get the challenge done quickly and honorably and that is all I wish. "
Anything else Drey??
~Tay~
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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 15 Nov 1999 02:18:36 EST
Lupton...
While I am not implying anything bad about Rix, I have not seen him around the Arena very often, nor have I seen him actively or by example improving the respect and attitude of the general populous of the Duel of Swords.
He is a fine dueler, and a fine person... but I think he falls short of the other Baron you cite as an example, Simini.
Drey...
To start, Baroness Simini gives of her personal time to call duels in an extremely professional and skillful manner. She is always respectful to her opponents and to the other patrons of the Arena.
Baron G'nort often teaches dueling, and has a generally cheerful manner. He duels for the pleasure of dueling... and that attitude is obvious to any who watch him, providing a good example to those around him.
As has already been mentioned, Baron Zamhulem runs a dueling school. He is a fine dueler who is very approachable and more than willing to offer his assistance in most any endeavor.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
Date: 15 Nov 1999 02:18:36 EST
Lupton...
While I am not implying anything bad about Rix, I have not seen him around the Arena very often, nor have I seen him actively or by example improving the respect and attitude of the general populous of the Duel of Swords.
He is a fine dueler, and a fine person... but I think he falls short of the other Baron you cite as an example, Simini.
Drey...
To start, Baroness Simini gives of her personal time to call duels in an extremely professional and skillful manner. She is always respectful to her opponents and to the other patrons of the Arena.
Baron G'nort often teaches dueling, and has a generally cheerful manner. He duels for the pleasure of dueling... and that attitude is obvious to any who watch him, providing a good example to those around him.
As has already been mentioned, Baron Zamhulem runs a dueling school. He is a fine dueler who is very approachable and more than willing to offer his assistance in most any endeavor.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.