From: mystikkialynna@aol.com (MystikKialynna)
Date: 21 Nov 1999 17:51:02 EST
A short note penned ta the unnamed one questioning...
Actually to know knowledge she indeed sought the council of several, bot officials and those of the Council in this matter...
Mystik
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From: humadragbn@aol.com (HumaDragbn)
Date: 21 Nov 1999 18:26:03 EST
Here's an idea...imagine the current baron is me. Just treat them how you would me, and stop arguing already.
Huma
Date: 21 Nov 1999 18:26:03 EST
Here's an idea...imagine the current baron is me. Just treat them how you would me, and stop arguing already.
Huma
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From: druidwalkerboh@aol.com (Druid Walker Boh)
Date: 21 Nov 1999 18:29:02 EST
>"Why should a baron be held to forfeit his ring because his challenger failed
>to attend the Challenge Match?"
So great a precedent was set by the ruling Council I was on when Huma challenged Dal the 2nd time, that I now wish that I hadn't been, to possibly be forever associated with a ruling for stripping people of challenge or title due to actions that had nothing to do with their actions in regards to the official challenge process.
The suggestion that the 8th be championed by someone seems abosultely ludicrous. Who is to be the defender of the ring? If Damien were to defend, that would imply both that Ariadne was negligent in not arriving at the proscribed time, and thus her challenge should be revoked, and that Damien was negligent in some other way, most likely in setting a time that Ariadne could not make. But how could both of those be true? If Damien set a time that
couldn't be made, Ariadne should not be held responsible.
So that leaves the possiblity of stripping Damien of the ring and having Ariadne challenge the champion. However, doing this would imply that it was Damien who forfeited the match. Even if Damien was negligent for setting a date/time that couldn't be made by the challenger, the standings keeper did state it was the official time for the match. It could be that the standing's keeper was negligent in posting this information, but by posting it,
Damien had reason to believe that it was the official time. But without access to the documents passed among the officials, challengers, and the rest of the council, I cannot substantiate any of these claims.
In any case, it seems clear that if Ariadne had expressed before hand she could not make the given date/time, and tried to change it, that a new date/time should be found that they both agree on. If she didn't show up because she just forgot, well, that is rather a trivial case.
Oh....to be on the council again....
-Walker
Date: 21 Nov 1999 18:29:02 EST
>"Why should a baron be held to forfeit his ring because his challenger failed
>to attend the Challenge Match?"
So great a precedent was set by the ruling Council I was on when Huma challenged Dal the 2nd time, that I now wish that I hadn't been, to possibly be forever associated with a ruling for stripping people of challenge or title due to actions that had nothing to do with their actions in regards to the official challenge process.
The suggestion that the 8th be championed by someone seems abosultely ludicrous. Who is to be the defender of the ring? If Damien were to defend, that would imply both that Ariadne was negligent in not arriving at the proscribed time, and thus her challenge should be revoked, and that Damien was negligent in some other way, most likely in setting a time that Ariadne could not make. But how could both of those be true? If Damien set a time that
couldn't be made, Ariadne should not be held responsible.
So that leaves the possiblity of stripping Damien of the ring and having Ariadne challenge the champion. However, doing this would imply that it was Damien who forfeited the match. Even if Damien was negligent for setting a date/time that couldn't be made by the challenger, the standings keeper did state it was the official time for the match. It could be that the standing's keeper was negligent in posting this information, but by posting it,
Damien had reason to believe that it was the official time. But without access to the documents passed among the officials, challengers, and the rest of the council, I cannot substantiate any of these claims.
In any case, it seems clear that if Ariadne had expressed before hand she could not make the given date/time, and tried to change it, that a new date/time should be found that they both agree on. If she didn't show up because she just forgot, well, that is rather a trivial case.
Oh....to be on the council again....
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From: bodebojangles@aol.com (Bode BoJangles)
Date: 21 Nov 1999 21:35:39 EST
>First, who are you "defending"? Because it's quite possible that the Baron
>did do something wrong. And, if you'd want my opinion, I actually beleive
>that Damien set it up so that Angel couldn't show up to the match, despite
>her attempts to set a date she could make.
Ya know, G, I might of thought the baron feller did something wrong had anyone stated a nice reason why the boy should lose the ring among what seemed like personal feelings for him to just lose it 'cause they don't like him. But I thank ya for finally clearing things up.
Now, if'n I may, why don't your council set up the time and caller that both the baron and challenger gal agree on, so the rest of us get a chance to see a nice fight?
Bode - for hire
Date: 21 Nov 1999 21:35:39 EST
>First, who are you "defending"? Because it's quite possible that the Baron
>did do something wrong. And, if you'd want my opinion, I actually beleive
>that Damien set it up so that Angel couldn't show up to the match, despite
>her attempts to set a date she could make.
Ya know, G, I might of thought the baron feller did something wrong had anyone stated a nice reason why the boy should lose the ring among what seemed like personal feelings for him to just lose it 'cause they don't like him. But I thank ya for finally clearing things up.
Now, if'n I may, why don't your council set up the time and caller that both the baron and challenger gal agree on, so the rest of us get a chance to see a nice fight?
Bode - for hire
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From: jeffoakenshield@aol.com (Jeff Oakenshield)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 00:06:14 EST
Ta everyone, including Huma, who still cries and moans dat he was treated unfairly, I'll sum it up fer ya.
Huma agreed ta forfeit if he lost ta me, he lost ta me. He tried ta go back on his word, Council nailed him fer it. End of story.
Both men were not stripped of da title, since Dal retained it. I highly doubt da 8th will lay vacant, da council will deliberate as ta who's fault it is and punish dat person. When Huma faced Dal, da council found Huma at fault, so he was punished.
Huma, you always whine and bitch like ya were treated unfairly. Well kid, maybe ya shouldn't have acted like such a tough guy at da time tryin' ta remove me. Maybe yer dumb ass shoulda just taken da forfeit of Dal and left as OL. Bite off more dan ya can chew and ya get burned.
Shut up already.
~J
Date: 22 Nov 1999 00:06:14 EST
Ta everyone, including Huma, who still cries and moans dat he was treated unfairly, I'll sum it up fer ya.
Huma agreed ta forfeit if he lost ta me, he lost ta me. He tried ta go back on his word, Council nailed him fer it. End of story.
Both men were not stripped of da title, since Dal retained it. I highly doubt da 8th will lay vacant, da council will deliberate as ta who's fault it is and punish dat person. When Huma faced Dal, da council found Huma at fault, so he was punished.
Huma, you always whine and bitch like ya were treated unfairly. Well kid, maybe ya shouldn't have acted like such a tough guy at da time tryin' ta remove me. Maybe yer dumb ass shoulda just taken da forfeit of Dal and left as OL. Bite off more dan ya can chew and ya get burned.
Shut up already.
~J
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From: karnafexx@aol.com (Karnafexx)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 03:35:10 EST
Although the unnamed writer states that there had been precedence set with regard to the fact that both challenger and title holder must agree on a time to duel, the powers that be seem to have not considered it valuable enough to set it in stone.
Since when should the challenged have to set a time and place that is convenient to the challenger? THAT is ludicrous! You wish to take something another person has AND you want them to set their schedule up so that it suits your purposes?
If the challenged can give a time when it is in his\her best interest to duel and an official can be found, then it is the challengers duty to capitulate to the challenged and rearrange their schedule.
If the challenger is unable to attend the duel at the convenience of the challenged, then the challenger should withdraw their challenge.
BRK
Date: 22 Nov 1999 03:35:10 EST
Although the unnamed writer states that there had been precedence set with regard to the fact that both challenger and title holder must agree on a time to duel, the powers that be seem to have not considered it valuable enough to set it in stone.
Since when should the challenged have to set a time and place that is convenient to the challenger? THAT is ludicrous! You wish to take something another person has AND you want them to set their schedule up so that it suits your purposes?
If the challenged can give a time when it is in his\her best interest to duel and an official can be found, then it is the challengers duty to capitulate to the challenged and rearrange their schedule.
If the challenger is unable to attend the duel at the convenience of the challenged, then the challenger should withdraw their challenge.
BRK
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From: elijaheagleecore@aol.com (ElijahEagleEcore)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 09:59:42 EST
::tacked to the BRK response is the following short response::
Apparently, Lupton felt otherwise. The Baron's Council threatened to take the ring from Ecore if he did not meet the challenger's time, after the challenged already set a time that worked better for their schedule. Funny, on the double standard of the rings.
Date: 22 Nov 1999 09:59:42 EST
::tacked to the BRK response is the following short response::
Apparently, Lupton felt otherwise. The Baron's Council threatened to take the ring from Ecore if he did not meet the challenger's time, after the challenged already set a time that worked better for their schedule. Funny, on the double standard of the rings.
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From: xxthemessengerxx@aol.com (XxTheMessengerxX)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 15:25:04 EST
Community,
The barons have met and voted on the issue at hand. I would like to praise them for doing this quickly and without hassle. I can't remember a time that it happened so fast.
The Barons council has voted to allow them to reschedule the match for another date. A wise decision in my eyes, yet my opinion was not expressed until now. Again, I want to thank the barons for all their work.
As written by Christopher
Avery Shiv Blade
Overlord
Date: 22 Nov 1999 15:25:04 EST
Community,
The barons have met and voted on the issue at hand. I would like to praise them for doing this quickly and without hassle. I can't remember a time that it happened so fast.
The Barons council has voted to allow them to reschedule the match for another date. A wise decision in my eyes, yet my opinion was not expressed until now. Again, I want to thank the barons for all their work.
As written by Christopher
Avery Shiv Blade
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:28:19 EST
"If the challenger is unable to attend the duel at the convenience of the challenged, then the challenger should withdraw their challenge."
Bull. Total and utter bull.
If the situation went on as has been explained by Gnort, Ariadne should *not*, I repeat *NOT* have to withdraw the challenge because the Baron in question is such an utterly selfish boob that a date cannot be compromised even after several attempts by her to schedule a time proper for both Challenger and Baron, regardless of any temper tantrum that may or may *not* have occured during the night the match was to have happened. No one and I mean
*NO ONE* has the right to act like an arse simply because they have some special standing in the sport.
~Sidartha Elgarette
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:28:19 EST
"If the challenger is unable to attend the duel at the convenience of the challenged, then the challenger should withdraw their challenge."
Bull. Total and utter bull.
If the situation went on as has been explained by Gnort, Ariadne should *not*, I repeat *NOT* have to withdraw the challenge because the Baron in question is such an utterly selfish boob that a date cannot be compromised even after several attempts by her to schedule a time proper for both Challenger and Baron, regardless of any temper tantrum that may or may *not* have occured during the night the match was to have happened. No one and I mean
*NO ONE* has the right to act like an arse simply because they have some special standing in the sport.
~Sidartha Elgarette
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From: lordgunthr@aol.com (LordGunthr)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:52:12 EST
Well done council, I must commend you on your quick actions. And Jeff, why are you smart?
Gunthar O'dwyer
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:52:12 EST
Well done council, I must commend you on your quick actions. And Jeff, why are you smart?
Gunthar O'dwyer
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From: mariusix@aol.com (Marius IX)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:52:39 EST
>>No one and I mean *NO ONE* has the right to act like an arse simply because they have some special standing in the sport.<<
Not even me Sid?
Jocundly,
~Mar
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:52:39 EST
>>No one and I mean *NO ONE* has the right to act like an arse simply because they have some special standing in the sport.<<
Not even me Sid?
Jocundly,
~Mar
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From: humadragbn@aol.com (HumaDragbn)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:56:29 EST
Setting the record straight, I don't cry, I no longer care Jeff. Only people who haven't let it go are those well...like you Jeff.
I mearly offered a soultion to the current problem.
Speaking of which...as I was informed when I had lost the fourth, it not *my* ring...dispite your reputation...what gives you the right to lay claim to the eighth as yours?
Further more, what makes you so *perfect* as to say the current holder *stains* it?
Who gives anyone the right to pass judgement on others? Everyone has thier own paths and beliefs...and to single an individual out and say that they are a black mark upon society is, well, it's considered "slander" i do believe, and /or it's not right by any society.
I feel that this community has gotten it's just desserts. Everyone encouraged the type of people as Jeff as pointed out as a *stain*. So...now we wallow in it.
I don't care. I'm here for the sceneary
The Huminator
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:56:29 EST
Setting the record straight, I don't cry, I no longer care Jeff. Only people who haven't let it go are those well...like you Jeff.
I mearly offered a soultion to the current problem.
Speaking of which...as I was informed when I had lost the fourth, it not *my* ring...dispite your reputation...what gives you the right to lay claim to the eighth as yours?
Further more, what makes you so *perfect* as to say the current holder *stains* it?
Who gives anyone the right to pass judgement on others? Everyone has thier own paths and beliefs...and to single an individual out and say that they are a black mark upon society is, well, it's considered "slander" i do believe, and /or it's not right by any society.
I feel that this community has gotten it's just desserts. Everyone encouraged the type of people as Jeff as pointed out as a *stain*. So...now we wallow in it.
I don't care. I'm here for the sceneary
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 21:24:35 EST
"Further more, what makes you so *perfect* as to say the current holder *stains* it?"
What better way to cast insults, then to throw them at a person like Ariadne and Damien? Obviously easy targets.
Ariadne would stain the ring. Why? I've witnessed her, and I've witnessed her progress. She hasn't even gotten a chance. Everyone is jumping the fence and screaming "You've no right to hold that (My, for some cases) ring!"
Damien is, just... Damien. Good duelist, poor sportsmanship, and just not very bright. Reminds me of a lot of other duelists. That could include myself. I know for a fact Lupton chooses his dates without the challengers consent, so why can't Damien follow *tradition?*
Damien has shown he can win, but he hasn't learned to shut his trap.
- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke
Date: 22 Nov 1999 21:24:35 EST
"Further more, what makes you so *perfect* as to say the current holder *stains* it?"
What better way to cast insults, then to throw them at a person like Ariadne and Damien? Obviously easy targets.
Ariadne would stain the ring. Why? I've witnessed her, and I've witnessed her progress. She hasn't even gotten a chance. Everyone is jumping the fence and screaming "You've no right to hold that (My, for some cases) ring!"
Damien is, just... Damien. Good duelist, poor sportsmanship, and just not very bright. Reminds me of a lot of other duelists. That could include myself. I know for a fact Lupton chooses his dates without the challengers consent, so why can't Damien follow *tradition?*
Damien has shown he can win, but he hasn't learned to shut his trap.
- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke
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From: humadragbn@aol.com (HumaDragbn)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 21:44:07 EST
> Damien has shown he can win, but he hasn't learned to shut his trap.
There's alot of that here...and I must confess, I am guilty of it as well.
Humy
Date: 22 Nov 1999 21:44:07 EST
> Damien has shown he can win, but he hasn't learned to shut his trap.
There's alot of that here...and I must confess, I am guilty of it as well.
Humy
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From: jeffoakenshield@aol.com (Jeff Oakenshield)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 22:06:38 EST
I'm not sure who is postin' in Elijah's defense, but he or she is certainly skewin' what actually happened.
Elijah set da date and time fer a Wednesday afternoon at 3 pm by da eastern reckoning. No one should be expected ta meet such a ludicrous time when most of da world is working, including Lupton. Furthermore, Elijah's stubborness was due mostly in part because Lupton did not wish RDI Stormi ta officiate da match, and she was Elijah's first choice. Stormi, gracious lady dat she is, publically removed herself as an option so as not ta cause a bigger
ruckus. However, Elijah continued ta seek a "vengeance" against Lupton's denial of his choice caller. He set an unreasonable time, and furthermore, even after Stormi's request ta step down, gave Lupton da ultimatum. Meet him at 3 pm, or meet him with Stormi callin' at another date and time.
It was extremely unreasonable on da baron's part, which is why da council ruled as it did.
~J
Date: 22 Nov 1999 22:06:38 EST
I'm not sure who is postin' in Elijah's defense, but he or she is certainly skewin' what actually happened.
Elijah set da date and time fer a Wednesday afternoon at 3 pm by da eastern reckoning. No one should be expected ta meet such a ludicrous time when most of da world is working, including Lupton. Furthermore, Elijah's stubborness was due mostly in part because Lupton did not wish RDI Stormi ta officiate da match, and she was Elijah's first choice. Stormi, gracious lady dat she is, publically removed herself as an option so as not ta cause a bigger
ruckus. However, Elijah continued ta seek a "vengeance" against Lupton's denial of his choice caller. He set an unreasonable time, and furthermore, even after Stormi's request ta step down, gave Lupton da ultimatum. Meet him at 3 pm, or meet him with Stormi callin' at another date and time.
It was extremely unreasonable on da baron's part, which is why da council ruled as it did.
~J