challenge for the 8th

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From: zamhulem@aol.com (Zamhulem)
Date: 24 Nov 1999 17:58:53 EST

I can nae stand idle any longer on this matter.
1. Angel had to struggle her way up to Warlady and dueled several months before reaching that rank but when she did gain rank she did it rapidly.
2. Yes Angel is a bit talkative at times during dueling but that is only cause of her caring for fellow duelists.
3. It is my beleif that Damien did intentionally misinform Angel in the challenge scheduling and furthermore I was under the impression that his week was up from the time of the peer win validation. Meaning Angel's only fault in that is that she did not see the posted time and inform the caller of the challenge that she wouldn't be there. She did however bring it up with myself and other officials as far as I am aware.
4. She at no time stepped from the ring during a duel with an oponent as far as I have ever seen and flatly denies ever doing so when I asked her about it. I for one beleive her.

And as for my vote on the matter. I felt that Damien not answering the challenge in the alloted time should have been punished according to the rules. If he did answer it within the time allowed by the rules then I my vote would be for a rescheduling. Furthermore as far as I am aware the time must be agreed to by both the challenger and the challenged in order for it to be considered a forfiet by either of the duelsts that do not show. Correct me if
I am wrong on that one.
If there is any fault with Angel then I place myself responsible as her Teacher I am to blame.
Well that's about it for now.



Zamhulem protector of the meek and weilder of SoulBinder

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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 24 Nov 1999 18:57:43 EST

"3. It is my beleif that Damien did intentionally misinform Angel in the challenge scheduling and furthermore I was under the impression that his week was up from the time of the peer win validation. Meaning Angel's only fault in that is that she did not see the posted time and inform the caller of the challenge that she wouldn't be there. She did however bring it up with myself and other officials as far as I am aware."

While I agree, Zam, that Damien should be punished for not responding within the alotted time frame, I do not feel that's what the council was gathered for in this case. We were told to decide what should happen to Angel when she failed to appear at the match. I personally think Golden or Drake should rule it as an abdication if they decide on such. If, however, we are brought forth to make the decision, then I will make my vote.


Var Medici-Giovanni


Proud Father, Proud Husband

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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 24 Nov 1999 19:07:46 EST

>1. Angel had to struggle her way up to Warlady and dueled several months
>before reaching that rank but when she did gain rank she did it rapidly.

Then she did not gain rank rapidly. Plus, she just isn't a notable duelist anyway.

>2. Yes Angel is a bit talkative at times during dueling but that is only
>cause of her caring for fellow duelists.

Caring? I think not. It shows her ignorance and rudeness that she does not pay attention to those she should be paying attention to. The ones she's fighting in the ring. Had she fought the challenge match, she likely would have served everyone drinks while the match was going on, while discussing all sorts of other typically mindless points of conversation that she normally partakes in.

>3. It is my beleif that Damien did intentionally misinform Angel in the
>challenge scheduling and furthermore I was under the impression that his week
>was up from the time of the peer win validation. Meaning Angel's only fault
>in that is that she did not see the posted time and inform the caller of the
>challenge that she wouldn't be there. She did however bring it up with myself
>and other officials as far as I am aware.

I believe he tried to screw Angel too. However, that is why the rematch was voted on in order to get them to duel at a time they can both make. As for the "week being up" Well, Damien has stated that he responded in time. I, for one, would like to see the time stamps on each delivered note before I make claims that "Time was up".

>4. She at no time stepped from the ring during a duel with an oponent as far
>as I have ever seen and flatly denies ever doing so when I asked her about
>it. I for one beleive her.

That is likely because you're thinking with the wrong head, Zam. I've seen her do plenty of stupid and ignorant things while dueling, and in fact, she -has- left the ring while facing me. More or less to run out and "hug" some random friend of hers who had just entered the Arena. If that's not leaving the ring during the match, I would like to know what is.

>If there is any fault with Angel then I place myself responsible as her
>Teacher I am to blame.
>Well that's about it for now.

Better get to work in teaching her how to be a respectful, honorable duelist, cause for right now, she sure isn't.

As far as this "match" is concerned, Though I voted that these two duel again at a time convienent for both, I, through personal opinion, think that Damien should be stripped of the ring, and Angel stripped of her peer wins. Both are too stupid to hold titles.

G

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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 24 Nov 1999 20:43:07 EST

>> Aerenth (Sorry, bud. ;) )
Fyn Mctege
Cassius Maximius, if I do remember.
Cletus Ganderfald
G'nort, I think.
Galin Taelca
Zamhumlem
Falablah, if I'm not mistaken.
Tassle
Auritan (the Meek)
Ceridwin
Xerzes
Hunter Mano
Guillermus
Isaah Prince
Illusia
Kattya
Zodiac
Xavier
Bode BoJangles
Bargos McConahue<<

::adds her name to the list:: Sidartha Elgarette.

I've been dueling for around six years and have never made it above Mistress-at-Arms.

Hope this helps you make your point, Drey.

~Sid

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From: daedragonsblade@aol.com (Dae Dragonsblade)
Date: 24 Nov 1999 20:50:53 EST

Ok, let me just respond to this because I can't sit here and say anything.

Zam,

I don't know exactly what it is but you must have a deep caring for Angel or either a deep hate for Damien, or both. Damien (as informed to the Council by Drake) had answered the challenge a few matters of hours after the deadline. Personally, I see that as invalid in ruling a decision because if it is hours, it is on the same date as it was due, therefore if the challenge was issued at *hypothetically* October 8th at 3 pm and he answered it on
October 15th at 6pm he still responded within a week, not the exact week but I'm sure some would see my point. Secondly, both failed to respond to the others letters. Thirdly, I have (among other patrons) seen Angel run out of the ring like some starlet in the plays back East and hug people..it reminds me much of Aspen. Your intentions may be good in trying to protect her, but she hardly needs any, except maybe from herself because as it has been
pointed out, neither one of these two deserves a titled rank. That's why I voted for a rematch, we can't let personal matters interfere with our decisions even if she is your student, and neither of them commited a greater evil than the other and we shouldn't even be voting on this issue, so I felt my decision was right. Can you honestly say that stripping Damien would be right, Baron of the Seventh?

I'm beginnning to see what Cassius was talking about with worrying about former titles people have held.


::scrawled in blazing blue ink::

~Daelin Dragonsblade~

~Regent King of Dragonia~

~Twice Baron of the Seventh and Current Baron of the Eleventh~

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 24 Nov 1999 22:18:01 EST

Baron Turidan,

Ah do trust thee aire aware th' warlord, Daegarth Mithmellon, former Overlord an' 'older 'o ta Second,' Fourth, Seventh, Eighth an' Nineth Rings didst offer thee th' courtesy. Perchance thee aire nae aware th' ta Shadow Lord hae long shown 'is respect fer this ancient sport.

Ast ta yuir statement that ta matter 'o ta Goddess nae appearing fer ta challenge she didst offer unta ta Baron Mortis wast pointless ta bring ta ta Council speaks more ta th' point that thee seem ta feel th' ta Coucil shouldst turn a blind eye ta th' matter, considering yuir own statement that thee didst err in nae showin' fer yuir own challenge. Certes thee wouldst nae wish ta cast a vote agin someone fer doing ast thee thineself didst, which
wast ta nae appear fer ta match.

Baron Zamhulem,

Indeed, thee aire ta one what lays claim ta being ta one wh' hae taught ta Goddess? Were thee also nae ta one wh' 'taught' Methous fer a time? Perchance thee wouldst announce wh' other nitwits thee hae taken under yuir wing? Baron, tis nae annathin' set in stone wh' says th' ta time mus' be agreed 'pon, tis bu' a courtesy, nothin' more nor less.
Madame Silvertree hast indicated th' ta Baron didst offer two choices unta th' challengin' Goddess, wouldst thee hae 'im ta offer ad nauseum? Thee were nae in ta basement ta witness ta amusement ta Goddess displayed later th' eve, nor verra oft present ta witness either ta Baron nor ta Goddess' utter disdain fer th' ancient sport. An' jus' when didst ta Goddess bring ta matter ta thee an' ta officials ast thee state?

Indeed, Zamhulem, thine statement th' ta Goddess nae stepped from ta ring whilst duelin' be patently false, fer tis it hast been witnessed. If'n ta Goddess hae, ast thee hae stated, flatly denied doin' such, she be makin' ast well a patently false statement an' be doin' so unta thee wh' claim ta hae taught 'er. Dost accept also th' responsibility fer 'er deceit, sirrah? Tis Ah notice ta Goddess hae been verra silent, leavin' it ta others ta speak
fer 'er.

Carin' 'o 'er fellow duelist? How utterly droll th' claim. Perchance ta Goddess hae such disdain fer being in ta ring wi' a sharp pointy object she feels nae need atall ta pay one whit 'o attention? Ast ta Baron Gnort hae so deftly stated, ta Goddess indeed shows 'er ignorance an' rudeness ta 'er opponents.

Gnort,
Indeed, t'would be right interestin' ta hae a copy 'o ta missives an' ta question ta couriers ast ta th' time they were delivered an' accepted. T'was a time when ta Barons ast well ast ta officials were kept aware 'o all particulars wi' respect ta challenges.

Ast thee hae penned, Baron, ta challenge be a debacle, a comedy, a pitiful example 'o ta depths ta which th' once glorious sport hae fallen.

Madame Elgarette,

Again thee resort ta ta childish lunacy 'o thinkin' tis mne comments unta thee be ast thee term personal or bickerin'. They be neither, they be quite simply an observation ''pon yuir less than deft ability wi' ta common tongue an ta observation th' such more oft be 'eard amidst those wh' hae taken ta frequentin' docksides an' such.

Madame, ast be yuir usual lunacy, tis Ah am nae defendin' either ta man nor ta nitwit Goddess. Thee, Madame, certes be in a position ta pronounce what thee perceive ast petty spite, thee hae shown thineself rather adept in th' regard yuirself, neh? Tis amusin' thee wouldst state th' Damien Mortis shouldst rise 'bove it when ye yuirself dinna.

Ast ta wh' other situations Ah am alludin' ta, Madame, thee hae so oft claimed thee hae been duelin' fer years an' nae be aware? 'ow interestin'. Even more interestin' be yuir comment th' ye wouldst need ta know more ta form an opinion, th' hae nae stopped thee from offerin' one in similar circumstances. Be thee turnin' over a new leaf? How amusin'.

Jonalyn Starfare

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 24 Nov 1999 22:42:25 EST

Baron Zamhulem,

Perchance thee nae considered removing yuirself from ta Council's delibertations in light 'o ta fact that ast ta Goddess be yuir student, thee mahap hae a conflict 'o interest?

Baron Daelin,

Madame Silvertree hae made accomodations fer others wh' hae challenged an been issued challenge an' ta mine knowledge hae nae followed ta letter 'o ta law when overseein' such matters. If indeed ta Baron Mortis failed ta hae 'is courier arrive at Madame Silvertree's abode with proper dispatch ta Baron wouldst indeed be properly judged ast havin' abdicated an' ta matter sent ta ta Council fer adjudication. Be Madame Silvertree again tamperin' wi'
challenges an' ta proper rights an' duties 'o ta Council?

Indeed, Baron Dragonsblade, thee ast well ast others hae noticed ta Goddess' ludicrous manners

Baron Var Medici-Giovanni,

May Ah inquire ast ta whom it was wh' told th' Council jus' what matters they mayest rule upon? It seems ta becomin' more an' more clear th' ast thee hae noted an' ast commented 'pon by ta Baron Dragonsblade th' ta Baron Mortis wast remiss ast well ast ta Goddess an' perhaps ast well Madame Silvertree again.

Jonalyn Starfare

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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 24 Nov 1999 22:56:28 EST

Queen Consort~

Until you can gather the personal discipline to keep your comments to the subject, rather than me, I will not reply.

~Sidartha Elgarette

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From: carnage669@aol.com (Carnage669)
Date: 25 Nov 1999 00:35:10 EST



First off, let me put this to rest...Damien -did- respond to this challenge in the alloted time frame. After consulting with the messenger service Damein used I have, in my possesion, a copy of the letter of verification and Damien's acceptance, with dates and time stamped upon them. Damien did respond to this challenge in the alloted one week time frame. Maybe Drake is going by when she read the letter, rather than when it was sent.


Cletus

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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 25 Nov 1999 00:43:14 EST

"May Ah inquire ast ta whom it was wh' told th' Council jus' what matters they mayest rule upon? It seems ta becomin' more an' more clear th' ast thee hae noted an' ast commented 'pon by ta Baron Dragonsblade th' ta Baron Mortis wast remiss ast well ast ta Goddess an' perhaps ast well Madame Silvertree again."

Of course you may ask, Jona. You know me well enough to know I won't sit in denial. However, perhaps it was a foolish assumption when I read what KF wrote upon these very boards:

"upon this night, damien was present for his match and waited his prescribed about of time for which the challenger, angel, dinna arrive and is held to be in forfeit.

the matter is now to be handed over to the council for their decision.

kf"

Of course, I assumed we were instructed to make a ruling based upon the forfeit of Angel.
Mind you, I DID bring up the question initially as to whether or not the challenge was officially accepted in time. Drake then wrote, among other facts, the letter came a few hours after the deadline, yet she let it go.
In all honesty, it was a tough decision for me. Does not the ruling of the officials supercede the ruling of the council? If it is already ruled the challenge was valid, then I felt that the council had no power upon it; at least, that was my point of view.
Perhaps you may, or someone else may, call it bad judgement. However, I'll be the first to say I'm not perfect, and while some may find fault with my decision, I used my best judgement.


Var Medici-Giovanni


Proud Father, Proud Husband

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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 25 Nov 1999 02:17:46 EST



Well then, Cletus,

I suggest Damien, not you, allow the Barons Council and the officials of the sport involved, to see these time stamps rather than just "saying" that it was legal.

No offense, but just going on word alone isn't going to cut it. Not for this kind of situation.

Also, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not favoring either one of these duelists, as they are both unworthy, in my opinion.

G

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From: maxim128@aol.com (Maxim128)
Date: 25 Nov 1999 02:49:01 EST



Cletus left me these letters before he left Rhydin to take care of other matters. I hope this will finally put this argument to rest.

~Magnus


Subj: Re: Challenge to the Eighth.....
Date: 11/11/1999 10:53:01 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RDI Drake
To: AngelDst19, Damien Mortis, (and the rest of the council)

Warlady, Baron, members of the Council.

Having reviewed the Warlady's peer wins, I see no reason for this duel not to go forth. I hereby turn this matter over to the Baron for him to arrange the particulars.

Lady Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree


Subj: com an' ge' me
Date: 11/17/1999 8:08:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Damien Mortis
To: RDI Drake, ANGELDST19



alrite chod
yu want my ring
com and get it
this Saturdey at 9 (est)
we gonna fit in the arina


Damien Mortis

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From: zamhulem@aol.com (Zamhulem)
Date: 25 Nov 1999 18:15:49 EST

To set the record straight I did nae make my judgment out of feelings for either the Baron or the Warlady. I simply stated that IF The letter in answer to the challenge had not been met within the proper time then the rules should be followed otherwise ; altho I found the whole matter poorly handled by both parties involved; I had no problem with going ahead with the rescheduling of the challenge. Had I been
voting as my feelings go I would have stripped the Warlady of her peer wins and right to challenge and also the Baron of his ring. If any doubt my ability to be a fair Baron despite my feelings then say so and press challenge ,if you think you would be a better Baron, otherwise beleive me when I say I shall try and be the best Baron I can and be fair in my decisions despite my personal feelings. Thanks,



Zamhulem protector of the meek and weilder of SoulBinder

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From: zamhulem@aol.com (Zamhulem)
Date: 25 Nov 1999 18:27:23 EST

Oh yea and it was not Meth whom I had asked for a second chance for it was Aspen because he had come to me and asked me to teach him how to act properly and I had put to the cork that I would take him in as a student to teach him manners but he was too slow to learn. Ya know one can only teach so much I mean let's see you try to teach Meth proper manners and have him become a distinguished gentleman Jona
::chuckles::



Zamhulem protector of the meek and weilder of SoulBinder

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 25 Nov 1999 20:35:24 EST

Baron Var Medici-Giovanni,

Ah do thank ye fer ta information. Indeed, Baron, Ah meself wast present th' eve 'o ta match. There wast a moment 'o confusion which wast soon ended an' indeed, ta official, KF, didst place a proper missive 'pon ta cork.

Ta Goddess indeed failed ta appear fer ta match though she was later present in ta realms. Tis once ta matter hae been 'anded ta th' Council tis fer ta Council ta request anna an' all pertinent documents ast well ast anna statements they may wish from anna witnesses ta th' matter. Ta official in th' matter, one KF, didst rule ta duel be forfeit an' sent ta matter ta th' Council fer adjudication. Tis once th' Council began deliberation, tis nae
anna official shouldst do ought bu' ta provide anna pertinent infermation. Ta only time th' an official may make a rulin' which supercedes th' 'o ta Council be if'n ta senior Official, at present, Turinal, dost wish ta review ta Council's decision.

Tis appearin' ta challenge itself wast validated ast bein' proper. Tis seemin' ta Baron Mortis indeed didst comply wi' ta letter 'o ta rules 'o engagement in settin' ta time an' place ta meet ta Goddess in combat. Therefore, tis seemin' thee an members 'o ta Council were misinformed by Madame Silvertree ast ta th' Baron Mortis havin' replied within ta prescibed time. Th' burden then falls 'pon ta challenger for in she failed ta appear fer ta
match.

Cletus Gandarfald and Magnus Eques,

Ah do thank thee ast shouldst th' community fer producin' th' pertinent missives.


Madame Elgarette,

Ah trust that be a promise. It wouldst certes be right enjoyable nae ta suffer through yuir usual drivel, whinin', whimperin' an' less than intelligent ravings. Mine stomach oft aches from laughing ast Ah peruse yuir jottin's.

Baron Zamhulem,

T'would seem thee and ta Council were misinformed ast ta th' Baron Mortis havin' indeed complied wi' ta rules 'o engagement. With the information what hae come ta th' fore, tis appearing more an' more th' ta Goddess indeed chose nae ta arrive fer ta challenge match an' hae yet ta present anna compellin' reason ta th' community or ta mine knowledge unta th' Council ta excuse 'er failure.

What need hae Ah to press challenge unta thee, Baron? Thee thineself hae stated that hae ta Baron complied wi' ta rules 'o engagement th' rules shouldst be followed. T'would seem ta Baron didst comply, neh? T'would also appear th' yuir student, ta Goddess, chose nae ta meet ta Baron bu' didst seemin'ly rely on thee an' apparently other misinformed members 'o ta Council ta permit 'er ta git 'er way. Tis seemin' grounds ta strip ta Goddess 'o 'er
bona fides, bu' ast crass an' uncouth a personage ast be ta baron, tis thine comment thee wouldst also hae considered strippin' 'im 'o 'is ring be needin' further explanation from thee shouldst thee wish ta make one.

Indeed, 'twas th' ignorant lout, Aspen thee took under yuir wing. T'was an' extraordinary failure thee hae wi' th' one. Tis seemin' yuir havin' ta same luck wi' ta Goddess, neh? Perchance thee might be a bit more discriminatin' in whom thee take under yuir wing. Tryin' ta teach ta ignorant canst indeed be tryin', neh?

Ast ta yuir comments wi' respect ta Methous, indeed, sir, Ah hae manna skills bu' omnipotence nae be 'mong 'em. Tis tryin' ta teach Methous annathin' atall wouldst require certes all ta lumber one might garner shouldst one wish ta lay waste ta all ta forest 'pon ta planet. Ah for one wouldst nae wast good lumber 'pon a 'opeless case.

Jonalyn Starfare