From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 25 Nov 1999 21:28:19 EST
"Tis seemin' grounds ta strip ta Goddess 'o 'er bona fides, bu' ast crass an' uncouth a personage ast be ta baron, tis thine comment thee wouldst also hae considered strippin' 'im 'o 'is ring be needin' further explanation from thee shouldst thee wish ta make one."
Lady Starfare:
The Baron did state that -if- he followed his personal feelings, this is what he would do; clearly, he placed duty above those feelings in deliberating the matter, which I believe was the precise point he sought to make.
Surely, Jonalyn, you would agree that one might have perfectly legitimate "feelings" regarding certain parties which would lead one to wish to strip them of title, even without evidence of legal wrongdoing?
Now, I do not know Baron Zamhulem, and as such, I naturally question his fitness, as I do the fitness of any Baron or Overlord whom I do not know well. However, I must confess I find his honesty under your questioning to be positive, and commend him for admitting that he does, indeed, -have- feelings about the matter, yet made the attempt to set those feelings aside in order to focus on his duty. This is a far sight better than claiming not to have
feelings about an issue while rationalizing making a decision geared to benefit one's friend; it is also far better than claiming one's personal loyalties take precedence over duty to the Council. While you may disagree with the decision the Baron -made-, credit should at least be given to him for actually -thinking- about the issue, even if his deliberations led him to a decision that might not have been completely proper.
After all, what we demand of the Council is not perfection, but thought.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
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From: tinytopaz@aol.com (TinyTopaz)
Date: 26 Nov 1999 19:24:38 EST
All,
The Baron, as l understand it, tried to screw Angel over and force a forfit. l voted he be punished for trying.
Topaz
Date: 26 Nov 1999 19:24:38 EST
All,
The Baron, as l understand it, tried to screw Angel over and force a forfit. l voted he be punished for trying.
Topaz
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 26 Nov 1999 19:41:12 EST
>
>All,
>
>The Baron, as l understand it, tried to screw Angel over and force a forfit.
>l voted he be punished for trying.
>
>Topaz
Topaz,
Though I agree that Damien attempted to force a forfiet, You cannot make a decision based on Rumor or opinion. In order to punish Damien for trying to force the forfiet, You -Need- to have Proof that he did such.
Without such proof, you cannot make judgement against him.
If you want to punish him, show proof of it so we could judge.
G
Date: 26 Nov 1999 19:41:12 EST
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>All,
>
>The Baron, as l understand it, tried to screw Angel over and force a forfit.
>l voted he be punished for trying.
>
>Topaz
Topaz,
Though I agree that Damien attempted to force a forfiet, You cannot make a decision based on Rumor or opinion. In order to punish Damien for trying to force the forfiet, You -Need- to have Proof that he did such.
Without such proof, you cannot make judgement against him.
If you want to punish him, show proof of it so we could judge.
G
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 26 Nov 1999 20:16:23 EST
The commoner sets quill to parchment, then tacks the note to the cork.
Ian,
The Baron Zamhulem stated quite clearly, "If the letter in answer to the challenge had not been met within the proper time then the rules should be followed otherwise..."
Perchance the Council wast misled ast ta the Baron's having indeed answered said challenge in a timely manner?
I certes hae nae questioned ta Baron's "feelings" in ta matter, Ian. He hast made 'is feelin's known. Yet dinna disregard his pronouncement th' ta Goddess be among 'is 'students' an she mos' certes found it verra amusin', nae e'en perhaps sure th' she wouldst nae be penalized fer 'er non appearance by ta Council. Ast well dinna disregard th' ta Baron's decision ta permit ta match ta be rescheduled certes be a benefit ta 'is proclaimed student.
Ast well, do dinna disregard th' ta Goddess 'erself hae remained conspicuously silent ast ta 'er reasons fer nae appearin' fer ta match.
What I do indeed question be what appears on th' surface ast perhaps ta Council havin' been misled or misinformed durin' their deliberations. The Baron himself found th' matter ast bein' badly 'andled then goes on ta state th' 'e hae nae anna difficulty with votin' ta reschedule ta match. T'would seem ta Baron be contradictin' 'is own statements.
Indeed, Ian, thee hae nae witnessed ta Baron's presence in ta basement nor wouldst Ah gainsay thee in questionin' ta Baron Zamhulem's fitness ast a Baron. T'would seem ta Baron among those 'o th' simplistic mindset wh' 'olds that if'n 'is pronouncements be questioned 'e does demand a challenge. How utterly expected ast well ast 'ow utterly ludicrous. The Baron himself seems ta hae fallen inta believin' ta Goddess' own pronouncements made unta 'im
ast ta 'er behavior, which, I shall note hae been refuted by more th' one personage, indeed, among them, two 'o 'is fellow Barons. Thee mayhap hae also been spared th' comedy 'o witnessin' ta Goddess 'erself an' if'n so, thee shouldst count thineself ast a lucky fellow.
Indeed, Ian, one couldst nae demand perfection 'o th' council, 'owe'er ast well one couldst demand thought.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 26 Nov 1999 20:16:23 EST
The commoner sets quill to parchment, then tacks the note to the cork.
Ian,
The Baron Zamhulem stated quite clearly, "If the letter in answer to the challenge had not been met within the proper time then the rules should be followed otherwise..."
Perchance the Council wast misled ast ta the Baron's having indeed answered said challenge in a timely manner?
I certes hae nae questioned ta Baron's "feelings" in ta matter, Ian. He hast made 'is feelin's known. Yet dinna disregard his pronouncement th' ta Goddess be among 'is 'students' an she mos' certes found it verra amusin', nae e'en perhaps sure th' she wouldst nae be penalized fer 'er non appearance by ta Council. Ast well dinna disregard th' ta Baron's decision ta permit ta match ta be rescheduled certes be a benefit ta 'is proclaimed student.
Ast well, do dinna disregard th' ta Goddess 'erself hae remained conspicuously silent ast ta 'er reasons fer nae appearin' fer ta match.
What I do indeed question be what appears on th' surface ast perhaps ta Council havin' been misled or misinformed durin' their deliberations. The Baron himself found th' matter ast bein' badly 'andled then goes on ta state th' 'e hae nae anna difficulty with votin' ta reschedule ta match. T'would seem ta Baron be contradictin' 'is own statements.
Indeed, Ian, thee hae nae witnessed ta Baron's presence in ta basement nor wouldst Ah gainsay thee in questionin' ta Baron Zamhulem's fitness ast a Baron. T'would seem ta Baron among those 'o th' simplistic mindset wh' 'olds that if'n 'is pronouncements be questioned 'e does demand a challenge. How utterly expected ast well ast 'ow utterly ludicrous. The Baron himself seems ta hae fallen inta believin' ta Goddess' own pronouncements made unta 'im
ast ta 'er behavior, which, I shall note hae been refuted by more th' one personage, indeed, among them, two 'o 'is fellow Barons. Thee mayhap hae also been spared th' comedy 'o witnessin' ta Goddess 'erself an' if'n so, thee shouldst count thineself ast a lucky fellow.
Indeed, Ian, one couldst nae demand perfection 'o th' council, 'owe'er ast well one couldst demand thought.
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 26 Nov 1999 20:29:33 EST
Fellow patrons,
I am of the opinion the decision of the Council is a fair one, due to the sheer amount of rumor and speculation surrounding the situation. Therefore, with so many unsure circumstances, rescheduling the match seems to be the fairest decision possible.
~Sidartha Elgarette
Date: 26 Nov 1999 20:29:33 EST
Fellow patrons,
I am of the opinion the decision of the Council is a fair one, due to the sheer amount of rumor and speculation surrounding the situation. Therefore, with so many unsure circumstances, rescheduling the match seems to be the fairest decision possible.
~Sidartha Elgarette
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 26 Nov 1999 21:33:05 EST
Madame Elgarette,
Tis certain ta Goddess failed ta appear. Tis certain she wast made aware 'o ta time an' place fer ta duel. Tis certain she wast amused when she didst finally deign ta appear. Tis certain she hae nae offered anna excuse fer nae appearin' Tis certain ta Baron didst answer ta challenge in a timely manner.
What be ye uncertain 'o?
Baroness Topaz,
Lass, thee mayest indeed feel that ta Baron attempted ta force a forfeit, yet tis indeed nae anna proof th' be indeed 'is intent. Tis mere speculation, neh?
Thee thineself were placed in a position nae long agon where in thee felt thineself forced ta appear fer yuir challenge, neh? Thee chose ta appear nae matter t'was nae ta yuir convenience ast well ast feelin' thineself at a disadvantage were thee ta put ta question unta ta Council. Th' Baron be an uncouth lout, yet ta Goddess be nae anna better. Tis th' 'onor 'o th' Eighth what one wouldst 'ope wouldst be considered in anna deliberations.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 26 Nov 1999 21:33:05 EST
Madame Elgarette,
Tis certain ta Goddess failed ta appear. Tis certain she wast made aware 'o ta time an' place fer ta duel. Tis certain she wast amused when she didst finally deign ta appear. Tis certain she hae nae offered anna excuse fer nae appearin' Tis certain ta Baron didst answer ta challenge in a timely manner.
What be ye uncertain 'o?
Baroness Topaz,
Lass, thee mayest indeed feel that ta Baron attempted ta force a forfeit, yet tis indeed nae anna proof th' be indeed 'is intent. Tis mere speculation, neh?
Thee thineself were placed in a position nae long agon where in thee felt thineself forced ta appear fer yuir challenge, neh? Thee chose ta appear nae matter t'was nae ta yuir convenience ast well ast feelin' thineself at a disadvantage were thee ta put ta question unta ta Council. Th' Baron be an uncouth lout, yet ta Goddess be nae anna better. Tis th' 'onor 'o th' Eighth what one wouldst 'ope wouldst be considered in anna deliberations.
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 26 Nov 1999 21:55:10 EST
Jonalyn~
The why's and wherefore's are uncertain. The reasonings behind actions are uncertain. It is impossible to prove that Damien did not schedule the match in order to force a forfeit and, as much as I believe he did, there is no way to prove that he *did* either. It was fair of them to vote for a rematch, so that the Council can set a date and there can hopefully be no complaints about why it was set when it was.
~Sidartha Elgarette
Date: 26 Nov 1999 21:55:10 EST
Jonalyn~
The why's and wherefore's are uncertain. The reasonings behind actions are uncertain. It is impossible to prove that Damien did not schedule the match in order to force a forfeit and, as much as I believe he did, there is no way to prove that he *did* either. It was fair of them to vote for a rematch, so that the Council can set a date and there can hopefully be no complaints about why it was set when it was.
~Sidartha Elgarette
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From: tinytopaz@aol.com (TinyTopaz)
Date: 26 Nov 1999 23:46:12 EST
G,
We, the council, all saw the evidence. That you interprete it different does not make one interpretation right and another wrong. No need to clutter the board with something that's been decided up on already. l find it extremely poor taste of you to attack my vote.
Topaz
Date: 26 Nov 1999 23:46:12 EST
G,
We, the council, all saw the evidence. That you interprete it different does not make one interpretation right and another wrong. No need to clutter the board with something that's been decided up on already. l find it extremely poor taste of you to attack my vote.
Topaz
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 27 Nov 1999 00:28:10 EST
>G,
>We, the council, all saw the evidence. That you interprete it different does
>not make one interpretation right and another wrong. No need to clutter the
>board with something that's been decided up on already. l find it extremely
>poor taste of you to attack my vote.
>Topaz
In all the letters I received, in all the discussion over this incident, and in all the voting which was taking place, I saw -No- evidence that Damien was actually trying to force the forfiet.
If you can prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that his entire intention was to force the forfiet, then sure, we could try to action Damien.
However, I doubt you'll find concrete evidence to that effect. Documented or otherwise. The only reason -I- feel he was trying to force the forfiet, is because he's an ignorant clod who is rude and idiotic. But, we, the Barons Council, cannot action him for something there's no proof of.
If you don't understand that, I could try to explain it slower.
G
Date: 27 Nov 1999 00:28:10 EST
>G,
>We, the council, all saw the evidence. That you interprete it different does
>not make one interpretation right and another wrong. No need to clutter the
>board with something that's been decided up on already. l find it extremely
>poor taste of you to attack my vote.
>Topaz
In all the letters I received, in all the discussion over this incident, and in all the voting which was taking place, I saw -No- evidence that Damien was actually trying to force the forfiet.
If you can prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that his entire intention was to force the forfiet, then sure, we could try to action Damien.
However, I doubt you'll find concrete evidence to that effect. Documented or otherwise. The only reason -I- feel he was trying to force the forfiet, is because he's an ignorant clod who is rude and idiotic. But, we, the Barons Council, cannot action him for something there's no proof of.
If you don't understand that, I could try to explain it slower.
G
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From: alyxz@aol.com (Alyxz)
Date: 27 Nov 1999 00:48:36 EST
Alyxz chuckles to himself, reading the board, "Eighty six different notes on the subject and I still can't find it in me to give a rip."
He pens a single line at the end of the latest note:
"Screw em both.
~A"
Date: 27 Nov 1999 00:48:36 EST
Alyxz chuckles to himself, reading the board, "Eighty six different notes on the subject and I still can't find it in me to give a rip."
He pens a single line at the end of the latest note:
"Screw em both.
~A"
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From: tinytopaz@aol.com (TinyTopaz)
Date: 27 Nov 1999 01:05:39 EST
Darling Gee,
There's really no point to this now. l understood when you first said what you felt you absolutely had to say. But l so do enjoy our wee conversations.
Smooches,
Topaz
Date: 27 Nov 1999 01:05:39 EST
Darling Gee,
There's really no point to this now. l understood when you first said what you felt you absolutely had to say. But l so do enjoy our wee conversations.
Smooches,
Topaz
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 27 Nov 1999 01:10:39 EST
>Darling Gee,
>
>There's really no point to this now. l understood when you first said what
>you felt you absolutely had to say. But l so do enjoy our wee conversations.
>
>Smooches,
>Topaz
Topaz,
Agreed, there's no point to this, since the vote has long since been settled. And it pleases me that you understood what I was talking about. I do so hate to repeat myself to those with a lack of common sense. It is good that you are not one of those.
I enjoy the banter, as well.
G
Date: 27 Nov 1999 01:10:39 EST
>Darling Gee,
>
>There's really no point to this now. l understood when you first said what
>you felt you absolutely had to say. But l so do enjoy our wee conversations.
>
>Smooches,
>Topaz
Topaz,
Agreed, there's no point to this, since the vote has long since been settled. And it pleases me that you understood what I was talking about. I do so hate to repeat myself to those with a lack of common sense. It is good that you are not one of those.
I enjoy the banter, as well.
G
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From: humadragbn@aol.com (HumaDragbn)
Date: 27 Nov 1999 10:36:21 EST
Anybody ever heard of getting a room and debating this? It's old, it's done and over with, now shut the hell up.
Huma
Date: 27 Nov 1999 10:36:21 EST
Anybody ever heard of getting a room and debating this? It's old, it's done and over with, now shut the hell up.
Huma
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From: alyxz@aol.com (Alyxz)
Date: 27 Nov 1999 12:53:28 EST
>>Anybody ever heard of getting a room and debating this? It's old, it's done and over with, now shut the hell up.<<
Never fails does it? Get a debate going and sooner or later some moron is going to come along and assume that because they're done, you should be as well.
Hey, Huma, real simple concept here: look away buddy. You really don't have to read.
You don't have to thank me for this liberation. It's just cause I care.
~Alyxz
Date: 27 Nov 1999 12:53:28 EST
>>Anybody ever heard of getting a room and debating this? It's old, it's done and over with, now shut the hell up.<<
Never fails does it? Get a debate going and sooner or later some moron is going to come along and assume that because they're done, you should be as well.
Hey, Huma, real simple concept here: look away buddy. You really don't have to read.
You don't have to thank me for this liberation. It's just cause I care.
~Alyxz
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From: jesandmd@aol.com (JESandMD)
Date: 28 Nov 1999 01:08:35 EST
>Both are too stupid to hold titles.
Dang... Then I can't be a baron?
::tavks the post up and walks away chuckling::
Dustin Manjahcapery
Date: 28 Nov 1999 01:08:35 EST
>Both are too stupid to hold titles.
Dang... Then I can't be a baron?
::tavks the post up and walks away chuckling::
Dustin Manjahcapery