From: damienmortis@aol.com (Damien Mortis)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:51:58 EST
::with a smirk the one-armed man sticks Xeric Mues' letter to the cork with his own color commentary plastered in red crayon::
This is my official notice of PRIVATE prIvit is boreng challenge to the Baron Damien Mortis a coul dood. I believe yar dilusinal that both he and I neva say me in tha sam sentanc as yarsalf would agree, that a public public is not boreng challenge is a problem ya sory asss is the problum not wanted but ya wunt a pece of me. eww.
Xeric suks
((3/11/00))
my hed hurts er id shaw ya al whoo tis panze bet
wut a dolt
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From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:47:25 EST
The Rings and the Crown belong to the Community. The barons and the Overlord are representatives and leaders of the Community. Those who challenge for them are vying to become representative and leaders of the Community, whether they like it or not.
No challenge is private. I thank you Baron, for alerting the Community, in your own "rustic" way.
Cassius Gaius Maximius
Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:47:25 EST
The Rings and the Crown belong to the Community. The barons and the Overlord are representatives and leaders of the Community. Those who challenge for them are vying to become representative and leaders of the Community, whether they like it or not.
No challenge is private. I thank you Baron, for alerting the Community, in your own "rustic" way.
Cassius Gaius Maximius
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From: damienmortis@aol.com (Damien Mortis)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:13:52 EST
1)Xericmues def. Cletus Gandrfald, 5-3 in 11 rounds.
2)Xericmues def. Lily King, 5-4 in 11 rounds.
3)Xericmues def. Zamhulem, 5.5-4 in 8 rounds.
4)Xericmues def. Flavorless Gum, 5-2 in 6 rounds.
5)Xericmues def. QuickVarMG, 5-1 in 8 rounds.
6)Xericmues def. Jeff Oakenshield, 5-4 in 8 rounds
7)Xericmues def. DreyStarke, 5.5-4 in 12 rounds.
8)Xericmues def. GnrtDrgoon, 5-3 in 8 rounds.
9)Xericmues def. PainIsland, 5-2 in 8 rounds.
10)Xericmues def. QuickVarMG, 5-4 in 9 rounds.
now thes are woo ta dood beet
aint he not alowd ta hav the sam gi on 2 tims
Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:13:52 EST
1)Xericmues def. Cletus Gandrfald, 5-3 in 11 rounds.
2)Xericmues def. Lily King, 5-4 in 11 rounds.
3)Xericmues def. Zamhulem, 5.5-4 in 8 rounds.
4)Xericmues def. Flavorless Gum, 5-2 in 6 rounds.
5)Xericmues def. QuickVarMG, 5-1 in 8 rounds.
6)Xericmues def. Jeff Oakenshield, 5-4 in 8 rounds
7)Xericmues def. DreyStarke, 5.5-4 in 12 rounds.
8)Xericmues def. GnrtDrgoon, 5-3 in 8 rounds.
9)Xericmues def. PainIsland, 5-2 in 8 rounds.
10)Xericmues def. QuickVarMG, 5-4 in 9 rounds.
now thes are woo ta dood beet
aint he not alowd ta hav the sam gi on 2 tims
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From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:53:06 EST
No, he is not.
Cassius Gaius Maximius
Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:53:06 EST
No, he is not.
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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 01:48:22 EST
That is correct, he is not... and he has withdrawn his challenge because of it.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
Date: 13 Mar 2000 01:48:22 EST
That is correct, he is not... and he has withdrawn his challenge because of it.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
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From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 02:08:50 EST
So who else thinks Xeric has proven himself to be a complete imbecile, with no right challenging?
Cassius Gaius Maximius
Date: 13 Mar 2000 02:08:50 EST
So who else thinks Xeric has proven himself to be a complete imbecile, with no right challenging?
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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 03:16:49 EST
"So who else thinks Xeric has proven himself to be a complete imbecile, with no right challenging?"
So when someone is allowed to clearly break a rule, then is allowed to retract his challenge without repercussions, he's the one to be called the imbecile?
Sorry, but that doesn't work for me. As long as people are entitled to blatantly disregard rules in the challenge, then it's not just the person who is the problem. I could go renegade to Avery, challenge and lose to him, then issue challenge to him again next week. As long as I "retract" my challenge in time, I can't get in trouble, right?
There should be a more strict policy. Xeric's at fault for not knowing better than to use different peers, but there's also a fault in the rules if they can be disregarded without any trouble. And what if someone makes a mistake, you may ask? Maybe they'll be more careful next time. I certainly learned that when I issued challenge to Daegarth and stupidly forgot to include the standings keeper, who was Golden, I believe. I then dropped in
rank and lost my peers.
They'll only remain "imbeciles" if you allow them to, Cas. As long as people can screw up with something as simple as writing a letter saying "I want to take your ring," without fear of penalty, then we'll continuously have, as you state, imbeciles.
My question is this: Who's the bigger imbecile, the one whom we perceive to be the imbecile, or the ones who breed them?
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
Date: 13 Mar 2000 03:16:49 EST
"So who else thinks Xeric has proven himself to be a complete imbecile, with no right challenging?"
So when someone is allowed to clearly break a rule, then is allowed to retract his challenge without repercussions, he's the one to be called the imbecile?
Sorry, but that doesn't work for me. As long as people are entitled to blatantly disregard rules in the challenge, then it's not just the person who is the problem. I could go renegade to Avery, challenge and lose to him, then issue challenge to him again next week. As long as I "retract" my challenge in time, I can't get in trouble, right?
There should be a more strict policy. Xeric's at fault for not knowing better than to use different peers, but there's also a fault in the rules if they can be disregarded without any trouble. And what if someone makes a mistake, you may ask? Maybe they'll be more careful next time. I certainly learned that when I issued challenge to Daegarth and stupidly forgot to include the standings keeper, who was Golden, I believe. I then dropped in
rank and lost my peers.
They'll only remain "imbeciles" if you allow them to, Cas. As long as people can screw up with something as simple as writing a letter saying "I want to take your ring," without fear of penalty, then we'll continuously have, as you state, imbeciles.
My question is this: Who's the bigger imbecile, the one whom we perceive to be the imbecile, or the ones who breed them?
Var Medici-Giovanni
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From: daedragonsblade@aol.com (Dae Dragonsblade)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 12:03:01 EST
>My question is this: Who's the bigger imbecile, the one whom we perceive to
>be the imbecile, or the ones who breed them?
>
I resent you bringing my parents into this Var. You can expect my challenge immediately..oh wait, nevermind.
Seriously though, this has always been a huge problem that I percieve with the sport: Ambition. Now, enough ambition could be a huge help, granted. But clearly this Warlord was in such a tizzy to challenge ( and I think that he wanted to use Damien as an excuse, but if people remember, he had named a couple of people that he would challenge anyway ) that he:
1) Complained about not having all of his Peer Wins and wins in order.
2) Proceeded to blame Drake about number 1. Then apologized which was appreciated by
myself at least.
3) Once he got his wins, he rushed his challenge and said he wanted it to take place in "private" which I have no idea what that means..If he means what I think he means..then if he wins, Damien doesn't have to give him his ring. ( I ask the Warlord to enlighten us here ).
4) Only to find out that his wins weren't valid to challenge (at least one of them wasn't).
This is where ambition becomes venom. Nowadays we have too many Warlords (especially the new ones) who as soon as they get 10 PWs, they immediately seek out someone they think they can wrest a title from and gun for them. If any Warlords are reading this..I ask one thing of you ( and you can just ignore it or really think about it ). I have no problem with people issuing challenges as it is their right/privelege to do so..but if you do, at least read
over the rules thoroughly. Then ask some more knowledgable for more insight on your challenge. Now the more "experienced" Warlords could disregard this easily..but it's a suggestion that you help any of the others with this. On that note, mayhaps the whole community should instead of pointing out the flaws of an already written challenge and calling the challenger an imbecile..just my thoughts on this.
::scrawled in blazing blue ink::
~Daelin Dragonsblade~
~Regent King of Dragonia~
~Twice Baron of the Seventh and Current Baron of the Eleventh~
~Bearer of the Blue Opal, IceDancer~
Date: 13 Mar 2000 12:03:01 EST
>My question is this: Who's the bigger imbecile, the one whom we perceive to
>be the imbecile, or the ones who breed them?
>
I resent you bringing my parents into this Var. You can expect my challenge immediately..oh wait, nevermind.
Seriously though, this has always been a huge problem that I percieve with the sport: Ambition. Now, enough ambition could be a huge help, granted. But clearly this Warlord was in such a tizzy to challenge ( and I think that he wanted to use Damien as an excuse, but if people remember, he had named a couple of people that he would challenge anyway ) that he:
1) Complained about not having all of his Peer Wins and wins in order.
2) Proceeded to blame Drake about number 1. Then apologized which was appreciated by
myself at least.
3) Once he got his wins, he rushed his challenge and said he wanted it to take place in "private" which I have no idea what that means..If he means what I think he means..then if he wins, Damien doesn't have to give him his ring. ( I ask the Warlord to enlighten us here ).
4) Only to find out that his wins weren't valid to challenge (at least one of them wasn't).
This is where ambition becomes venom. Nowadays we have too many Warlords (especially the new ones) who as soon as they get 10 PWs, they immediately seek out someone they think they can wrest a title from and gun for them. If any Warlords are reading this..I ask one thing of you ( and you can just ignore it or really think about it ). I have no problem with people issuing challenges as it is their right/privelege to do so..but if you do, at least read
over the rules thoroughly. Then ask some more knowledgable for more insight on your challenge. Now the more "experienced" Warlords could disregard this easily..but it's a suggestion that you help any of the others with this. On that note, mayhaps the whole community should instead of pointing out the flaws of an already written challenge and calling the challenger an imbecile..just my thoughts on this.
::scrawled in blazing blue ink::
~Daelin Dragonsblade~
~Regent King of Dragonia~
~Twice Baron of the Seventh and Current Baron of the Eleventh~
~Bearer of the Blue Opal, IceDancer~
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From: carnage669@aol.com (Carnage669)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 13:40:26 EST
What I find most disturbing about all this is that Drakewyn validated these peer wins and it appears she didn't even look at them. After the problem was brought to light, Xeric had time to withdraw the challenge before any penalty was applied to him. Xeric should have lost his right to challenge for the remainder of the cycle since this challenge should
have been invalidated immediatly and Xeric should not have had the extra time to recind.
I still can not fathom how this challenge was validated and allowed to proceed in the first place.
Cletus
Date: 13 Mar 2000 13:40:26 EST
What I find most disturbing about all this is that Drakewyn validated these peer wins and it appears she didn't even look at them. After the problem was brought to light, Xeric had time to withdraw the challenge before any penalty was applied to him. Xeric should have lost his right to challenge for the remainder of the cycle since this challenge should
have been invalidated immediatly and Xeric should not have had the extra time to recind.
I still can not fathom how this challenge was validated and allowed to proceed in the first place.
Cletus
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 15:55:54 EST
Baron Cletus Ganderfald,
I wish to ascertain something, sir. By thine own comments thee hae stated that Madame Silvertree hae validated those bona fides. If that indeed wast the case, then, sir, the challenge wast (1) Improperly improperly issued and therefore void on its face; (2) The warlord Xeric Mues ist indeed subject to the penalties of such a void challenge, i:e: the challenger will have his right to challenge stripped for the remainder of the cycle and (3) Madame
Silvertree's validation of an improperly issued challenge, an act she hast committed more than once, shouldst be again brought to the attention of the Supervisor, Valentine Evermeadow.
This circumstance hast happened much too oft and the penalty applied willy nilly. Despite that Madame Silvertree didst validate the improperly issued challenge, that cannot remove the fact that the challenge itself wast rendered and wast improper on its face.
Again, I call for the resignation of Madame Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree ast Keeper of the Standings, and do call upon Master Valentine Evermeadow to investigate again her malfeasance.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 13 Mar 2000 15:55:54 EST
Baron Cletus Ganderfald,
I wish to ascertain something, sir. By thine own comments thee hae stated that Madame Silvertree hae validated those bona fides. If that indeed wast the case, then, sir, the challenge wast (1) Improperly improperly issued and therefore void on its face; (2) The warlord Xeric Mues ist indeed subject to the penalties of such a void challenge, i:e: the challenger will have his right to challenge stripped for the remainder of the cycle and (3) Madame
Silvertree's validation of an improperly issued challenge, an act she hast committed more than once, shouldst be again brought to the attention of the Supervisor, Valentine Evermeadow.
This circumstance hast happened much too oft and the penalty applied willy nilly. Despite that Madame Silvertree didst validate the improperly issued challenge, that cannot remove the fact that the challenge itself wast rendered and wast improper on its face.
Again, I call for the resignation of Madame Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree ast Keeper of the Standings, and do call upon Master Valentine Evermeadow to investigate again her malfeasance.
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: carnage669@aol.com (Carnage669)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 17:06:46 EST
After speaking with Damien, he handed myself the letter that Drakewyn sent to him after Xeric issued his challenge.
Warlord, Baron, Supervisors.
Having only just placed this Warlord's list of peerwins upon the cork a scant two days ago, there is no reason to re-verify his wins.
This challenge is found to be valid, and I hereby turn the matter over to Baron Mortis for him to arrange the particulars.
Lady Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree
Duel of Swords' Standings Keeper
Date: 13 Mar 2000 17:06:46 EST
After speaking with Damien, he handed myself the letter that Drakewyn sent to him after Xeric issued his challenge.
Warlord, Baron, Supervisors.
Having only just placed this Warlord's list of peerwins upon the cork a scant two days ago, there is no reason to re-verify his wins.
This challenge is found to be valid, and I hereby turn the matter over to Baron Mortis for him to arrange the particulars.
Lady Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree
Duel of Swords' Standings Keeper
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 17:14:51 EST
Normally, the Barons get a letter from Drake, if not from those involved in the challenge, stating that a challenge being Validated.
I saw No validation of a challenge. I saw nothing indicating the challenge was proceeding. The only time Drake said that Xeric had the wins, was when she posted the actual duel results, which she took the blame for and apologized publicly to Xeric for doing.
I saw no official announcement that the challenge was validated, and there's little fault here. Xeric should have looked over the wins himself, but he was going by what he heard Drake say. Drake saw she was mistaken, and apologized to Xeric for this error.
Not that any of this means anything to anyone, as Certain factions will see this as just another reason to forget everything other than the fact that it's an oppurtunity to blast Drake from here to Hades.
Date: 13 Mar 2000 17:14:51 EST
Normally, the Barons get a letter from Drake, if not from those involved in the challenge, stating that a challenge being Validated.
I saw No validation of a challenge. I saw nothing indicating the challenge was proceeding. The only time Drake said that Xeric had the wins, was when she posted the actual duel results, which she took the blame for and apologized publicly to Xeric for doing.
I saw no official announcement that the challenge was validated, and there's little fault here. Xeric should have looked over the wins himself, but he was going by what he heard Drake say. Drake saw she was mistaken, and apologized to Xeric for this error.
Not that any of this means anything to anyone, as Certain factions will see this as just another reason to forget everything other than the fact that it's an oppurtunity to blast Drake from here to Hades.
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 17:18:02 EST
>After speaking with Damien, he handed myself the letter that Drakewyn sent to
>him after Xeric issued his challenge.
>
>Warlord, Baron, Supervisors.
>
> Having only just placed this Warlord's list of peerwins upon the cork a
>scant two days ago, there is no reason to re-verify his wins.
> This challenge is found to be valid, and I hereby turn the matter over
>to Baron Mortis for him to arrange the particulars.
>
>Lady Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree
>Duel of Swords' Standings Keeper
>
If this is true, then disregard my previous post.
(This one wasn't up when I wrote my first one, blah.)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 17:18:02 EST
>After speaking with Damien, he handed myself the letter that Drakewyn sent to
>him after Xeric issued his challenge.
>
>Warlord, Baron, Supervisors.
>
> Having only just placed this Warlord's list of peerwins upon the cork a
>scant two days ago, there is no reason to re-verify his wins.
> This challenge is found to be valid, and I hereby turn the matter over
>to Baron Mortis for him to arrange the particulars.
>
>Lady Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree
>Duel of Swords' Standings Keeper
>
If this is true, then disregard my previous post.
(This one wasn't up when I wrote my first one, blah.)
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 19:50:49 EST
Baron Cletus Ganderfald,
I thank thee ast perhaps shouldst the community for bringing to light this matter.
I reiterate mine call for the resignation of Madame Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree, for again the community ist subjected to her continuing incompetence.
Further, gentles, it wouldst behoove anna warlord what dost wish to throw down the gauntlet to be aware of the rules of engagement.
In the matter of the warlord, Xeric Mues, one who hast proclaimed himself nae only a warlord but a 'proud father', or for that matter anna warlord what wishes to press challenge, must said warlord be spoon fed and minded ast a child to see that his challenge ist issued properly? Gentles, tis anna duelist what hast risen in rank and garnered bona fides with which to issue challenge shouldst be held to account shouldst said warlord nae take the time
in their haste to issue challenge to peruse the rules of engagement. Tis nae ast if these rules hae been hidden or writ in Sanskrit.
Further, for the warlord, Xeric Mues to attempt to offer private challenge for the Sixth Ring dost insult the Baron what holds it ast well ast this ancient sport.
Madame Silvertree,
Perhaps thee shall again attempt to wriggle out of what ist clearly another example of yuir ignorance and incompetence? It wouldst appear that thee in point of fact didst validate an improperly presented challenge. How much longer shall the community be required to tolerate of thine malfeasance, Madame?
The Elder Master Goldendust Evermeadow held thee were in error when thee didst validate the challenge of Elijah Basia Uhr which wast issued prior to the public announcement of the official lists. Now thee hae chosen to validate a challenge which on its face ist flawed. Wherefore now canst thee state after thee hae validated the challenge, e'en though flawed, that it may be withdrawn? Tis nae such a complicated rule nor takes anna interpretation
to understand that tis required that the presented bona fides name ten different names upon the list. Further tis nae annathing complicated in that portion of the rules of engagement, to whit: Challenges, if not properly served, will be voided by the Standings Keeper. In the case of a voided challenge, the challenger will have his or her right to challenge stripped for the remainder of the cycle as a penalty.
I should very much wish to know wherefore thee canst hold that anna challenge may be withdrawn AFTER it hast been validated.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 13 Mar 2000 19:50:49 EST
Baron Cletus Ganderfald,
I thank thee ast perhaps shouldst the community for bringing to light this matter.
I reiterate mine call for the resignation of Madame Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree, for again the community ist subjected to her continuing incompetence.
Further, gentles, it wouldst behoove anna warlord what dost wish to throw down the gauntlet to be aware of the rules of engagement.
In the matter of the warlord, Xeric Mues, one who hast proclaimed himself nae only a warlord but a 'proud father', or for that matter anna warlord what wishes to press challenge, must said warlord be spoon fed and minded ast a child to see that his challenge ist issued properly? Gentles, tis anna duelist what hast risen in rank and garnered bona fides with which to issue challenge shouldst be held to account shouldst said warlord nae take the time
in their haste to issue challenge to peruse the rules of engagement. Tis nae ast if these rules hae been hidden or writ in Sanskrit.
Further, for the warlord, Xeric Mues to attempt to offer private challenge for the Sixth Ring dost insult the Baron what holds it ast well ast this ancient sport.
Madame Silvertree,
Perhaps thee shall again attempt to wriggle out of what ist clearly another example of yuir ignorance and incompetence? It wouldst appear that thee in point of fact didst validate an improperly presented challenge. How much longer shall the community be required to tolerate of thine malfeasance, Madame?
The Elder Master Goldendust Evermeadow held thee were in error when thee didst validate the challenge of Elijah Basia Uhr which wast issued prior to the public announcement of the official lists. Now thee hae chosen to validate a challenge which on its face ist flawed. Wherefore now canst thee state after thee hae validated the challenge, e'en though flawed, that it may be withdrawn? Tis nae such a complicated rule nor takes anna interpretation
to understand that tis required that the presented bona fides name ten different names upon the list. Further tis nae annathing complicated in that portion of the rules of engagement, to whit: Challenges, if not properly served, will be voided by the Standings Keeper. In the case of a voided challenge, the challenger will have his or her right to challenge stripped for the remainder of the cycle as a penalty.
I should very much wish to know wherefore thee canst hold that anna challenge may be withdrawn AFTER it hast been validated.
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: rlupton@aol.com (RLupton)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:31:34 EST
It seems all we ever discuss anymore is Drakewyn's errors.
It's not because we're out to get her, either. It's because she's allowed to commit one after another. Chalk this up to her latest fiasco, but don't expect her to be reprimanded. Or think she's wrong. Or be fired. No, not Drakewyn. After all, she does such a... good job.
~ Lup
Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:31:34 EST
It seems all we ever discuss anymore is Drakewyn's errors.
It's not because we're out to get her, either. It's because she's allowed to commit one after another. Chalk this up to her latest fiasco, but don't expect her to be reprimanded. Or think she's wrong. Or be fired. No, not Drakewyn. After all, she does such a... good job.
~ Lup