From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 01 Jun 2000 15:50:01 EDT
"I still feel you had no right whatsoever to grant Avery an extension unless Avery had specifically asked for an extension, and I acted upon my convictions. Whether I was right or wrong is all opinion-based, just as it is opinion-based as to whether or not you were right in granting Avery the extension."
In your opinion, of course. Opinions can, indeed, be wrong. I find it shameful that you have the gall to claim to speak for what's right and legal, yet when rule and law are counter to your opinion, suddenly they're just opinions.
Personally, I applaud Lord Evermeadow. The Barons are becoming entirely too full of themselves.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
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From: gunthrodw@aol.com (Gunthr ODW)
Date: 01 Jun 2000 19:42:52 EDT
Hell, I was planning on challenging anyway, this is just a fun reason to do it. I am in.
Gunth
Date: 01 Jun 2000 19:42:52 EDT
Hell, I was planning on challenging anyway, this is just a fun reason to do it. I am in.
Gunth
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From: deluthan@aol.com (Deluthan)
Date: 01 Jun 2000 19:52:57 EDT
"These supposed role models of the arena"? This is not a nursery, a school, a foster home, or a kiddy playground. Once again you insult the community, Valentine, first by depriving its prime representatives of dealing with an extremely important matter, as if you have to 'look out' or 'father' us. And now this. Children need role models, Supervisor, not your patrons. And the few patrons that are children should look
closer to home for them.
I am not here to teach, but to experience. To give back to this community just as much as I have taken. To be exposed to new people, creatures, and things I have yet to even fathom. With this ring, I represent an eclectic group. I want a Council with members representing all facets of life, not some tribe with the same speach, dress, and fighting habits propagated by a hierarchy of role models.
Community,
I feel sorry for anyone who plays into this man's hand. I too would like to see more Baronial challenges, more lengthy reigns earned and not given, new faces and ideas given the spotlight. But not like this, not through the encouragement of a man who continuously insults your characters and treats you like unlearned underlings. You'll only be fostering the abuse.
Deluthan Ev'rt
Bearer of the First
Date: 01 Jun 2000 19:52:57 EDT
"These supposed role models of the arena"? This is not a nursery, a school, a foster home, or a kiddy playground. Once again you insult the community, Valentine, first by depriving its prime representatives of dealing with an extremely important matter, as if you have to 'look out' or 'father' us. And now this. Children need role models, Supervisor, not your patrons. And the few patrons that are children should look
closer to home for them.
I am not here to teach, but to experience. To give back to this community just as much as I have taken. To be exposed to new people, creatures, and things I have yet to even fathom. With this ring, I represent an eclectic group. I want a Council with members representing all facets of life, not some tribe with the same speach, dress, and fighting habits propagated by a hierarchy of role models.
Community,
I feel sorry for anyone who plays into this man's hand. I too would like to see more Baronial challenges, more lengthy reigns earned and not given, new faces and ideas given the spotlight. But not like this, not through the encouragement of a man who continuously insults your characters and treats you like unlearned underlings. You'll only be fostering the abuse.
Deluthan Ev'rt
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From: xxlucianxx@aol.com (XxLucianxX)
Date: 01 Jun 2000 19:55:46 EDT
::shakes his head::
Well, it's become apparant that some of the Baron's should perhaps be put in a child care service. And don't worry, I'll put the names at the top of my challenge letter.
-- Lucian
Date: 01 Jun 2000 19:55:46 EDT
::shakes his head::
Well, it's become apparant that some of the Baron's should perhaps be put in a child care service. And don't worry, I'll put the names at the top of my challenge letter.
-- Lucian
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 01 Jun 2000 20:46:10 EDT
Valentine~
Don't you have better things to do than to suggest to the majority of the Community that which, by it's very nature, is *always* attempting to do, besides enjoying themselves? That is, attaining rank and Challenging.
You'd think, being Supervisor of such a large sport, you would have better things to do than to insult those you serve and make lame pushes for that which is already done.
~Sidartha Elgarette
Date: 01 Jun 2000 20:46:10 EDT
Valentine~
Don't you have better things to do than to suggest to the majority of the Community that which, by it's very nature, is *always* attempting to do, besides enjoying themselves? That is, attaining rank and Challenging.
You'd think, being Supervisor of such a large sport, you would have better things to do than to insult those you serve and make lame pushes for that which is already done.
~Sidartha Elgarette
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 01 Jun 2000 21:06:07 EDT
>This is not a nursery, a school, a foster home, or a kiddy playground.
No kidding. Neither are the Baron ranks, in case you failed to notice.
>Once again you insult the community, Valentine, first by depriving its prime
>representatives of dealing with an extremely important matter, as if you have
>to 'look out' or 'father' us.
First, he didn't "Deprive" its prime representatives of -anything-. He made a decision, which I fully believe, was giving the benefit of the doubt to Avery. That is Well within his rights to do so. The "Council" insulted the community by throwing a hissy fit over it, and -demanding- like some terrorists, that they be the ones to make the decision.
>Children need role models, Supervisor, not your patrons
And yet, the patrons are the ones acting like children. Therefore, they need someone to lead by example. It's preferable to have respectable people in that position, not childish terrorists.
>I am not here to teach,
Thank the gods.
>To give back to this community just as much as I have taken.
This could be judged as leading by example. And if that's what you're doing so far. A pity.
>With this ring, I represent an eclectic group.
And a fairly sad one, I might add. Though recent additions are a welcome site.
>I feel sorry for anyone who plays into this man's hand.
Why, because your position is now threatened, being one of the childish terrorists on the Council? You said I disgraced the Ninth Ring once, now I say you're disgracing the ring and title you currently hold.
>You'll only be fostering the abuse.
And you and those like you are only fostering the degradation of this Honorable sport.
Sad council this day. Held by a majority of again, childish terrorists.
*G*
Date: 01 Jun 2000 21:06:07 EDT
>This is not a nursery, a school, a foster home, or a kiddy playground.
No kidding. Neither are the Baron ranks, in case you failed to notice.
>Once again you insult the community, Valentine, first by depriving its prime
>representatives of dealing with an extremely important matter, as if you have
>to 'look out' or 'father' us.
First, he didn't "Deprive" its prime representatives of -anything-. He made a decision, which I fully believe, was giving the benefit of the doubt to Avery. That is Well within his rights to do so. The "Council" insulted the community by throwing a hissy fit over it, and -demanding- like some terrorists, that they be the ones to make the decision.
>Children need role models, Supervisor, not your patrons
And yet, the patrons are the ones acting like children. Therefore, they need someone to lead by example. It's preferable to have respectable people in that position, not childish terrorists.
>I am not here to teach,
Thank the gods.
>To give back to this community just as much as I have taken.
This could be judged as leading by example. And if that's what you're doing so far. A pity.
>With this ring, I represent an eclectic group.
And a fairly sad one, I might add. Though recent additions are a welcome site.
>I feel sorry for anyone who plays into this man's hand.
Why, because your position is now threatened, being one of the childish terrorists on the Council? You said I disgraced the Ninth Ring once, now I say you're disgracing the ring and title you currently hold.
>You'll only be fostering the abuse.
And you and those like you are only fostering the degradation of this Honorable sport.
Sad council this day. Held by a majority of again, childish terrorists.
*G*
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From: gunthrodw@aol.com (Gunthr ODW)
Date: 01 Jun 2000 21:38:14 EDT
The way I see it is that Valentine, as do I and a few others, feels the council is mostly a bunch of foolish babies. Though I do like the newest additions, and a few that stood, it is still not great. He just can't pull all the roots out of the garden himself, and wants some help.
Gunthar O'dwyer
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Date: 01 Jun 2000 21:38:14 EDT
The way I see it is that Valentine, as do I and a few others, feels the council is mostly a bunch of foolish babies. Though I do like the newest additions, and a few that stood, it is still not great. He just can't pull all the roots out of the garden himself, and wants some help.
Gunthar O'dwyer
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From: xbelariusx@aol.com (X Belarius x)
Date: 02 Jun 2000 03:13:49 EDT
::watches all the pathetic political pallywags and rolls his eyes::
I suppose I'll have to come and take care of things then.
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Date: 02 Jun 2000 03:13:49 EDT
::watches all the pathetic political pallywags and rolls his eyes::
I suppose I'll have to come and take care of things then.
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 02 Jun 2000 04:39:57 EDT
Sidie Poo,
Congratulations, yuir proving th' ta term Bimbo when applied ta ye ist mos' appropriate. In th' matter, I mus' say Ah applauded Valentine fer 'is forthrightness in statin' 'is intentions. Tis thee, Sidie Poo wh' be showin' jus' wh' a lamebrained, senile ole Bimbo ye be.
Gunthar, Ah mus' agree th' some 'o those wh' be seated 'pon th' Council seem ta be in need 'o diapers, beginnin' wi' th' petulant ignoramus wh' calls 'imself Starke.
Let us also nae fergit th' th' roman, Cassius, pledged 'is loyalty ta Avery ast didst Daelin an' Galin an' Dustin, an' seemin' none 'o them hae ta courage ta stand by th' pledge, bu' took th' first opportunity ta drive ta proverbial blade deep inta Avery's back. At least Ah shall grant th' ta Baron Var Medici-Giovanni didst align 'imself renegade, fittin' fer 'is stance. Tis seemin' a claim 'o loyalty wast little bu' lip service an' moreover
merely a way fer those wh' made th' claim ta 'ide behind ta Overlord an' when it came down ta standin' by 'im, all showed their true colors.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 02 Jun 2000 04:39:57 EDT
Sidie Poo,
Congratulations, yuir proving th' ta term Bimbo when applied ta ye ist mos' appropriate. In th' matter, I mus' say Ah applauded Valentine fer 'is forthrightness in statin' 'is intentions. Tis thee, Sidie Poo wh' be showin' jus' wh' a lamebrained, senile ole Bimbo ye be.
Gunthar, Ah mus' agree th' some 'o those wh' be seated 'pon th' Council seem ta be in need 'o diapers, beginnin' wi' th' petulant ignoramus wh' calls 'imself Starke.
Let us also nae fergit th' th' roman, Cassius, pledged 'is loyalty ta Avery ast didst Daelin an' Galin an' Dustin, an' seemin' none 'o them hae ta courage ta stand by th' pledge, bu' took th' first opportunity ta drive ta proverbial blade deep inta Avery's back. At least Ah shall grant th' ta Baron Var Medici-Giovanni didst align 'imself renegade, fittin' fer 'is stance. Tis seemin' a claim 'o loyalty wast little bu' lip service an' moreover
merely a way fer those wh' made th' claim ta 'ide behind ta Overlord an' when it came down ta standin' by 'im, all showed their true colors.
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 02 Jun 2000 06:53:48 EDT
"Let us also nae fergit th' th' roman, Cassius, pledged 'is loyalty ta Avery ast didst Daelin an' Galin an' Dustin, an' seemin' none 'o them hae ta courage ta stand by th' pledge, bu' took th' first opportunity ta drive ta proverbial blade deep inta Avery's back."
Hold, Lady Starfare.
More than one of the above spoke with me on the matter regarding their torn feelings. I can assure you that there was a distinct sense of loyalty to the former Overlord present; the votes said Barons cast to strip him of the title were made with the sense that it was the proper thing to do, based on the rules.
That the Council is not strictly bound by the rules, and that a vote to even allow Avery to retain the title and set aside Drey's challenge would be a valid statement of support is an accurate point whch could have been taken into consideration. However, given that the leadership of the Council is in the hands of one who certainly insists that things be done strictly by the rules (albeit his skewed interpretation of same), one cannot fault those
Loyals for failing to remember that they could, indeed, vote for something that runs directly counter to the rules. Similarly, one cannot fault them for voting within the actual spirit of the rules themselves.
Indeed, I do believe the Loyals were on a double-edged sword, for if they had voted to reprieve the Overlord, they most certainly would have been pilloried in public for being "Loyalist Toadies."
Regards,
Ian Rex.
Date: 02 Jun 2000 06:53:48 EDT
"Let us also nae fergit th' th' roman, Cassius, pledged 'is loyalty ta Avery ast didst Daelin an' Galin an' Dustin, an' seemin' none 'o them hae ta courage ta stand by th' pledge, bu' took th' first opportunity ta drive ta proverbial blade deep inta Avery's back."
Hold, Lady Starfare.
More than one of the above spoke with me on the matter regarding their torn feelings. I can assure you that there was a distinct sense of loyalty to the former Overlord present; the votes said Barons cast to strip him of the title were made with the sense that it was the proper thing to do, based on the rules.
That the Council is not strictly bound by the rules, and that a vote to even allow Avery to retain the title and set aside Drey's challenge would be a valid statement of support is an accurate point whch could have been taken into consideration. However, given that the leadership of the Council is in the hands of one who certainly insists that things be done strictly by the rules (albeit his skewed interpretation of same), one cannot fault those
Loyals for failing to remember that they could, indeed, vote for something that runs directly counter to the rules. Similarly, one cannot fault them for voting within the actual spirit of the rules themselves.
Indeed, I do believe the Loyals were on a double-edged sword, for if they had voted to reprieve the Overlord, they most certainly would have been pilloried in public for being "Loyalist Toadies."
Regards,
Ian Rex.
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From: novagreys@aol.com (Nova GreyS)
Date: 02 Jun 2000 09:57:35 EDT
Hey - since Shiv Blade was removed (good call) because he failed to show up, can we hold a Warlords through Commoners council to remove Barons whose brains and consciences failed to show up?
Or at least just the whiners?
Aw, hell ... forget it. It'll be easier to just kill them all.
~NGS
Date: 02 Jun 2000 09:57:35 EDT
Hey - since Shiv Blade was removed (good call) because he failed to show up, can we hold a Warlords through Commoners council to remove Barons whose brains and consciences failed to show up?
Or at least just the whiners?
Aw, hell ... forget it. It'll be easier to just kill them all.
~NGS
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From: oortael5@aol.com (OorTael5)
Date: 02 Jun 2000 10:39:06 EDT
Jona,
So, what is more important, then? To turn our eyes away from the rules and grant Avery yet another extension, or serve the community by following the rules of this Sport? If ye think that stripping such a capable Overlord of his title was an easy thing, then ye have no idea about how hard this decision was to come to.
Ye know what I think? I think that in this situation, Avery would not feel betrayed by our vote. He has been one to encourage the following of rules as Cas, Dae, and myself have done with this vote. I am disappointed that you would jump so quickly to the conclusion that we all betrayed Avery.
-Galin
Date: 02 Jun 2000 10:39:06 EDT
Jona,
So, what is more important, then? To turn our eyes away from the rules and grant Avery yet another extension, or serve the community by following the rules of this Sport? If ye think that stripping such a capable Overlord of his title was an easy thing, then ye have no idea about how hard this decision was to come to.
Ye know what I think? I think that in this situation, Avery would not feel betrayed by our vote. He has been one to encourage the following of rules as Cas, Dae, and myself have done with this vote. I am disappointed that you would jump so quickly to the conclusion that we all betrayed Avery.
-Galin
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From: daedragonsblade@aol.com (Dae Dragonsblade)
Date: 02 Jun 2000 13:59:36 EDT
Jonalyn,
It would be so easy for someone like you to say something like that. You're the one, let's not forget before you try to hide back in the shadows and throw stones, who brought up this whole matter and accused Valentine of being a tyrant and whatnot..now you're supporting him for being "open" about his intentions..hrm, can you explain that to me?
If you actually think I enjoyed stripping Avery of his title, your clearly mistaken..I suggest you read my vote yet again and very carefully. What would you suggest we do in this matter? I would really like to know. For you or anyone else to say that I was backstabbing Avery hurts the most..I pledged Loyalty to Avery and I still do, my feelings echoed in my vote.
If you (or anyone else, whom I'd like to encourage to state their feelings now) thinks I did this for self-benefit or had no remorse about it..or if you think I'm no better off than some of the Barons you are railing about now..tell me so, I'll be happy to give you exactly what you want.
Disgusted,
::scrawled in blazing blue ink::
~Daelin Dragonsblade~
~Regent King of Dragonia~
~Twice Baron of the Seventh and Current Baron of the Eleventh~
~Bearer of the Blue Opal, IceDancer~
Date: 02 Jun 2000 13:59:36 EDT
Jonalyn,
It would be so easy for someone like you to say something like that. You're the one, let's not forget before you try to hide back in the shadows and throw stones, who brought up this whole matter and accused Valentine of being a tyrant and whatnot..now you're supporting him for being "open" about his intentions..hrm, can you explain that to me?
If you actually think I enjoyed stripping Avery of his title, your clearly mistaken..I suggest you read my vote yet again and very carefully. What would you suggest we do in this matter? I would really like to know. For you or anyone else to say that I was backstabbing Avery hurts the most..I pledged Loyalty to Avery and I still do, my feelings echoed in my vote.
If you (or anyone else, whom I'd like to encourage to state their feelings now) thinks I did this for self-benefit or had no remorse about it..or if you think I'm no better off than some of the Barons you are railing about now..tell me so, I'll be happy to give you exactly what you want.
Disgusted,
::scrawled in blazing blue ink::
~Daelin Dragonsblade~
~Regent King of Dragonia~
~Twice Baron of the Seventh and Current Baron of the Eleventh~
~Bearer of the Blue Opal, IceDancer~
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From: jeffoakenshield@aol.com (Jeff Oakenshield)
Date: 02 Jun 2000 16:45:53 EDT
So-called Loyal barons of Avery Shiv Blade's reign,
Some loyalty you all turned out ta have. Perhaps one fergets loyalty means more dan mere friendship. It means you'll do anythin', up ta and including losing yer baroney ta protect da one ta whom ya pledged yer honor.
Some mysterious misfortune is beset upon our Overlord such dat he cannae attend his match. I would have fully expected every single loyalist ta toss himself in front of Drey before allowin' da challenge ta be considered in forfeit. Furthermore, we have seen from past rulings, an Overlord in absence of his challenge can be saved by a loyalist and even moreso by a council who wishes ta save him. Obviously, none of you cared enough ta see Avery
remain as Overlord and none of you can call yerselves loyalists.
Mayhaps now I know why we have a neutral rank, and mayhaps in future times if yer not willin' ta go all out fer da Overlord ya should reconsider pledgin' loyalty. Anyone who was a loyal baron up ta and includin' da night of his challenge match should be ashamed. I have been informed Baron Var switched alignments before he sold out Avery with his vote. While I'm not pleased in da outcome, at least he didn't stab Avery in da back.
Every one of ya louses shoulda challenged Drey, pleaded fer da council ta reconsider stripping Avery, and pushed fer a 10,000 crown donation ta da Rhydin orphanage as well as a public censor.
Forgive me if I don't buy inta yer crock of horse dung when ya say ya regrettin' strippin' Avery of his title.
Some loyalists, I suppose I'll be buyin' a few dictionaries come next Christmas.
~Jeffrey Oakenshield~
Defender of da 6th Barons' Ring.
Date: 02 Jun 2000 16:45:53 EDT
So-called Loyal barons of Avery Shiv Blade's reign,
Some loyalty you all turned out ta have. Perhaps one fergets loyalty means more dan mere friendship. It means you'll do anythin', up ta and including losing yer baroney ta protect da one ta whom ya pledged yer honor.
Some mysterious misfortune is beset upon our Overlord such dat he cannae attend his match. I would have fully expected every single loyalist ta toss himself in front of Drey before allowin' da challenge ta be considered in forfeit. Furthermore, we have seen from past rulings, an Overlord in absence of his challenge can be saved by a loyalist and even moreso by a council who wishes ta save him. Obviously, none of you cared enough ta see Avery
remain as Overlord and none of you can call yerselves loyalists.
Mayhaps now I know why we have a neutral rank, and mayhaps in future times if yer not willin' ta go all out fer da Overlord ya should reconsider pledgin' loyalty. Anyone who was a loyal baron up ta and includin' da night of his challenge match should be ashamed. I have been informed Baron Var switched alignments before he sold out Avery with his vote. While I'm not pleased in da outcome, at least he didn't stab Avery in da back.
Every one of ya louses shoulda challenged Drey, pleaded fer da council ta reconsider stripping Avery, and pushed fer a 10,000 crown donation ta da Rhydin orphanage as well as a public censor.
Forgive me if I don't buy inta yer crock of horse dung when ya say ya regrettin' strippin' Avery of his title.
Some loyalists, I suppose I'll be buyin' a few dictionaries come next Christmas.
~Jeffrey Oakenshield~
Defender of da 6th Barons' Ring.
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 02 Jun 2000 17:10:53 EDT
> Some loyalists, I suppose I'll be buyin' a few dictionaries come next
>Christmas.
loy*al*ist (noun)
: one who is or remains loyal esp. to a political cause, party, government, or sovereign
Debate it however you will, I'm just stirring the pot here. :)
G
Date: 02 Jun 2000 17:10:53 EDT
> Some loyalists, I suppose I'll be buyin' a few dictionaries come next
>Christmas.
loy*al*ist (noun)
: one who is or remains loyal esp. to a political cause, party, government, or sovereign
Debate it however you will, I'm just stirring the pot here. :)
G