From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 27 Jul 2000 19:56:19 EDT
To the DoS Community:
In response to numerous accusations... I declare that though I don't consider it necessary to explain my motives, nor those of my Loyal Baroness to you, I will attempt to shed some light on your dark world. In itself this may prove to be a difficult path as you may have to open your mind as well as your eyes to see what may be plain as the nose on your face.
As Overlady, one of my duties to my Loyal is to guide and protect them. In Warlord Rising's anticipatory glee of wanting to get at me, his use of backhanded tactics of challenging my Loyal Baroness, set my path straight. Since Zen's ultimate goal was to effect a challenge to me... and since my desire was to not allow my Loyal to lose her ring because of that... the intercession was undertaken, even against the wishes of my Loyal. However, once
apprised of my reasons for intercession, my Loyal though still disagreeing with the intercession itself, agreed that my wish to protect her ring while maintaining integrity was reason enough to not shake her loyalty.
The only deceit effected in this entire situation was at that hand of Warlord Rising who challenged for my Loyal Baroness's ring with full intentions of not wanting it. His ultimate goal to get to me using and abusing the ring to do so... is the only deceitful tactic used.
While some in the community may not have agreed with my decision, there are some that would not gainsay my right to make that decision anyway. While others will always debate their right to know what's best in a situation and thus have a need to make their opinions known and enacted. With that said, I see no further need to respond.
~Taylara Locklorn Tyree~
XXX Overlady of the Duel of Swords
Defense of the Second
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 27 Jul 2000 20:52:44 EDT
Andrew, haven't you figured out half of what you write doesn't even make sense?
You might as well quit now and shove your foot in your mouth later.
~ Drey
Date: 27 Jul 2000 20:52:44 EDT
Andrew, haven't you figured out half of what you write doesn't even make sense?
You might as well quit now and shove your foot in your mouth later.
~ Drey
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From: verceterixfavre@aol.com (Verceterix Favre)
Date: 27 Jul 2000 21:44:09 EDT
"The only deceit effected in this entire situation was at that hand of Warlord Rising who challenged for my Loyal Baroness's ring with full intentions of not wanting it. His ultimate goal to get to me using and abusing the ring to do so... is the only deceitful tactic used.<FONT
COLOR="#000000" SIZE=4 PTSIZE=9 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">"
How do you know if Zen wanted the ring or not? Yes, we all know Zen was going to challenge for Overlord, but he was going to do so after removing one of, if not the worst, Baron from the council. It was not a random challenge just to get to you.
And how can you classify his challenging you after winning a ring an abuse of it? Every Baron has every right to use the privileges their title carries. To call this deceitful is like saying anyone who ever won a ring before challenging for Overlord used deceitful tactics as well.
You have proven to be selfish beyond belief with your actions and words. You were not concerned about the challenge to your Loyal, you were concerned that should your Loyal lose, you would have been challenged soon after. One would be able to call that deceitful . . . saying you care about your Loyal when you were only concerned about the threat of losing your own title.
-Rix
Date: 27 Jul 2000 21:44:09 EDT
"The only deceit effected in this entire situation was at that hand of Warlord Rising who challenged for my Loyal Baroness's ring with full intentions of not wanting it. His ultimate goal to get to me using and abusing the ring to do so... is the only deceitful tactic used.<FONT
COLOR="#000000" SIZE=4 PTSIZE=9 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">"
How do you know if Zen wanted the ring or not? Yes, we all know Zen was going to challenge for Overlord, but he was going to do so after removing one of, if not the worst, Baron from the council. It was not a random challenge just to get to you.
And how can you classify his challenging you after winning a ring an abuse of it? Every Baron has every right to use the privileges their title carries. To call this deceitful is like saying anyone who ever won a ring before challenging for Overlord used deceitful tactics as well.
You have proven to be selfish beyond belief with your actions and words. You were not concerned about the challenge to your Loyal, you were concerned that should your Loyal lose, you would have been challenged soon after. One would be able to call that deceitful . . . saying you care about your Loyal when you were only concerned about the threat of losing your own title.
-Rix
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 27 Jul 2000 22:27:40 EDT
"I will attempt to shed some light on your dark world. In itself this may prove to be a difficult path as you may have to open your mind as well as your eyes to see what may be plain as the nose on your face."
Pardon me, oh holy one, but your condescending attitude is disappointing. You are not some sort of Messiah here to "shed light" on our "dark world". You are simply the Supreme Dueler of the sport. A Supreme Dueler that broke the trust of one of her Loyals. She is not one of your children to be lead around by the nose.
Despite what has been said, changing alignment in that situation is not simply bending with the breeze. If someone I've declared loyalty to does not have enough respect for me or confidence in my skill (hypothetically) to respect my wishes, they do not deserve my loyalty. Loyalty, like respect, is earned, not required due to one's position.
I'm terribly sorry, Taylara, but "I'm the Overlady, I can do whatever I want" just doesn't cut it.
~Sidartha Elgarette
Date: 27 Jul 2000 22:27:40 EDT
"I will attempt to shed some light on your dark world. In itself this may prove to be a difficult path as you may have to open your mind as well as your eyes to see what may be plain as the nose on your face."
Pardon me, oh holy one, but your condescending attitude is disappointing. You are not some sort of Messiah here to "shed light" on our "dark world". You are simply the Supreme Dueler of the sport. A Supreme Dueler that broke the trust of one of her Loyals. She is not one of your children to be lead around by the nose.
Despite what has been said, changing alignment in that situation is not simply bending with the breeze. If someone I've declared loyalty to does not have enough respect for me or confidence in my skill (hypothetically) to respect my wishes, they do not deserve my loyalty. Loyalty, like respect, is earned, not required due to one's position.
I'm terribly sorry, Taylara, but "I'm the Overlady, I can do whatever I want" just doesn't cut it.
~Sidartha Elgarette
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From: zenithi@aol.com (Zenith I)
Date: 27 Jul 2000 23:31:50 EDT
I'd made it well known for months I planned to challenge for Overlord when the opportunity came. There is nothing deceitful about that.
I'd made it well known from the moment Ariadne won the ring that I found her unfit to be in a titled position. There is nothing deceitful about that.
One of your goals is to protect your Loyals; however, your Loyal refused your protection in this case, yet you foisted it on her anyway. To give you the benefit of the doubt, I will assume this was because you wished your guiding light shed on her so she might see that the goals of the Overlord matter above all else.
I did nothing backhanded; I attempted to remove both a Baron and an Overlord I found unworthy. I went into the match with my intent made clear many times. I was willing to have to fight not once, but twice to gain my goal.
There is nothing deceitful about that. Perhaps you should cease with the self-righteous slander.
Z
Date: 27 Jul 2000 23:31:50 EDT
I'd made it well known for months I planned to challenge for Overlord when the opportunity came. There is nothing deceitful about that.
I'd made it well known from the moment Ariadne won the ring that I found her unfit to be in a titled position. There is nothing deceitful about that.
One of your goals is to protect your Loyals; however, your Loyal refused your protection in this case, yet you foisted it on her anyway. To give you the benefit of the doubt, I will assume this was because you wished your guiding light shed on her so she might see that the goals of the Overlord matter above all else.
I did nothing backhanded; I attempted to remove both a Baron and an Overlord I found unworthy. I went into the match with my intent made clear many times. I was willing to have to fight not once, but twice to gain my goal.
There is nothing deceitful about that. Perhaps you should cease with the self-righteous slander.
Z
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 27 Jul 2000 23:43:51 EDT
Of all the laughable...
Taylara, Thank you for confirming the reasons why not only yourself, but Ariadne as well, should be removed from holding titles.
Your explanation of Zen using "Deceitful tactics" is no different than the deceitful tactics you used by going against the wishes of your pathetic Loyal baroness. You state she still didn't want you to intercede even though she understood why you were going to. The only reason we have a "Dark World" is because you're in it.
Really. Do you think that Zen only wanted the Ring to get to you? Could he have not simply waited a short time after Ellisa to challenge you? If he wanted to get to you, why would he have challenged Ariadne now instead of waiting till Ellisa was finished with you?
No, If the tactics he was using existed, I would say the only reason he was using them, was to kill two birds with one stone. Removing a pair of incompetants from titles. The only flaw I see in that, is that were he Baron and challenged you, you would become a Baroness again automatically. And therefore able to challenge again.
Do the Arena a favor and retire soon, disappear to somewhere else. Take Ariadne and the rest of the guildite friends with you.
G
Date: 27 Jul 2000 23:43:51 EDT
Of all the laughable...
Taylara, Thank you for confirming the reasons why not only yourself, but Ariadne as well, should be removed from holding titles.
Your explanation of Zen using "Deceitful tactics" is no different than the deceitful tactics you used by going against the wishes of your pathetic Loyal baroness. You state she still didn't want you to intercede even though she understood why you were going to. The only reason we have a "Dark World" is because you're in it.
Really. Do you think that Zen only wanted the Ring to get to you? Could he have not simply waited a short time after Ellisa to challenge you? If he wanted to get to you, why would he have challenged Ariadne now instead of waiting till Ellisa was finished with you?
No, If the tactics he was using existed, I would say the only reason he was using them, was to kill two birds with one stone. Removing a pair of incompetants from titles. The only flaw I see in that, is that were he Baron and challenged you, you would become a Baroness again automatically. And therefore able to challenge again.
Do the Arena a favor and retire soon, disappear to somewhere else. Take Ariadne and the rest of the guildite friends with you.
G
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From: elijahbasiauhr@aol.com (Elijah Basia Uhr)
Date: 28 Jul 2000 01:20:02 EDT
Comrade Daryl Kyle,
Apology accepted. No harm done, I understand. We' can move forward as friends still if you desire.
~Elijah Basia-Uhr~
Warlord of Swords
Humanity is a virus, I just happen to be a feral strand in this very sick world.
Date: 28 Jul 2000 01:20:02 EDT
Comrade Daryl Kyle,
Apology accepted. No harm done, I understand. We' can move forward as friends still if you desire.
~Elijah Basia-Uhr~
Warlord of Swords
Humanity is a virus, I just happen to be a feral strand in this very sick world.
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From: xxlucianxx@aol.com (XxLucianxX)
Date: 28 Jul 2000 06:23:22 EDT
Good efforts Zen, trying to kill two birds with one stone as I see it.
-- Lucian
Date: 28 Jul 2000 06:23:22 EDT
Good efforts Zen, trying to kill two birds with one stone as I see it.
-- Lucian
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From: stefentiralis@aol.com (Stefen Tiralis)
Date: 03 Aug 2000 03:03:00 EDT
::The noted penned and tacked to the top of the stack. The first note from this particular patron ever seen on the esteemed "cork".::
~To the Righteous Community;
Yes there is sarcasm in that heading. To the extreme if you wish to take it that far. I have been around long enough to listen to what I hear, take the truth as the truth and toss the rest out at mindless gossip started to slight others. Which I must say does go around in such abundance these days. Its amazing *anyone* around here has anything *but* a bad reputation. Now on to this whole issue of Taylara interceeding against the *wishes* of her
loyal Baroness. Where to begin. Lets see how about we begin with the challenger.
Zen, as he is named and referred to in all the conversations that I have gotten into about him. Yes I do my homework folks. Lets see. Here we have a man who has held title three times that I have heard of. At least. Some say four times. But I will go with the three and I am sure that all you stout and devoted Zen followers will correct me if I am wrong. Heaven forbid! As I was saying. Here is a man who has held title and abandoned title *three*
times. Going after *another* title. Well hot damn, I would immediately question his worthiness to hold *any* title at this point. And any Overlord that didn't question his worthiness to hold that title should be taken out, strung up and filleted like a good fish. So here we have Taylara, the Overlady, questioning whether or not a man that has walked away from titles held at *least* three times is worthy of holding another one. Hrm is there something
wrong with that picture? No, I think not. I think she did the exact thing anyone with half a brain should have done in her position. And honestly folks, after reading all of this on the cork I have to question whether or not any of you have brains at all.
Now as for the Loyal Baroness's wishes. Hm... She's still loyal, she was cheering during the duel. She didn't even contemplate going Renegade. Does that tell us that maybe just maybe there is more to this between the Overlady and the Baroness that we, the general public do not know? I would think so. Dust off those brain cells and put them to work. Don't just sit there like a lump on a log and go along with a witch hunt because it seems the proper
thing to do. A thing which I might add was started by people of questionable motives in the first place and at least a few of whom are known for their fairweather friendship natures. Now I have to say that I have spoken with Taylara at length. I know what happened and why at this challenge match. But that is between me and her. If any of you actually want to know the truth why don't you put your lil pitchforks down and quit being utter idiots and for
once *ASK*. Sometimes its the utter lack of common sense and any sense of meaning to loyalty and friendship that has me wondering how this place lasted for so long before falling into the pitiful den of vipers it has now. Yes yes I know some of you don't have the courage to actually walk into the arena anymore so you *don't* know me. Well too bad. If I have offended anyone's delicate sensibilities. Good. Get used to it. Don't like it blunt and
straight off the cuff. Don't read what I have to say. Period. A witch hunt is just that, a hunt for something to blame which has no bearing on what really happened and usually started by those too insecure and weak to step forward and actually do the right thing. Like Asking before spouting off at the mouth.
Yours in Sarcasm and Disgust
Stefen Tiralis~
Date: 03 Aug 2000 03:03:00 EDT
::The noted penned and tacked to the top of the stack. The first note from this particular patron ever seen on the esteemed "cork".::
~To the Righteous Community;
Yes there is sarcasm in that heading. To the extreme if you wish to take it that far. I have been around long enough to listen to what I hear, take the truth as the truth and toss the rest out at mindless gossip started to slight others. Which I must say does go around in such abundance these days. Its amazing *anyone* around here has anything *but* a bad reputation. Now on to this whole issue of Taylara interceeding against the *wishes* of her
loyal Baroness. Where to begin. Lets see how about we begin with the challenger.
Zen, as he is named and referred to in all the conversations that I have gotten into about him. Yes I do my homework folks. Lets see. Here we have a man who has held title three times that I have heard of. At least. Some say four times. But I will go with the three and I am sure that all you stout and devoted Zen followers will correct me if I am wrong. Heaven forbid! As I was saying. Here is a man who has held title and abandoned title *three*
times. Going after *another* title. Well hot damn, I would immediately question his worthiness to hold *any* title at this point. And any Overlord that didn't question his worthiness to hold that title should be taken out, strung up and filleted like a good fish. So here we have Taylara, the Overlady, questioning whether or not a man that has walked away from titles held at *least* three times is worthy of holding another one. Hrm is there something
wrong with that picture? No, I think not. I think she did the exact thing anyone with half a brain should have done in her position. And honestly folks, after reading all of this on the cork I have to question whether or not any of you have brains at all.
Now as for the Loyal Baroness's wishes. Hm... She's still loyal, she was cheering during the duel. She didn't even contemplate going Renegade. Does that tell us that maybe just maybe there is more to this between the Overlady and the Baroness that we, the general public do not know? I would think so. Dust off those brain cells and put them to work. Don't just sit there like a lump on a log and go along with a witch hunt because it seems the proper
thing to do. A thing which I might add was started by people of questionable motives in the first place and at least a few of whom are known for their fairweather friendship natures. Now I have to say that I have spoken with Taylara at length. I know what happened and why at this challenge match. But that is between me and her. If any of you actually want to know the truth why don't you put your lil pitchforks down and quit being utter idiots and for
once *ASK*. Sometimes its the utter lack of common sense and any sense of meaning to loyalty and friendship that has me wondering how this place lasted for so long before falling into the pitiful den of vipers it has now. Yes yes I know some of you don't have the courage to actually walk into the arena anymore so you *don't* know me. Well too bad. If I have offended anyone's delicate sensibilities. Good. Get used to it. Don't like it blunt and
straight off the cuff. Don't read what I have to say. Period. A witch hunt is just that, a hunt for something to blame which has no bearing on what really happened and usually started by those too insecure and weak to step forward and actually do the right thing. Like Asking before spouting off at the mouth.
Yours in Sarcasm and Disgust
Stefen Tiralis~
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From: shadowrun@aol.com (Shadowrun)
Date: 03 Aug 2000 04:33:06 EDT
>Now as for the Loyal Baroness's wishes. Hm... She's still loyal, she was
>cheering during the duel. She didn't even contemplate going Renegade. Does
>that tell us that maybe just maybe there is more to this between the Overlady
>and the Baroness that we, the general public do not know? I would think so.
>Dust off those brain cells and put them to work. Don't just sit there like a
>lump on a log and go along with a witch hunt because it seems the proper
>thing to do. A thing which I might add was started by people of questionable
>motives in the first place and at least a few of whom are known for their
>fairweather friendship natures. Now I have to say that I have spoken with
>Taylara at length. I know what happened and why at this challenge match. But
>that is between me and her.
Milord Tiralis,
In one's desperate efforts to mimic a lump on a log (a decidedly Wood Elven term, I am surprised to note) or retain the dusty status of one's brain cells, one might oversee the fact that, among gentlemen and ladies, weight is granted to one's word.
Baroness Ariadne asked the Overlord not to intervene. The Overlord intervened against Ariadne's publicly expressed wishes. You seem to be implying, rather heavy-handedly, that "there is more to this... That we do not know."
One of two things happened the night of that challenge: one possibility is that the Overlord went against the express wishes of her Baron. If that is the case, then the responses ranging from irritation to outrage (whether you find them appropriate or not) are based in upon said disregard and overruling of the Baron's wishes in the Baron's own challenge.
The second possibility, one I had not truly considered until I read your caustic debut missive upon this cork, is that Ariadne said one thing and meant another. More to the point, that Ariadne and Taylara conspired to have Ariadne refuse intercession, knowing full-well that she would be "overruled" by Taylara and interceded for regardless.
If the latter is the case, and "maybe just maybe there is more to this between the Overlady and the Baroness that we, the general public do not know"... I shall not abuse another's honour unless said point is proven demonstratively. Suffice it to say that I should find the latter case dishonest and disheartening, most acutely in light of the Overlord's accusations against Warlord Zen of subterfuge and underhanded tactics.
I am saddened that you felt the need to combine two parts causticity with each part of logic. I can only conclude that this entire matter has you in quite an emotional state.
With regards,
Fandral Kurgan
Date: 03 Aug 2000 04:33:06 EDT
>Now as for the Loyal Baroness's wishes. Hm... She's still loyal, she was
>cheering during the duel. She didn't even contemplate going Renegade. Does
>that tell us that maybe just maybe there is more to this between the Overlady
>and the Baroness that we, the general public do not know? I would think so.
>Dust off those brain cells and put them to work. Don't just sit there like a
>lump on a log and go along with a witch hunt because it seems the proper
>thing to do. A thing which I might add was started by people of questionable
>motives in the first place and at least a few of whom are known for their
>fairweather friendship natures. Now I have to say that I have spoken with
>Taylara at length. I know what happened and why at this challenge match. But
>that is between me and her.
Milord Tiralis,
In one's desperate efforts to mimic a lump on a log (a decidedly Wood Elven term, I am surprised to note) or retain the dusty status of one's brain cells, one might oversee the fact that, among gentlemen and ladies, weight is granted to one's word.
Baroness Ariadne asked the Overlord not to intervene. The Overlord intervened against Ariadne's publicly expressed wishes. You seem to be implying, rather heavy-handedly, that "there is more to this... That we do not know."
One of two things happened the night of that challenge: one possibility is that the Overlord went against the express wishes of her Baron. If that is the case, then the responses ranging from irritation to outrage (whether you find them appropriate or not) are based in upon said disregard and overruling of the Baron's wishes in the Baron's own challenge.
The second possibility, one I had not truly considered until I read your caustic debut missive upon this cork, is that Ariadne said one thing and meant another. More to the point, that Ariadne and Taylara conspired to have Ariadne refuse intercession, knowing full-well that she would be "overruled" by Taylara and interceded for regardless.
If the latter is the case, and "maybe just maybe there is more to this between the Overlady and the Baroness that we, the general public do not know"... I shall not abuse another's honour unless said point is proven demonstratively. Suffice it to say that I should find the latter case dishonest and disheartening, most acutely in light of the Overlord's accusations against Warlord Zen of subterfuge and underhanded tactics.
I am saddened that you felt the need to combine two parts causticity with each part of logic. I can only conclude that this entire matter has you in quite an emotional state.
With regards,
Fandral Kurgan
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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 03 Aug 2000 07:14:51 EDT
M'Lord Kurgan.
While I have a great deal of respect for you, I must ask you this...
Is it not possible that Baroness Angeles initially asked that there not be an intersession, and that Overlady Tyree convinced her otherwise in a private conversation before taking to the ring?
I join Master Tiralis in being disgusted at how everyone automatically assumes the worst... though I find I must include him in that for his views on Zen.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
Date: 03 Aug 2000 07:14:51 EDT
M'Lord Kurgan.
While I have a great deal of respect for you, I must ask you this...
Is it not possible that Baroness Angeles initially asked that there not be an intersession, and that Overlady Tyree convinced her otherwise in a private conversation before taking to the ring?
I join Master Tiralis in being disgusted at how everyone automatically assumes the worst... though I find I must include him in that for his views on Zen.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
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From: shadowrun@aol.com (Shadowrun)
Date: 03 Aug 2000 07:36:24 EDT
>Is it not possible that Baroness Angeles initially asked that there not be an
>intersession, and that Overlady Tyree convinced her otherwise in a private
>conversation before taking to the ring?
Milady Alabaster,
It is indeed quite possible, thus I refuse to speak to any conclusion unless superior information is made available. My words regarding not abusing another's honour lightly are quite heartfelt.
However, I must confess that I've not detected the merest hint of any "convincing" in any of Baroness Ariadne's or Overlord Taylara's statements. If anything, Ariadne's missive seems to confirm that she disagreed with Taylara's decision and was overruled -- not convinced to openly accept intercession, but overruled.
Therefore, while I admit to the possibility of what you suggest, I find it unlikely to be, in fact, just so. Perhaps one of the two duelists most closely familiar with this matter might enlighten us...?
With regards,
Fandral Kurgan
Date: 03 Aug 2000 07:36:24 EDT
>Is it not possible that Baroness Angeles initially asked that there not be an
>intersession, and that Overlady Tyree convinced her otherwise in a private
>conversation before taking to the ring?
Milady Alabaster,
It is indeed quite possible, thus I refuse to speak to any conclusion unless superior information is made available. My words regarding not abusing another's honour lightly are quite heartfelt.
However, I must confess that I've not detected the merest hint of any "convincing" in any of Baroness Ariadne's or Overlord Taylara's statements. If anything, Ariadne's missive seems to confirm that she disagreed with Taylara's decision and was overruled -- not convinced to openly accept intercession, but overruled.
Therefore, while I admit to the possibility of what you suggest, I find it unlikely to be, in fact, just so. Perhaps one of the two duelists most closely familiar with this matter might enlighten us...?
With regards,
Fandral Kurgan
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From: shadowrun@aol.com (Shadowrun)
Date: 03 Aug 2000 07:48:31 EDT
Milady Alabaster,
Pardon my long-windedness. I thought the following quote from our Overlord might help decide the question of whether or not Taylara "convinced" Ariadne to accept intercession:
> Since Zen's ultimate goal was to effect a
> challenge to me... and since my desire was
> to not allow my Loyal to lose her ring
> because of that... the intercession was
> undertaken, even against the wishes of my
> Loyal. However, once apprised of my
> reasons for intercession, my Loyal though
> still disagreeing with the intercession itself,
> agreed that my wish to protect her ring
> while maintaining integrity was reason
> enough to not shake her loyalty.
I believe this addresses your question adequately. According to Taylara, Ariadne continued to oppose the forced intercession, but found the Overlord's reasons noble enough to justify maintaining her Loyal allegiance.
Now then, back to Milord Tiralis' point... I eagerly look forward to his response. Either matters are as Taylara wrote above, in which case the grounds for this debate (forced intercession and its propriety/impropriety) remain firmly based... Or Milord Tiralis has suggested that "something more" went on, in which case his words may be in conflict with the words of the Overlord herself.
I emphasize *may* here, as Stefen has not yet had a chance to respond in greater detail than he offered in his last, ominously vague missive.
With regards,
Fandral Kurgan
Date: 03 Aug 2000 07:48:31 EDT
Milady Alabaster,
Pardon my long-windedness. I thought the following quote from our Overlord might help decide the question of whether or not Taylara "convinced" Ariadne to accept intercession:
> Since Zen's ultimate goal was to effect a
> challenge to me... and since my desire was
> to not allow my Loyal to lose her ring
> because of that... the intercession was
> undertaken, even against the wishes of my
> Loyal. However, once apprised of my
> reasons for intercession, my Loyal though
> still disagreeing with the intercession itself,
> agreed that my wish to protect her ring
> while maintaining integrity was reason
> enough to not shake her loyalty.
I believe this addresses your question adequately. According to Taylara, Ariadne continued to oppose the forced intercession, but found the Overlord's reasons noble enough to justify maintaining her Loyal allegiance.
Now then, back to Milord Tiralis' point... I eagerly look forward to his response. Either matters are as Taylara wrote above, in which case the grounds for this debate (forced intercession and its propriety/impropriety) remain firmly based... Or Milord Tiralis has suggested that "something more" went on, in which case his words may be in conflict with the words of the Overlord herself.
I emphasize *may* here, as Stefen has not yet had a chance to respond in greater detail than he offered in his last, ominously vague missive.
With regards,
Fandral Kurgan
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 03 Aug 2000 12:51:23 EDT
Not to but in, but I was at the challenge. There was no "convincing."
Ariadne refused. Taylara said something like, "Well, I wouldn't want the Baron to come for nothing. Might as well get some exercise."
There was no convincing, there wasn't enough time to convince because she was already in the ring.
~ Derek
Date: 03 Aug 2000 12:51:23 EDT
Not to but in, but I was at the challenge. There was no "convincing."
Ariadne refused. Taylara said something like, "Well, I wouldn't want the Baron to come for nothing. Might as well get some exercise."
There was no convincing, there wasn't enough time to convince because she was already in the ring.
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From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 04 Aug 2000 03:03:22 EDT
Again I state, I did nothing that Baroness Angeles was not privy to. Whether or not Baroness Angeles requested intercession, declined intercession when offered, if I interceded by my own volition, or if she and I agreed on other plans entirely; should not be the main concern surrounding this challenge.
In my opinion, the main concern is that someone issued challenge to a Loyal. Someone that has vacated their title on more then one occasion and whose sole purpose was to again vacate a ring to seek yet another title, that of Overlord. Oh yes, he has stated that he wished to remove a *unfit* loyal in the process, but that was not his goal. His intentions were publicly disclosed and I find any Overlord would be lacking if they did not actively
attempt to thwart those plans. Wouldn't you agree? It would seem by the reactions here that I'm the first Overlord to ever intercede against the wishes of a Loyal. I believe that inaccurate...
And what if Baroness Angeles had requested intercession? It would be her being bashed upon this cork for making such a choice. The insults and degradation the Baroness has received since earning her title is astounding. I was always taught, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything."
Baroness Angeles, Stefen and a few others know my actions held no improprieties, forced or otherwise. I have not dishonored, disrespected or abused Baroness Angeles or the title I presently bear, but the Swords Community consist of a group of free thinking and opinionated people who will believe what they wish no matter what is written upon this cork. I begrudge no one their opinion, it is their right.
~Taylara Locklorn Tyree~
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Date: 04 Aug 2000 03:03:22 EDT
Again I state, I did nothing that Baroness Angeles was not privy to. Whether or not Baroness Angeles requested intercession, declined intercession when offered, if I interceded by my own volition, or if she and I agreed on other plans entirely; should not be the main concern surrounding this challenge.
In my opinion, the main concern is that someone issued challenge to a Loyal. Someone that has vacated their title on more then one occasion and whose sole purpose was to again vacate a ring to seek yet another title, that of Overlord. Oh yes, he has stated that he wished to remove a *unfit* loyal in the process, but that was not his goal. His intentions were publicly disclosed and I find any Overlord would be lacking if they did not actively
attempt to thwart those plans. Wouldn't you agree? It would seem by the reactions here that I'm the first Overlord to ever intercede against the wishes of a Loyal. I believe that inaccurate...
And what if Baroness Angeles had requested intercession? It would be her being bashed upon this cork for making such a choice. The insults and degradation the Baroness has received since earning her title is astounding. I was always taught, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything."
Baroness Angeles, Stefen and a few others know my actions held no improprieties, forced or otherwise. I have not dishonored, disrespected or abused Baroness Angeles or the title I presently bear, but the Swords Community consist of a group of free thinking and opinionated people who will believe what they wish no matter what is written upon this cork. I begrudge no one their opinion, it is their right.
~Taylara Locklorn Tyree~
XXXX Overlady of the Duel of Swords