From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 27 Aug 2000 05:22:08 EDT
To the Community:
A situation has arisen that I feel should be shared with the Community. The Council and Officials have received a letter from Warlord Eques stating that he he has not received official acceptance of his challenge to Baroness Angeles within the allotted time as required by the rules of engagement.
Until such time that an official ruling has been made by an official of the sport in regard to forfeiture the Council cannot take further action.
Thank you,
~Taylara Locklorn Tyree~
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FYI ~ Challenge to the Second
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 27 Aug 2000 05:36:50 EDT
Taylara Locklorn Tyree, Gentles of the Council,
Tis I do thank thee for making this information known unto the community. For one of titled rank to so cavalierly disregard one of the simplest rules of engagement further disgraces the Second Ring.
The Baroness Ariadne Angeles hast shown repeated instances wherein she hast failed to abide by the rules of engagement. Further, tis one must ponder her failure fore in, if mine memory nae fails me, she hast in past dealt less than honorably with the Warlord Magnus Eques.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 27 Aug 2000 05:36:50 EDT
Taylara Locklorn Tyree, Gentles of the Council,
Tis I do thank thee for making this information known unto the community. For one of titled rank to so cavalierly disregard one of the simplest rules of engagement further disgraces the Second Ring.
The Baroness Ariadne Angeles hast shown repeated instances wherein she hast failed to abide by the rules of engagement. Further, tis one must ponder her failure fore in, if mine memory nae fails me, she hast in past dealt less than honorably with the Warlord Magnus Eques.
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 27 Aug 2000 10:56:49 EDT
Thanks Tay for being Magnus' spokesman. You're doing him proud!
~ Derek
Date: 27 Aug 2000 10:56:49 EDT
Thanks Tay for being Magnus' spokesman. You're doing him proud!
~ Derek
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From: sircetran@aol.com (Sir Cetran)
Date: 27 Aug 2000 14:21:51 EDT
You are being compleatly unfair Derek. Tay was not in the wrong by informing us that Ariadne had failed to meet her obligations as a challenged Baron. It fees like you are taking every oppertunity to take a cheap shot, valid or not, at the Overlord dispite what it is or the situations around her.
~^~ Sir Damien Cetran ~^~
Date: 27 Aug 2000 14:21:51 EDT
You are being compleatly unfair Derek. Tay was not in the wrong by informing us that Ariadne had failed to meet her obligations as a challenged Baron. It fees like you are taking every oppertunity to take a cheap shot, valid or not, at the Overlord dispite what it is or the situations around her.
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 27 Aug 2000 19:19:11 EDT
Derek,
How verra appropo fer thee ta display thine rampant ignorance, sirrah. Perhaps thou hast been swallowin' th' liquid distilled from ta sour grapes thou hast been chewin' on since yuir failed attempt wrest ta mantle from Taylara Locklorn Tyree.
How verra amusin', Baron, th' thee make nae anna comment 'pon ta matter at 'and. Perhaps, tis th' such simple concepts be well beyond ta grasp 'o yuir intellect.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 27 Aug 2000 19:19:11 EDT
Derek,
How verra appropo fer thee ta display thine rampant ignorance, sirrah. Perhaps thou hast been swallowin' th' liquid distilled from ta sour grapes thou hast been chewin' on since yuir failed attempt wrest ta mantle from Taylara Locklorn Tyree.
How verra amusin', Baron, th' thee make nae anna comment 'pon ta matter at 'and. Perhaps, tis th' such simple concepts be well beyond ta grasp 'o yuir intellect.
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 27 Aug 2000 19:38:53 EDT
It's not Taylara's challenge, so no, not completely unfair, Damien.
And to Jonalyn. Perhaps your own "common" intellect missed something I wrote? Growing smarter in your old age, or has fine print escaped you totally? Feh, forget it, I won't even bother to explain it to the common.
I still have my ring. Come and get it.
~ Derek
Date: 27 Aug 2000 19:38:53 EDT
It's not Taylara's challenge, so no, not completely unfair, Damien.
And to Jonalyn. Perhaps your own "common" intellect missed something I wrote? Growing smarter in your old age, or has fine print escaped you totally? Feh, forget it, I won't even bother to explain it to the common.
I still have my ring. Come and get it.
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From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 00:10:18 EDT
To the Community:
Upon contact from the Southern Rhydin Messenger Service, it was determined that the Acceptance letter written by Baroness Angeles was delivered late on the evening of August 24th. According to Dudley, the *Duck*, Waddlesworth, messenger extraordinaire, the letter was delivered to Valentine Evermeadow, Turienal Lodrelhai Castle, Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree, Taylara Locklorn Tyree, Unagi Miyamoto, Lucian, Sartan, Captain Ellisa Morgan,
Jeffrey Oakenshield, Galin Taelca, Dustin Manjahcapery, Derek D'erest Sanchez Starke Legend, Deluthan Ev'rt and Ariadne Anegles. When asked if a copy of the letter was delivered to Magnus Eques I was informed that his name did not appear on the delivery order.
After Warlord Eques notified the above parties of his uncertainty to whether or not his challenge had been accepted I received a letter from the Standings Keeper, Drakewyn Silvertree. Her letter implied that Warlord Eques either overlooked or lost the original and she provided Warlord Eques with a copy of said letter for reference purposes. The Warlord Eques has acknowledged receipt of the copy of the letter of acceptance sent by Drakewyn
Silvertree and has indicated he will begin discussions with the Baroness to arrange the details of the challenge.
Thank you,
~Taylara Locklorn Tyree~
XXXX Overlady of the Duel of Swords
Date: 28 Aug 2000 00:10:18 EDT
To the Community:
Upon contact from the Southern Rhydin Messenger Service, it was determined that the Acceptance letter written by Baroness Angeles was delivered late on the evening of August 24th. According to Dudley, the *Duck*, Waddlesworth, messenger extraordinaire, the letter was delivered to Valentine Evermeadow, Turienal Lodrelhai Castle, Drakewyn Anastasia Alabaster Silvertree, Taylara Locklorn Tyree, Unagi Miyamoto, Lucian, Sartan, Captain Ellisa Morgan,
Jeffrey Oakenshield, Galin Taelca, Dustin Manjahcapery, Derek D'erest Sanchez Starke Legend, Deluthan Ev'rt and Ariadne Anegles. When asked if a copy of the letter was delivered to Magnus Eques I was informed that his name did not appear on the delivery order.
After Warlord Eques notified the above parties of his uncertainty to whether or not his challenge had been accepted I received a letter from the Standings Keeper, Drakewyn Silvertree. Her letter implied that Warlord Eques either overlooked or lost the original and she provided Warlord Eques with a copy of said letter for reference purposes. The Warlord Eques has acknowledged receipt of the copy of the letter of acceptance sent by Drakewyn
Silvertree and has indicated he will begin discussions with the Baroness to arrange the details of the challenge.
Thank you,
~Taylara Locklorn Tyree~
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From: verceterixfavre@aol.com (Verceterix Favre)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 00:20:12 EDT
Wait a minute.
If Magnus did not receive a copy directly from Ariadne as the "delivery order" stated, that is not an acceptance of challenge and is a forfeit.
Hopefully someone can clear this up as to if Magnus was orignally sent a copy of the acceptance and did lose it, or if this should be considered a forfeit. A copy from Drake does not count.
-Rix
Date: 28 Aug 2000 00:20:12 EDT
Wait a minute.
If Magnus did not receive a copy directly from Ariadne as the "delivery order" stated, that is not an acceptance of challenge and is a forfeit.
Hopefully someone can clear this up as to if Magnus was orignally sent a copy of the acceptance and did lose it, or if this should be considered a forfeit. A copy from Drake does not count.
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From: elijahbasiauhr@aol.com (Elijah Basia Uhr)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 00:23:11 EDT
Um, excuse me, I know it's but a technicality, but the Overlord just stated that the Baroness responded to everyone addressed by the actual challenger. That the challenger had to receive copy of the response via the Standings Keeper seens a little disrespectful and lacking on part of the Baroness so challenged. I hope that the challenge is being
arranged within two weeks of the 24th of August, and not when the response finally was delivered to Magnus. I really think somehow that the Baroness should be punished in some way for her inability to handle the duties of her title, as in defending it properly and with respect to her challenger.
Date: 28 Aug 2000 00:23:11 EDT
Um, excuse me, I know it's but a technicality, but the Overlord just stated that the Baroness responded to everyone addressed by the actual challenger. That the challenger had to receive copy of the response via the Standings Keeper seens a little disrespectful and lacking on part of the Baroness so challenged. I hope that the challenge is being
arranged within two weeks of the 24th of August, and not when the response finally was delivered to Magnus. I really think somehow that the Baroness should be punished in some way for her inability to handle the duties of her title, as in defending it properly and with respect to her challenger.
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From: sircetran@aol.com (Sir Cetran)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 02:03:47 EDT
Eliajh, perhaps we do not have all the details on the situation and should begin by not making premature opinions on what happened. One party states that Magus did not recieve his letter while another states that it had been sent to him. It would be inexcusable to blow up in the face of a Baron if the facts are not strait, even if it has been deemed by most of the spoken duelists that she
is not popualar.
~^~ Sir Damien Cetran ~^~
Date: 28 Aug 2000 02:03:47 EDT
Eliajh, perhaps we do not have all the details on the situation and should begin by not making premature opinions on what happened. One party states that Magus did not recieve his letter while another states that it had been sent to him. It would be inexcusable to blow up in the face of a Baron if the facts are not strait, even if it has been deemed by most of the spoken duelists that she
is not popualar.
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From: desdartigo@aol.com (Des DArtigo)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 02:26:17 EDT
If Ariadne didn't send the letter to everyone including Magnus...and by this I mean the origional letter...she is in forfiet. My basis for this is when Damien Mortis challeged me for the 6th I sent a letter to him alone and then the rest of the council and everyone else. I was denied the right to gain intersession if I wanted to because of this...and I sent him a letter.
My view is that if she didn't send Magnus a letter by putting her on the "delivery order" she is in forfiet and loses the ring.
Daryl Kyle,
Former Baron of the 6th Baronial Ring of the Duel of Swords
Warlord of the DoS, Glass of the DoF, Apprentice of the DoM
Date: 28 Aug 2000 02:26:17 EDT
If Ariadne didn't send the letter to everyone including Magnus...and by this I mean the origional letter...she is in forfiet. My basis for this is when Damien Mortis challeged me for the 6th I sent a letter to him alone and then the rest of the council and everyone else. I was denied the right to gain intersession if I wanted to because of this...and I sent him a letter.
My view is that if she didn't send Magnus a letter by putting her on the "delivery order" she is in forfiet and loses the ring.
Daryl Kyle,
Former Baron of the 6th Baronial Ring of the Duel of Swords
Warlord of the DoS, Glass of the DoF, Apprentice of the DoM
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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 02:27:04 EDT
I was not aware that the duties of Standings Keeper involved acting as the mail service, by delivering official replies to the challenger.
If this challenge is going to pass because Drake thinks Magnus lost the letter after it's been confirmed that his name wasn't on the delivery order, then this will be one of the more pathetic challenges, if that is possible.
Here is another challenge that turns out to be a joke because it's too difficult for someone to handle the details correctly. I hope the challenge is given to the council so they may address the issue accordingly.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
Date: 28 Aug 2000 02:27:04 EDT
I was not aware that the duties of Standings Keeper involved acting as the mail service, by delivering official replies to the challenger.
If this challenge is going to pass because Drake thinks Magnus lost the letter after it's been confirmed that his name wasn't on the delivery order, then this will be one of the more pathetic challenges, if that is possible.
Here is another challenge that turns out to be a joke because it's too difficult for someone to handle the details correctly. I hope the challenge is given to the council so they may address the issue accordingly.
Var Medici-Giovanni
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 02:27:19 EDT
Gentles,
Indeed, one must ponder the matter. The rules of engagement are quite clear in stating that a challenge must be answered within one week of its being adjudged ast valid, setting a time and place, else tis considered an abdication of title and Ring.
Further, the disrepect the Baroness has displayed in nae apprising the Warlord Eques directly presents grave concerns. Hast the Baroness perhaps some private arrangement with Drakewyn Silvertree? One must wonder ast well if'n the letter of acceptance wast delivered to the Warlord within the proper time limit.
One ist reminded of the less than forthright information which surrounded a previous challenge involving Ariadne Angeles and Magnus Eques, where in, when called upon to do so, Madame Silvertree wast unable to present a valid list of bona fides, and chose to validate that challenge, when it was clear that the initial presentation of bona fides by Araidne Angeles didst nae meet the requirements ast set forth in the rules of engagement.
One must also ponder the previous instance wherein Ariadne Angeles failed to appear for a challenge, then made claim that her challenger hae, without her knowledge or consent, unilaterally altered the time and date wherein they were to engage in combat.
It behooves those of title ast well ast those of the highest rank to at least be aware of and to comply with the requirements set forth when either presenting or accepting challenge.
Perhaps Madame Silvertree wouldst deign to explain the reason it was she and nae the Baroness who didst apprise the Warlord of the acceptance of this challenge? Perhaps also, Madame Silvertree would deign to apprise the community of the date whereupon she didst adjudge this challenge to be valid?
Perhaps the Baroness, Ariadne Angeles wouldst stand forth and explain her actions or lack thereof? Hast she so little respect for the Warlord, Magnus Eques, that she perhaps hast chosen Madame Silvertree ast her lackey to deliver her acceptance?
Indeed, perhaps the Warlord, Magnus Eques, wouldst comment upon the circumstances ast well ast to confirm or refute the apparent implication by Madame Silvertree that he hae lost or overlooked the original missive.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 28 Aug 2000 02:27:19 EDT
Gentles,
Indeed, one must ponder the matter. The rules of engagement are quite clear in stating that a challenge must be answered within one week of its being adjudged ast valid, setting a time and place, else tis considered an abdication of title and Ring.
Further, the disrepect the Baroness has displayed in nae apprising the Warlord Eques directly presents grave concerns. Hast the Baroness perhaps some private arrangement with Drakewyn Silvertree? One must wonder ast well if'n the letter of acceptance wast delivered to the Warlord within the proper time limit.
One ist reminded of the less than forthright information which surrounded a previous challenge involving Ariadne Angeles and Magnus Eques, where in, when called upon to do so, Madame Silvertree wast unable to present a valid list of bona fides, and chose to validate that challenge, when it was clear that the initial presentation of bona fides by Araidne Angeles didst nae meet the requirements ast set forth in the rules of engagement.
One must also ponder the previous instance wherein Ariadne Angeles failed to appear for a challenge, then made claim that her challenger hae, without her knowledge or consent, unilaterally altered the time and date wherein they were to engage in combat.
It behooves those of title ast well ast those of the highest rank to at least be aware of and to comply with the requirements set forth when either presenting or accepting challenge.
Perhaps Madame Silvertree wouldst deign to explain the reason it was she and nae the Baroness who didst apprise the Warlord of the acceptance of this challenge? Perhaps also, Madame Silvertree would deign to apprise the community of the date whereupon she didst adjudge this challenge to be valid?
Perhaps the Baroness, Ariadne Angeles wouldst stand forth and explain her actions or lack thereof? Hast she so little respect for the Warlord, Magnus Eques, that she perhaps hast chosen Madame Silvertree ast her lackey to deliver her acceptance?
Indeed, perhaps the Warlord, Magnus Eques, wouldst comment upon the circumstances ast well ast to confirm or refute the apparent implication by Madame Silvertree that he hae lost or overlooked the original missive.
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 03:11:06 EDT
::Posted to the board is only a section of a duplicate copy of the Rules. There is no handwriting on it, nor are there any other identifying marks. Only one section is highlighted.::
Where not specifically addressed all challenges are first come - first served. With the exception of challenges to Renegade & Neutral Barons (see below), only the first challenge is considered vital and all others are void based on Date/Time stamp of e-mails received by the Standings Keeper and the duelist challenged. This means there are no queues of challenges.
All challenges and answer to challenge must be sent to both the Standings Keeper and Baron or Overlord being challenged for purposes of notification and validation.
A challenge is not considered complete until the results are posted in the Standings. And where not specifically addressed all challenges must be answered within one week of validation (by the Date/Time stamp) and dueled within two weeks of the response. Any challenge not responded to within one week, setting a time and place, shall be considered an abdication. The place picked *must* be one of the Dueling Forum sponsored rooms.
Date: 28 Aug 2000 03:11:06 EDT
::Posted to the board is only a section of a duplicate copy of the Rules. There is no handwriting on it, nor are there any other identifying marks. Only one section is highlighted.::
Where not specifically addressed all challenges are first come - first served. With the exception of challenges to Renegade & Neutral Barons (see below), only the first challenge is considered vital and all others are void based on Date/Time stamp of e-mails received by the Standings Keeper and the duelist challenged. This means there are no queues of challenges.
All challenges and answer to challenge must be sent to both the Standings Keeper and Baron or Overlord being challenged for purposes of notification and validation.
A challenge is not considered complete until the results are posted in the Standings. And where not specifically addressed all challenges must be answered within one week of validation (by the Date/Time stamp) and dueled within two weeks of the response. Any challenge not responded to within one week, setting a time and place, shall be considered an abdication. The place picked *must* be one of the Dueling Forum sponsored rooms.
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From: hostdfcturi@aol.com (HOST DFC Turi)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 03:51:40 EDT
To all and sundry,
For public record, I have ruled and informed the Council that, though the letter of the rules does not state the Challenger must be notified, the spirit of the rules certainly intends as much, and Baroness Ariadne is in forfeit on that matter. However, I have stipulated that should Warlord Magnus wish to continue with the challenge rather than turn the matter over to the Council, I will allow him that choice.
Turienal Lodrelhai Castle
Assistant Supervisor/Historian
Duel of Swords
Date: 28 Aug 2000 03:51:40 EDT
To all and sundry,
For public record, I have ruled and informed the Council that, though the letter of the rules does not state the Challenger must be notified, the spirit of the rules certainly intends as much, and Baroness Ariadne is in forfeit on that matter. However, I have stipulated that should Warlord Magnus wish to continue with the challenge rather than turn the matter over to the Council, I will allow him that choice.
Turienal Lodrelhai Castle
Assistant Supervisor/Historian
Duel of Swords