From: irusofmasaca@aol.com (Irus of Masaca)
Date: 12 Sep 2000 20:35:00 EDT
<< We are telling people of the guild, Galadrim, opening ourselves up to G in order for him to mock us as he has so many other guilds in the past, and make ourselves look pretty foolish. >>
Just curious, G, when was the last time you actually agreed with something? And as for making ourselves look foolish, well, not one person has complained about our presence, other than you. I mean, if we looked foolish, people would be constantly telling us to get off this board....and they are not.
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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 12 Sep 2000 20:40:13 EDT
"I mean, if we looked foolish, people would be constantly telling us to get off this board....and they are not."
Some people merely try to avoid "piling on," as it were.
These lands have suffered under the scourge of guilds before. Rest assured, many would not be saddened were there never a guild seen again.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
Date: 12 Sep 2000 20:40:13 EDT
"I mean, if we looked foolish, people would be constantly telling us to get off this board....and they are not."
Some people merely try to avoid "piling on," as it were.
These lands have suffered under the scourge of guilds before. Rest assured, many would not be saddened were there never a guild seen again.
Regards,
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From: irusofmasaca@aol.com (Irus of Masaca)
Date: 12 Sep 2000 20:56:02 EDT
<< These lands have suffered under the scourge of guilds before. Rest assured, many would not be saddened were there never a guild seen again. >>
In my opinion, the guild we happen to be talking about isn't exactly a scourge. That may be because I'm one of the people running it, that may be because of the fact that I know the reasons behind it. In any case, you can say what you like, but there are people out there who will join, no matter what you say.
Date: 12 Sep 2000 20:56:02 EDT
<< These lands have suffered under the scourge of guilds before. Rest assured, many would not be saddened were there never a guild seen again. >>
In my opinion, the guild we happen to be talking about isn't exactly a scourge. That may be because I'm one of the people running it, that may be because of the fact that I know the reasons behind it. In any case, you can say what you like, but there are people out there who will join, no matter what you say.
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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 12 Sep 2000 21:09:13 EDT
"In my opinion, the guild we happen to be talking about isn't exactly a scourge."
Isn't it?
Already, you fall into the usual pattern. You attempt to defend your existence, rather than merely existing quietly. You attempt to convince the masses that your guild is somehow different, which is something those of us with long memories have heard hundreds of times before.
If you exist for many months without anyone hearing of some backstabbing power struggle within your ranks, or without it becoming known that your leaders have instructed the members who they may or may not consort with, or without inflicting a cliquish and superior mentality upon any common room your members happen to gather in, or without doing any number of the other annoying things which by definition can only be accomplished by a "guild," then
perhaps someone might believe your group is somehow "different."
Unfortunately, I believe you're going to find that in this place, perhaps more than any other you might encounter, people value their independence. The fact that you yourself claim to be "one of the people running it" betrays that there will naturally have to be "followers." Again, you're going to find that in this realm, virtually the only time anyone follows anyone else is in pursuit of a specific goal, and once that goal is attained, footing
returns to a wholly equal level.
I wish you a minimum of frustration in your efforts... but I do not wish you success.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
Date: 12 Sep 2000 21:09:13 EDT
"In my opinion, the guild we happen to be talking about isn't exactly a scourge."
Isn't it?
Already, you fall into the usual pattern. You attempt to defend your existence, rather than merely existing quietly. You attempt to convince the masses that your guild is somehow different, which is something those of us with long memories have heard hundreds of times before.
If you exist for many months without anyone hearing of some backstabbing power struggle within your ranks, or without it becoming known that your leaders have instructed the members who they may or may not consort with, or without inflicting a cliquish and superior mentality upon any common room your members happen to gather in, or without doing any number of the other annoying things which by definition can only be accomplished by a "guild," then
perhaps someone might believe your group is somehow "different."
Unfortunately, I believe you're going to find that in this place, perhaps more than any other you might encounter, people value their independence. The fact that you yourself claim to be "one of the people running it" betrays that there will naturally have to be "followers." Again, you're going to find that in this realm, virtually the only time anyone follows anyone else is in pursuit of a specific goal, and once that goal is attained, footing
returns to a wholly equal level.
I wish you a minimum of frustration in your efforts... but I do not wish you success.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
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From: irusofmasaca@aol.com (Irus of Masaca)
Date: 12 Sep 2000 21:53:28 EDT
<< Already, you fall into the usual pattern. You attempt to defend your existence, rather than merely existing quietly. You attempt to convince the masses that your guild is somehow different, which is something those of us with long memories have heard hundreds of times before.
If you exist for many months without anyone hearing of some backstabbing power struggle within your ranks, or without it becoming known that your leaders have instructed the members who they may or may not consort with, or without inflicting a cliquish and superior mentality upon any common room your members happen to gather in, or without doing any number of the other annoying things which by definition can only be accomplished by a "guild," then
perhaps someone might believe your group is somehow "different." >>
Well, fine. I accept your challenge, and I assure you that you will be at the losing end.
<< Unfortunately, I believe you're going to find that in this place, perhaps more than any other you might encounter, people value their independence. The fact that you yourself claim to be "one of the people running it" betrays that there will naturally have to be "followers." Again, you're going to find that in this realm, virtually the only time anyone follows anyone else is in pursuit of a specific goal, and once that goal is attained, footing
returns to a wholly equal level. >>
That is where you are wrong. There are no "followers". I mean that I am one of the people who are holding the guild together. Which is highly neccesary. Without a top and bottom, we'd fall apart. WE are united in a singleness of purpose, but it lasts forever.
Date: 12 Sep 2000 21:53:28 EDT
<< Already, you fall into the usual pattern. You attempt to defend your existence, rather than merely existing quietly. You attempt to convince the masses that your guild is somehow different, which is something those of us with long memories have heard hundreds of times before.
If you exist for many months without anyone hearing of some backstabbing power struggle within your ranks, or without it becoming known that your leaders have instructed the members who they may or may not consort with, or without inflicting a cliquish and superior mentality upon any common room your members happen to gather in, or without doing any number of the other annoying things which by definition can only be accomplished by a "guild," then
perhaps someone might believe your group is somehow "different." >>
Well, fine. I accept your challenge, and I assure you that you will be at the losing end.
<< Unfortunately, I believe you're going to find that in this place, perhaps more than any other you might encounter, people value their independence. The fact that you yourself claim to be "one of the people running it" betrays that there will naturally have to be "followers." Again, you're going to find that in this realm, virtually the only time anyone follows anyone else is in pursuit of a specific goal, and once that goal is attained, footing
returns to a wholly equal level. >>
That is where you are wrong. There are no "followers". I mean that I am one of the people who are holding the guild together. Which is highly neccesary. Without a top and bottom, we'd fall apart. WE are united in a singleness of purpose, but it lasts forever.
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From: irusofmasaca@aol.com (Irus of Masaca)
Date: 12 Sep 2000 21:54:24 EDT
Forgot to end that post.....
<< I wish you a minimum of frustration in your efforts... but I do not wish you success. >>
Well, you will be disappointed. I believe I will have sucess with plenty of frustration.
Date: 12 Sep 2000 21:54:24 EDT
Forgot to end that post.....
<< I wish you a minimum of frustration in your efforts... but I do not wish you success. >>
Well, you will be disappointed. I believe I will have sucess with plenty of frustration.
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 12 Sep 2000 22:29:47 EDT
>Just curious, G, when was the last time you actually agreed with something?
I agree with many things, actually. I'm just far more vocal over things I disagree with, guilds being at least Second on the list.
>And as for making ourselves look foolish, well, not one person has complained
>about our presence, other than you.
You should say "Not one person has complained about our presence, other than you, Publicly." But then, there's a second person who has done so now, eh?
>I mean, if we looked foolish, people would be constantly telling us to get
>off this board....and they are not.
Not necesserily. And as the saying goes, it's better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You've removed all doubt.
Date: 12 Sep 2000 22:29:47 EDT
>Just curious, G, when was the last time you actually agreed with something?
I agree with many things, actually. I'm just far more vocal over things I disagree with, guilds being at least Second on the list.
>And as for making ourselves look foolish, well, not one person has complained
>about our presence, other than you.
You should say "Not one person has complained about our presence, other than you, Publicly." But then, there's a second person who has done so now, eh?
>I mean, if we looked foolish, people would be constantly telling us to get
>off this board....and they are not.
Not necesserily. And as the saying goes, it's better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You've removed all doubt.
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 12 Sep 2000 22:32:18 EDT
>In my opinion, the guild we happen to be talking about isn't exactly a
>scourge.
Guild. Isn't exactly a scourge. Hmm, wrong. By admitting to being a guild, you're admitting to being a scourge. As they are one and the same.
>That may be because I'm one of the people running it, that may be because of
>the fact that I know the reasons behind it.
I don't know you, nor care to know you. You admit to running a guild and that's enough for me to jump on your case. It's one of the many things I do and take great pleasure in. You're just making it so much easier for me.
>In any case, you can say what you like, but there are people out there who
>will join, no matter what you say.
And believe me, I'll be jumping on their case too. I'm an equal oppurtunity guild basher, and it doesn't bother me who it is. You're in a guild, I mock you. It goes hand in hand.
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Date: 12 Sep 2000 22:32:18 EDT
>In my opinion, the guild we happen to be talking about isn't exactly a
>scourge.
Guild. Isn't exactly a scourge. Hmm, wrong. By admitting to being a guild, you're admitting to being a scourge. As they are one and the same.
>That may be because I'm one of the people running it, that may be because of
>the fact that I know the reasons behind it.
I don't know you, nor care to know you. You admit to running a guild and that's enough for me to jump on your case. It's one of the many things I do and take great pleasure in. You're just making it so much easier for me.
>In any case, you can say what you like, but there are people out there who
>will join, no matter what you say.
And believe me, I'll be jumping on their case too. I'm an equal oppurtunity guild basher, and it doesn't bother me who it is. You're in a guild, I mock you. It goes hand in hand.
Can I have an application? Please?
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 13 Sep 2000 16:30:29 EDT
"Well, fine. I accept your challenge, and I assure you that you will be at the losing end."
You obviously have no idea who you are dealing with in one Ian Ryan MacKenzie.
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Date: 13 Sep 2000 16:30:29 EDT
"Well, fine. I accept your challenge, and I assure you that you will be at the losing end."
You obviously have no idea who you are dealing with in one Ian Ryan MacKenzie.
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 13 Sep 2000 17:23:28 EDT
Gentles,
Tis apparent th' ta one toutin' th' laughable entity 'o a guild hast th' wherewithall ta take crayon ta paper. One mus' accept tqa comedic factor, certes, an' e'er be mindful an' e'en perhaps sympathetic fer ta villages wh' be bereft 'o their wanderin' fools.
Certes, they may find their ability ta recruit like minded individuals wouldst succeed ta a much 'igher degree were they ta wander o'er ta th' Isle or 'bove stairs ta th' Inn, an' certes there be a number 'o taverns extant in ta town wh' wouldst welcome their presence. One may merely presume th' ta members 'o th' conglomeration hae nae ta wit ta realize th'.
Helpfully,
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 13 Sep 2000 17:23:28 EDT
Gentles,
Tis apparent th' ta one toutin' th' laughable entity 'o a guild hast th' wherewithall ta take crayon ta paper. One mus' accept tqa comedic factor, certes, an' e'er be mindful an' e'en perhaps sympathetic fer ta villages wh' be bereft 'o their wanderin' fools.
Certes, they may find their ability ta recruit like minded individuals wouldst succeed ta a much 'igher degree were they ta wander o'er ta th' Isle or 'bove stairs ta th' Inn, an' certes there be a number 'o taverns extant in ta town wh' wouldst welcome their presence. One may merely presume th' ta members 'o th' conglomeration hae nae ta wit ta realize th'.
Helpfully,
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: xerzesm@aol.com (Xerzes M)
Date: 13 Sep 2000 19:52:48 EDT
Go away, Irus. Go home. Don't come back. Take Kerr with you.
Xerzes Maureen
Date: 13 Sep 2000 19:52:48 EDT
Go away, Irus. Go home. Don't come back. Take Kerr with you.
Xerzes Maureen
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From: irusofmasaca@aol.com (Irus of Masaca)
Date: 13 Sep 2000 21:28:22 EDT
G,
<< I agree with many things, actually. I'm just far more vocal over things I disagree with, guilds being at least Second on the list. >>
Well, just curious, again, if guilds are second, what are first?
<< You should say "Not one person has complained about our presence, other than you, Publicly." But then, there's a second person who has done so now, eh? >>
Two things to consider. First, when I wrote that post, Ian was not posting in this thread. Second, I do not care what is whispered behind my back, unless it is a direct threat to myself, my family, or a friend.
<< Not necesserily. And as the saying goes, it's better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You've removed all doubt. >>
Well, I'm no fool, and if I have removed all doubt against the fiction that I am a fool, then the people who have the wrong notion of me in their heads are much worse off.
Jonalyn,
<<Tis apparent th' ta one toutin' th' laughable entity 'o a guild hast th' wherewithall ta take crayon ta paper. One mus' accept tqa comedic factor, certes, an' e'er be mindful an' e'en perhaps sympathetic fer ta villages wh' be bereft 'o their wanderin' fools.
Certes, they may find their ability ta recruit like minded individuals wouldst succeed ta a much 'igher degree were they ta wander o'er ta th' Isle or 'bove stairs ta th' Inn, an' certes there be a number 'o taverns extant in ta town wh' wouldst welcome their presence. One may merely presume th' ta members 'o th' conglomeration hae nae ta wit ta realize th'.>>
I never understood much of your speech, so I have only one answer to a part of that:
We HAVE been looking on both the Isle and Outback. We simply are looking for membership from all three sports, and if that bothers you, well, that's your problem. Leave us alone and you will be better off for it.
Xerzes,
<<Go away, Irus. Go home. Don't come back. Take Kerr with you.>>
I have but one answer to this: No.
G, (again)
<<Guild. Isn't exactly a scourge. Hmm, wrong. By admitting to being a guild, you're admitting to being a scourge. As they are one and the same.>>
Well, G, you have admitted to being highly prejudiced against guilds. You seem to hate any and all guilds. While this may be based on good information, the fact remains that not all guilds are bad. As I have said, you are all the worse with a bad opinion in your head.
<<I don't know you, nor care to know you. You admit to running a guild and that's enough for me to jump on your case. It's one of the many things I do and take great pleasure in. You're just making it so much easier for me.>>
I really don't care to know you either, though I have a good enough opinion of you from your postings. Therefore, I once again suggest that we stop this war on the ancient corkboard. However, I know that that won't get me anywhere.
<<And believe me, I'll be jumping on their case too. I'm an equal oppurtunity guild basher, and it doesn't bother me who it is. You're in a guild, I mock you. It goes hand in hand.>>
Fine. You'll find that many like myself will care little for your opinion.
Sidartha,
<<You obviously have no idea who you are dealing with in one Ian Ryan MacKenzie.>>
Actually, I have a very good one. In fact, that sentence enhanced my idea of who I am dealing with. Thank you.
Date: 13 Sep 2000 21:28:22 EDT
G,
<< I agree with many things, actually. I'm just far more vocal over things I disagree with, guilds being at least Second on the list. >>
Well, just curious, again, if guilds are second, what are first?
<< You should say "Not one person has complained about our presence, other than you, Publicly." But then, there's a second person who has done so now, eh? >>
Two things to consider. First, when I wrote that post, Ian was not posting in this thread. Second, I do not care what is whispered behind my back, unless it is a direct threat to myself, my family, or a friend.
<< Not necesserily. And as the saying goes, it's better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You've removed all doubt. >>
Well, I'm no fool, and if I have removed all doubt against the fiction that I am a fool, then the people who have the wrong notion of me in their heads are much worse off.
Jonalyn,
<<Tis apparent th' ta one toutin' th' laughable entity 'o a guild hast th' wherewithall ta take crayon ta paper. One mus' accept tqa comedic factor, certes, an' e'er be mindful an' e'en perhaps sympathetic fer ta villages wh' be bereft 'o their wanderin' fools.
Certes, they may find their ability ta recruit like minded individuals wouldst succeed ta a much 'igher degree were they ta wander o'er ta th' Isle or 'bove stairs ta th' Inn, an' certes there be a number 'o taverns extant in ta town wh' wouldst welcome their presence. One may merely presume th' ta members 'o th' conglomeration hae nae ta wit ta realize th'.>>
I never understood much of your speech, so I have only one answer to a part of that:
We HAVE been looking on both the Isle and Outback. We simply are looking for membership from all three sports, and if that bothers you, well, that's your problem. Leave us alone and you will be better off for it.
Xerzes,
<<Go away, Irus. Go home. Don't come back. Take Kerr with you.>>
I have but one answer to this: No.
G, (again)
<<Guild. Isn't exactly a scourge. Hmm, wrong. By admitting to being a guild, you're admitting to being a scourge. As they are one and the same.>>
Well, G, you have admitted to being highly prejudiced against guilds. You seem to hate any and all guilds. While this may be based on good information, the fact remains that not all guilds are bad. As I have said, you are all the worse with a bad opinion in your head.
<<I don't know you, nor care to know you. You admit to running a guild and that's enough for me to jump on your case. It's one of the many things I do and take great pleasure in. You're just making it so much easier for me.>>
I really don't care to know you either, though I have a good enough opinion of you from your postings. Therefore, I once again suggest that we stop this war on the ancient corkboard. However, I know that that won't get me anywhere.
<<And believe me, I'll be jumping on their case too. I'm an equal oppurtunity guild basher, and it doesn't bother me who it is. You're in a guild, I mock you. It goes hand in hand.>>
Fine. You'll find that many like myself will care little for your opinion.
Sidartha,
<<You obviously have no idea who you are dealing with in one Ian Ryan MacKenzie.>>
Actually, I have a very good one. In fact, that sentence enhanced my idea of who I am dealing with. Thank you.
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 13 Sep 2000 21:57:16 EDT
"Actually, I have a very good one. In fact, that sentence enhanced my idea of who I am dealing with. Thank you."
A very vague reply, sir. Perhaps you could explain this?
~Sidartha Elgarette
Date: 13 Sep 2000 21:57:16 EDT
"Actually, I have a very good one. In fact, that sentence enhanced my idea of who I am dealing with. Thank you."
A very vague reply, sir. Perhaps you could explain this?
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 13 Sep 2000 22:00:27 EDT
>
>Well, just curious, again, if guilds are second, what are first?
Slavery, and slavery that includes rape. Far more disgusting situations then a guild is, and one I take far more seriously.
>when I wrote that post, Ian was not posting in this thread.
Doesn't matter when you wrote it, what metters is when I read it, and what I saw. I was making a statement based on what I saw when I saw it.
>Well, I'm no fool, and if I have removed all doubt against the fiction that I
>am a fool, then the people who have the wrong notion of me in their heads are
>much worse off.
Incorrect. You say you lead a guild. Then you admit to being a fool.
>Well, G, you have admitted to being highly prejudiced against guilds. You
>seem to hate any and all guilds. While this may be based on good information,
>the fact remains that not all guilds are bad. As I have said, you are all the
>worse with a bad opinion in your head.
Then prove me wrong, which I doubt you can do.
>Fine. You'll find that many like myself will care little for your opinion.
That's because many like yourself are out recruiting in the Red Dragon Inn and the like and don't show up to the arena to realize what they're doing is pretty pathetic.
G
Date: 13 Sep 2000 22:00:27 EDT
>
>Well, just curious, again, if guilds are second, what are first?
Slavery, and slavery that includes rape. Far more disgusting situations then a guild is, and one I take far more seriously.
>when I wrote that post, Ian was not posting in this thread.
Doesn't matter when you wrote it, what metters is when I read it, and what I saw. I was making a statement based on what I saw when I saw it.
>Well, I'm no fool, and if I have removed all doubt against the fiction that I
>am a fool, then the people who have the wrong notion of me in their heads are
>much worse off.
Incorrect. You say you lead a guild. Then you admit to being a fool.
>Well, G, you have admitted to being highly prejudiced against guilds. You
>seem to hate any and all guilds. While this may be based on good information,
>the fact remains that not all guilds are bad. As I have said, you are all the
>worse with a bad opinion in your head.
Then prove me wrong, which I doubt you can do.
>Fine. You'll find that many like myself will care little for your opinion.
That's because many like yourself are out recruiting in the Red Dragon Inn and the like and don't show up to the arena to realize what they're doing is pretty pathetic.
G
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 13 Sep 2000 22:11:32 EDT
The woman reads the most recent comedic comments, loosing a hearty laugh, she just shakes her head. One of the initialed pewter mugs can be heard striking the ancient bell over the bar. She leaves a note tacked to the cork.
The Isle wouldst be yuir best recruiting ground right after thee recruit in the Inn. Yuir certes ta find a plethora of those of intellect equal to yuir own in either locale on anna given eve.
Ast ta leaving thee alone, assuredly th' shall be quite easy ta accomplish. Ast ta mine being better off, Ah do trust yuir nae attemptin' ta imply some action 'pon yuir part if Ah dinna. That wouldst be truly th' mos' laughable part 'o th' comedy act yuir little conglomeration 'o intellectually bereft members be staging.
Amusedly,
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 13 Sep 2000 22:11:32 EDT
The woman reads the most recent comedic comments, loosing a hearty laugh, she just shakes her head. One of the initialed pewter mugs can be heard striking the ancient bell over the bar. She leaves a note tacked to the cork.
The Isle wouldst be yuir best recruiting ground right after thee recruit in the Inn. Yuir certes ta find a plethora of those of intellect equal to yuir own in either locale on anna given eve.
Ast ta leaving thee alone, assuredly th' shall be quite easy ta accomplish. Ast ta mine being better off, Ah do trust yuir nae attemptin' ta imply some action 'pon yuir part if Ah dinna. That wouldst be truly th' mos' laughable part 'o th' comedy act yuir little conglomeration 'o intellectually bereft members be staging.
Amusedly,
Jonalyn Starfare