From: hostdfcreiver@aol.com (HOST DFC Reiver)
Date: 09 Dec 2000 18:03:49 EST
::rips the note off the wall after realizing his lack of grammar and general idiocy and replaces it with one that makes sense:::
::tacks a copy of the letter to the Barons Council upon the cork for the community to see....again:::
Esteemed Barons and Overlord of sport.
It has recently been brought to my attention that the Baron of the 13th, Baron Starke, is no longer among the living.
I am also told, by one of your own, that before the ring of the 13th will be returned to its rightful place I *must* place an issue before you for debate.
Though I am not one to bow to threats of blackmail in normal circumstances, I feel the the importance of this issue demands at least my willingness to compromise.
Baron of the First, Dragonsblade, has issued an ultimatum to the community. In short, he says that he will not return to the community the ring he claims to have removed from Baron Starkes finger -- until the matter of using Spells for returning missing rings is on the table for debate amongst yourselves.
In my opinion, this matter is truly a non-issue since the spells referred to have never been an option for the Commission's plans to retrieve a missing ring.
As to the Barons threat of witholding the ring, I leave it his peers to take him to task.
Though Drakewyn claimed to have set this spell in motion in the past, I have never believed this to be a viable option. Nor have I seen it put to practical use.
We are a group with similar concerns ( those of us in the DoS) , and have similar desires for the 13th ring.
I wish to proceed with a warlords tournament and will not do so until there is a ring to present to a victor. You , the council, have the means for finding and procuring said ring.
If you have a desire to debate the merits of using a spell to get the ring, by all means do so.
I personally would not waste the time of this councils membership on such a lark.
The Commission has never seriously considered using spells for this puprose but far be it for us to decide this issue.
Should you all wish to assist the council in reclaiming the 13th's ring in a more conventional manner, it will be most appreciated. If you decline and the ring is not returned , the commission will have little choice but to fashion a replacement for the tournament.
I would prefer that the council take it upon themselves to settle this matter.
Please note the cycle has ended and we are in the process of organizing said tournament. Your timely consideration will be most helpful
Nycholas DeGrylington
One of the Three
Letter to the Barons Council Take 2
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From: daedragonsblade@aol.com (Dae Dragonsblade)
Date: 10 Dec 2000 15:40:17 EST
::shaking his head at a numerous gathering of nonsensical ideas and words abound on the paper, he slams the letter hard on the cork above both of Nycholas'..the cork issuing forth a slight crack of pain, the Dragonian turning and moving out of the Arena::
As sent to the Baronial Council and the Dueling Commission:
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Council, Especially Nycholas:
I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't lie to everyone, and put forth small insinuations to try to dis-characterize me. I applaud your efforts though. Most do know what type of person I am and they wouldn't believe I would change overnight, I don't either. On with the point though:
Please. Blackmail and threats? If I were to threaten you or blackmail
you..you would know it. I issued you no ultimatum, that would be hard under the circumstances, if there is one thing I don't understand it is why you would lie to the Council..but mayhaps you just wanted everyone to turn on each other, or maybe just me..you've said that before. What I did say was that I would disclose the location of the 13th if this issue went to the Council, no matter how trivial you believe it to be (if it was that trivial, how
come it has started a heated discussion on numerous occassions?) Plus, I think most of what was said was a false statement. You and everyone else saw in Ms. Stone's letter that the recall spell would be enacted, of course I could have misread the same missive multiple times, but I doubt it. Don't try to confuse the issue, if you want me out of the issue or the Community entirely..just say it, I'll gladly leave. The way things seem to be going now it
would probably be a good idea, I've volunteered to help, but you want to make me out the bad guy. Screw that. I don't have the said means to blackmail you..that being the 13th, that's right you heard correctly:
I DO NOT HAVE THE 13th BARONIAL RING
I took it from Drey's finger and gave it to the young lady he was seeing
at the time, not out of disrespect for the title (that had already been done by the course of the match over both rings), or to gain an upper hand in this callous
debate. I did it for a personal reason, if that is unbelievable you can ask the person who holds it my exact words to them. Besides, it shows how much the power here is worth...Drey and Rix did something with or without your consent, you can't change that. The young lady who has the ring's name is Mahayla. ((Mahayla Noelle)). I've sent this letter to her place of residence, whether or not she wishes to give the ring back to you is her decision
entirely. With the ridiculous word-playing and accusations based on falsities around here..I hope the First will soon join the Thirteenth in the Tournament. I've done my part, I've told you where the ring is. Beyond that, it's on you. I wish you and your Three the best of luck.
Disgustedly,
~Daelin Dragonsblade
Date: 10 Dec 2000 15:40:17 EST
::shaking his head at a numerous gathering of nonsensical ideas and words abound on the paper, he slams the letter hard on the cork above both of Nycholas'..the cork issuing forth a slight crack of pain, the Dragonian turning and moving out of the Arena::
As sent to the Baronial Council and the Dueling Commission:
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Council, Especially Nycholas:
I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't lie to everyone, and put forth small insinuations to try to dis-characterize me. I applaud your efforts though. Most do know what type of person I am and they wouldn't believe I would change overnight, I don't either. On with the point though:
Please. Blackmail and threats? If I were to threaten you or blackmail
you..you would know it. I issued you no ultimatum, that would be hard under the circumstances, if there is one thing I don't understand it is why you would lie to the Council..but mayhaps you just wanted everyone to turn on each other, or maybe just me..you've said that before. What I did say was that I would disclose the location of the 13th if this issue went to the Council, no matter how trivial you believe it to be (if it was that trivial, how
come it has started a heated discussion on numerous occassions?) Plus, I think most of what was said was a false statement. You and everyone else saw in Ms. Stone's letter that the recall spell would be enacted, of course I could have misread the same missive multiple times, but I doubt it. Don't try to confuse the issue, if you want me out of the issue or the Community entirely..just say it, I'll gladly leave. The way things seem to be going now it
would probably be a good idea, I've volunteered to help, but you want to make me out the bad guy. Screw that. I don't have the said means to blackmail you..that being the 13th, that's right you heard correctly:
I DO NOT HAVE THE 13th BARONIAL RING
I took it from Drey's finger and gave it to the young lady he was seeing
at the time, not out of disrespect for the title (that had already been done by the course of the match over both rings), or to gain an upper hand in this callous
debate. I did it for a personal reason, if that is unbelievable you can ask the person who holds it my exact words to them. Besides, it shows how much the power here is worth...Drey and Rix did something with or without your consent, you can't change that. The young lady who has the ring's name is Mahayla. ((Mahayla Noelle)). I've sent this letter to her place of residence, whether or not she wishes to give the ring back to you is her decision
entirely. With the ridiculous word-playing and accusations based on falsities around here..I hope the First will soon join the Thirteenth in the Tournament. I've done my part, I've told you where the ring is. Beyond that, it's on you. I wish you and your Three the best of luck.
Disgustedly,
~Daelin Dragonsblade
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From: jessetroyn@aol.com (JesseTroyn)
Date: 10 Dec 2000 19:57:19 EST
<< I issued you no ultimatum...What I did say was that I would disclose the location of the 13th if this issue went to the Council, >>
The above two quotes from Daelin's letter (elipses denoting the separation of the two comments) proves that the man has no sense of logic whatsoever.
Saying that you would disclose the location of property that 1) does not belong to you, and 2) was put in its current location by your hands, despite the fact that you had no right to dispose of said property, if and only if the officials agreed to a demand of yours (i.e. discuss said issue of retrieving spells) is an ultimatum and is blackmail, whether or not your like it, Daelin.
Whether or not your actions were justified given the circumstances is a completely different issue. I think anybody with a semblance of intelligence left in this place will see that they were not, and that you are acting irrationally, immaturely, and obnoxiously, for no apparent reason, towards the sport and the only three officials left to govern it.
Is the ability to return the ring still within your power? No. However, as your words proved, you resorted to blackmail with information you had.
<< I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't lie to everyone, and put forth small insinuations to try to dis-characterize me... if there is one thing I don't understand it is why you would lie to the Council..but mayhaps you just wanted everyone to turn on each other, or maybe just me..you've said that before.
Well, if that isn't an example of the pot calling the kettle black. You accuse Nych of attempting to "put forth small insinuations" and "discredit" (change of words mine, since the word you chose is not even a word at all), yet you resort to the same pathetic tactics that you claim Nych resorted to. How do you explain your apparently hypocritical actions in this instance?
<< Don't try to confuse the issue, if you want me out of the issue or the Community entirely..just say it, I'll gladly leave. >>
The above quote is irrelevant, pathetic, and an obvious attempt to turn the issue into one of public support when it should have nothing to do with that. Nowhere did Nych even vaguely insinuate that he or any of the other officials have any desire to get you "out of the issue or the Community entirely." Please don't put words in other people's mouths, and if you choose to, do so more cautiously so it's not so obvious that you're being an irrational
twit.
As for the rest of your letter, it's nice to see that despite your horrendously chosen words and incredibly inappropriate actions with regard to the ring in recent weeks that you've given the information available to you over to the officials and informed the current holder of the ring of the situation.
With any luck the selfish "personal reasons" that led you to hand over this property of the Duel of Swords to somebody that had no right to possess it will not cost the rest of the community the opportunity to win it in an upcoming tournament.
In closing, your arguments are poor, we all see right through them, and get a life. God, it's fun beig smarter and tougher than you.
-JT
Date: 10 Dec 2000 19:57:19 EST
<< I issued you no ultimatum...What I did say was that I would disclose the location of the 13th if this issue went to the Council, >>
The above two quotes from Daelin's letter (elipses denoting the separation of the two comments) proves that the man has no sense of logic whatsoever.
Saying that you would disclose the location of property that 1) does not belong to you, and 2) was put in its current location by your hands, despite the fact that you had no right to dispose of said property, if and only if the officials agreed to a demand of yours (i.e. discuss said issue of retrieving spells) is an ultimatum and is blackmail, whether or not your like it, Daelin.
Whether or not your actions were justified given the circumstances is a completely different issue. I think anybody with a semblance of intelligence left in this place will see that they were not, and that you are acting irrationally, immaturely, and obnoxiously, for no apparent reason, towards the sport and the only three officials left to govern it.
Is the ability to return the ring still within your power? No. However, as your words proved, you resorted to blackmail with information you had.
<< I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't lie to everyone, and put forth small insinuations to try to dis-characterize me... if there is one thing I don't understand it is why you would lie to the Council..but mayhaps you just wanted everyone to turn on each other, or maybe just me..you've said that before.
Well, if that isn't an example of the pot calling the kettle black. You accuse Nych of attempting to "put forth small insinuations" and "discredit" (change of words mine, since the word you chose is not even a word at all), yet you resort to the same pathetic tactics that you claim Nych resorted to. How do you explain your apparently hypocritical actions in this instance?
<< Don't try to confuse the issue, if you want me out of the issue or the Community entirely..just say it, I'll gladly leave. >>
The above quote is irrelevant, pathetic, and an obvious attempt to turn the issue into one of public support when it should have nothing to do with that. Nowhere did Nych even vaguely insinuate that he or any of the other officials have any desire to get you "out of the issue or the Community entirely." Please don't put words in other people's mouths, and if you choose to, do so more cautiously so it's not so obvious that you're being an irrational
twit.
As for the rest of your letter, it's nice to see that despite your horrendously chosen words and incredibly inappropriate actions with regard to the ring in recent weeks that you've given the information available to you over to the officials and informed the current holder of the ring of the situation.
With any luck the selfish "personal reasons" that led you to hand over this property of the Duel of Swords to somebody that had no right to possess it will not cost the rest of the community the opportunity to win it in an upcoming tournament.
In closing, your arguments are poor, we all see right through them, and get a life. God, it's fun beig smarter and tougher than you.
-JT
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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 10 Dec 2000 20:16:40 EST
Jesse?
Jesse Troyan? You're debating?
I honestly thought it was something you didn't like and considered yourself above. Yet you prove me wrong. Heh, I love it.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
Date: 10 Dec 2000 20:16:40 EST
Jesse?
Jesse Troyan? You're debating?
I honestly thought it was something you didn't like and considered yourself above. Yet you prove me wrong. Heh, I love it.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Proud Father, Proud Husband
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From: hostdfckitsune@aol.com (HOST DFC Kitsune)
Date: 10 Dec 2000 21:57:54 EST
Baron Dragonsblade and others.
You have made false statements reguarding my words and intentions. Further, you have obviously gained a complete misunderstanding of my reasons for being here and my position in the Duel of Swords.
I did not say that your ring, the Fifth ring or the Thirteenth ring would be recovered by the officials of the Duel of Swords by the recall spell that has been on them since the day they were made. I only reminded certain people that the option existed and urged the Triumverate in charge to use this option should persons who are not the rightful holders of said rings refuse to return them.
Further, by reading Master DeGrylington's earlier letter, it was obvious that he was not implying someone should remove you from your seat, but the nameless Baron of the Fifth.
In closing, I am not a member of the Triumverate, nor do I hold any other such position in the Duel of Swords. I act as a volunteer, giving of my time when time permits. I can not, and would not, take any actions that effect the Barons, the Rings or the duelists not requested by the Triumverate.
The paranoia rampant in certain members of this community is obvious. When more level heads speak, the truth becomes clear.
Ms. Virginia Stone
The Kitsune Foundation, making the world a better place through technology.
Date: 10 Dec 2000 21:57:54 EST
Baron Dragonsblade and others.
You have made false statements reguarding my words and intentions. Further, you have obviously gained a complete misunderstanding of my reasons for being here and my position in the Duel of Swords.
I did not say that your ring, the Fifth ring or the Thirteenth ring would be recovered by the officials of the Duel of Swords by the recall spell that has been on them since the day they were made. I only reminded certain people that the option existed and urged the Triumverate in charge to use this option should persons who are not the rightful holders of said rings refuse to return them.
Further, by reading Master DeGrylington's earlier letter, it was obvious that he was not implying someone should remove you from your seat, but the nameless Baron of the Fifth.
In closing, I am not a member of the Triumverate, nor do I hold any other such position in the Duel of Swords. I act as a volunteer, giving of my time when time permits. I can not, and would not, take any actions that effect the Barons, the Rings or the duelists not requested by the Triumverate.
The paranoia rampant in certain members of this community is obvious. When more level heads speak, the truth becomes clear.
Ms. Virginia Stone
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 11 Dec 2000 14:24:11 EST
Mistress Stone,
Tis quite clear that neither thee nor the Triad truly understand the magics inherant within the Rings. None save the Rings themselves control their Destiny.
Jonalyn Nenshen Starfare
Date: 11 Dec 2000 14:24:11 EST
Mistress Stone,
Tis quite clear that neither thee nor the Triad truly understand the magics inherant within the Rings. None save the Rings themselves control their Destiny.
Jonalyn Nenshen Starfare
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From: caiuscassius@aol.com (Caius Cassius)
Date: 14 Dec 2000 19:21:57 EST
::pens with a wry grin::
Well, I remember the *last* "Triumverate" *my* family was involved with. . .
I'll be honest. I'm not really sure as to what exactly is going on. I get tired of reading conjecture and hearsey, just as I get tired of reading upset little diatribes about personal rights and anarchy.
All I think, and its merely a suggestion, that the Council, along with the three remaining officials, should meet and discuss all that is at hand. Quickly.
Yours
Leo Caius Cassius Pride
Date: 14 Dec 2000 19:21:57 EST
::pens with a wry grin::
Well, I remember the *last* "Triumverate" *my* family was involved with. . .
I'll be honest. I'm not really sure as to what exactly is going on. I get tired of reading conjecture and hearsey, just as I get tired of reading upset little diatribes about personal rights and anarchy.
All I think, and its merely a suggestion, that the Council, along with the three remaining officials, should meet and discuss all that is at hand. Quickly.
Yours
Leo Caius Cassius Pride