Date: 12/20/97 6:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Moralitor
Overlord, Barons and the DoS Community,
In following with the feelings of House Questrion, the honorable Baron's Huma Dragonbane and Ulath Fici, I too, Moralitor the Black realign myself as Renegade to the Overlord Dalamar. The reasons for such have been expressed by both of my peers within House Questrion, so I shall not spend time covering the same ground.
Tomorrow eve I meet the Warlord Perrinis in my first defense of the 7th Ring. I shall let the Valar hold judgement by test of arms on my decision this night. If I am failing my sense of honor this evening, then surely I will not wear this ring for long.
Respectfully,
Moralitor the Black
Bearer of the 7th Ring
Alignment of the 7th Ring
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Date: 12/20/97 9:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Jakvaltrds
Barons of the house Questrion, Lord Valmion and Moralitor the BlackBe it known this day,that as in the past ,where the concerns of any house holding a majority of rings, I do vow to do what ever is in my power to limit those rings. I know that I do not stand alone when I say that no house should ever have a controlling interest in the Barons Council.I make no attempt to hide my loyalty to the Overlord Dalamar ArD'aumon, nor my loyalty to a free RhyDin. I have seen the quest for power rear its head here before and now, as then, I shall stand in its path at every turn. I hold no personal feeling of ill will toward any member of your house, I do however believe that this is not a coincidental action on behalf of House QuestrionSeamus MacDonnaugh~Warlord~~~DoS~~
From: Jakvaltrds
Barons of the house Questrion, Lord Valmion and Moralitor the BlackBe it known this day,that as in the past ,where the concerns of any house holding a majority of rings, I do vow to do what ever is in my power to limit those rings. I know that I do not stand alone when I say that no house should ever have a controlling interest in the Barons Council.I make no attempt to hide my loyalty to the Overlord Dalamar ArD'aumon, nor my loyalty to a free RhyDin. I have seen the quest for power rear its head here before and now, as then, I shall stand in its path at every turn. I hold no personal feeling of ill will toward any member of your house, I do however believe that this is not a coincidental action on behalf of House QuestrionSeamus MacDonnaugh~Warlord~~~DoS~~
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Date: 12/20/97 11:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Rix Favre
Seamus,
It hardly seems right to say that Questrion is seeking a majority in the Baron's council. And, in my humble opinion, it is also quite unfair to say that you oppose people gaining rings simply because of their affiliation, be it with a House, Guild, whatever.
Personally, I don't see this as a coincidence either. I see it as members of a House standing together. I'm sure they won't argue that point.
It was Huma's and Ulath's opinions that Dalamar abused his power with the Tests of Worthiness, Moralitor agreed and stood with the members of his House. So far, that's all that has transpired, so I wouldn't read into it too much. At least, not until there is sufficient enough reason to read into it, which, I think, there is not.
~Rix
From: Rix Favre
Seamus,
It hardly seems right to say that Questrion is seeking a majority in the Baron's council. And, in my humble opinion, it is also quite unfair to say that you oppose people gaining rings simply because of their affiliation, be it with a House, Guild, whatever.
Personally, I don't see this as a coincidence either. I see it as members of a House standing together. I'm sure they won't argue that point.
It was Huma's and Ulath's opinions that Dalamar abused his power with the Tests of Worthiness, Moralitor agreed and stood with the members of his House. So far, that's all that has transpired, so I wouldn't read into it too much. At least, not until there is sufficient enough reason to read into it, which, I think, there is not.
~Rix
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Date: 12/21/97 8:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Jakvaltrds
A question to you Rix,
Is it within his power to require the test? If so then it is not an abuse to do what so many have done in the past. Were you in Dalamars position, would you take on every challenger that came along ? I doubt it very much. The law of averages alone will defeat you sooner or later. I can not say for certain that Questrion is making a move for power, but I would rather be wrong and eat humble pie than be correct and have to kick myself for remaining
silent.
Seamus
From: Jakvaltrds
A question to you Rix,
Is it within his power to require the test? If so then it is not an abuse to do what so many have done in the past. Were you in Dalamars position, would you take on every challenger that came along ? I doubt it very much. The law of averages alone will defeat you sooner or later. I can not say for certain that Questrion is making a move for power, but I would rather be wrong and eat humble pie than be correct and have to kick myself for remaining
silent.
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Date: 12/21/97 1:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: BelIeDame
The *red haired stepchild* of Questrion hears about the realignment of some of her fellow members in the house from loyal to renagade. As the yule eve draws near, the meadow faery becomes pensive, withdrawn, the conflicts in her heart drawn dark, causing shadows of despair across her ususally bright face.
BelIe DameFaery of the MeadHouse QuestrionSanctioned TDL CallerSans Merci bd
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The *red haired stepchild* of Questrion hears about the realignment of some of her fellow members in the house from loyal to renagade. As the yule eve draws near, the meadow faery becomes pensive, withdrawn, the conflicts in her heart drawn dark, causing shadows of despair across her ususally bright face.
BelIe DameFaery of the MeadHouse QuestrionSanctioned TDL CallerSans Merci bd
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Date: 12/21/97 6:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Rix Favre
Seamus,
Never will I argue the fact that it is the Overlord's every right and privilege to use the Test whenever and on whomever he wants.
I will, however, disagree with when and on whom he will use the tests.
Would I duel every challenger that came along were I in his position, you ask? In all honesty, even I don't know the answer to that question.
All I'm trying to say is: Everyone has their own opinions. You have yours, Seamus, and the members of Questrion have theirs. Try not to make assumptions or judgements solely on those differing opinions.
~Rix
From: Rix Favre
Seamus,
Never will I argue the fact that it is the Overlord's every right and privilege to use the Test whenever and on whomever he wants.
I will, however, disagree with when and on whom he will use the tests.
Would I duel every challenger that came along were I in his position, you ask? In all honesty, even I don't know the answer to that question.
All I'm trying to say is: Everyone has their own opinions. You have yours, Seamus, and the members of Questrion have theirs. Try not to make assumptions or judgements solely on those differing opinions.
~Rix
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Date: 12/21/97 7:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: SteveLGlow
The fact that everyone has and is entitled to their own opinions is paramount to this issue.
Dalamar obviously feels much different about when to intercede than he did many months ago when he challenged and defeated Athlstan. I even believe one of the reasons behind his challenge was even that Athlstan was abusing the power to intercede.
But that is not the point. I do not mean to suggest that Dalamar does not have full right to do what he chooses. If he even wishes to test an ex-Baron who has already passed his intercession on a previous occasion, that is his perogative.
Let us not bicker back and forth on this issue. Dalamar shall make his decisions, Questrion and everyone shall make theirs. And we shall have to either live with them, or challenge the maker of the decision if possible. I will live with them for the moment, and trust that everyone else does what is right for them.
-Steven Glowacki
From: SteveLGlow
The fact that everyone has and is entitled to their own opinions is paramount to this issue.
Dalamar obviously feels much different about when to intercede than he did many months ago when he challenged and defeated Athlstan. I even believe one of the reasons behind his challenge was even that Athlstan was abusing the power to intercede.
But that is not the point. I do not mean to suggest that Dalamar does not have full right to do what he chooses. If he even wishes to test an ex-Baron who has already passed his intercession on a previous occasion, that is his perogative.
Let us not bicker back and forth on this issue. Dalamar shall make his decisions, Questrion and everyone shall make theirs. And we shall have to either live with them, or challenge the maker of the decision if possible. I will live with them for the moment, and trust that everyone else does what is right for them.
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Date: 12/21/97 8:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Karnafexx
<<rix wrote
It hardly seems right to say that Questrion is seeking a majority in the Baron's council. And, in my humble opinion, it is also quite unfair to say that you oppose people gaining rings simply because of their affiliation, be it with a House, Guild, whatever.
Personally, I don't see this as a coincidence either. I see it as members of a House standing together. I'm sure they won't argue that point.>>
I think we covered this before with house L.....A majority does have its advantages and if you think for a second that Val and the rest of the brat pack don't realize that then yer not usin' yer head.
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<<rix wrote
It hardly seems right to say that Questrion is seeking a majority in the Baron's council. And, in my humble opinion, it is also quite unfair to say that you oppose people gaining rings simply because of their affiliation, be it with a House, Guild, whatever.
Personally, I don't see this as a coincidence either. I see it as members of a House standing together. I'm sure they won't argue that point.>>
I think we covered this before with house L.....A majority does have its advantages and if you think for a second that Val and the rest of the brat pack don't realize that then yer not usin' yer head.
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Date: 12/21/97 9:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Jakvaltrds
::wonders why he bothers to have concern for this in the first place. Trying to decide if he is chicken little or what, then reads the Braggarts response and knows one thing for certain, he really likes the BRK :: Don't you just love that guy ?
Cuts to the chase, doesn't pull any punches, and most of all he has the wherewithal to back it up.
simply,
Seamus
::leaves a package of Red Crayons for the next time Billy stops by::
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::wonders why he bothers to have concern for this in the first place. Trying to decide if he is chicken little or what, then reads the Braggarts response and knows one thing for certain, he really likes the BRK :: Don't you just love that guy ?
Cuts to the chase, doesn't pull any punches, and most of all he has the wherewithal to back it up.
simply,
Seamus
::leaves a package of Red Crayons for the next time Billy stops by::
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Date: 12/21/97 10:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Rix Favre
::chuckles::
I do remember House L and know that a majority in the council does have advantages.
I just think that people are jumping to conclusions and that they don't have all the facts.
Those are my two cents, or whatever currency you use.
~Rix
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::chuckles::
I do remember House L and know that a majority in the council does have advantages.
I just think that people are jumping to conclusions and that they don't have all the facts.
Those are my two cents, or whatever currency you use.
~Rix
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Date: 12/21/97 8:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Drakewyn x
Baron Moralitor: It is with no small amount of surprise that I read your posting on the change of your alignment towards the overlord. Given your impending challenge by my husband, I find your honesty, and your fortitude to change your alignment on the eve of challenge, rather than waiting until Dalamar had called for the test of worthiness, remarkably refreshing in this day and age. Though I, myself, do support Dalamar... I honor your convictions and your detirmination to stand by them. Never-the-less, I stand by my husband, and stand in confidence of his abilities.
Lady Drake.
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Baron Moralitor: It is with no small amount of surprise that I read your posting on the change of your alignment towards the overlord. Given your impending challenge by my husband, I find your honesty, and your fortitude to change your alignment on the eve of challenge, rather than waiting until Dalamar had called for the test of worthiness, remarkably refreshing in this day and age. Though I, myself, do support Dalamar... I honor your convictions and your detirmination to stand by them. Never-the-less, I stand by my husband, and stand in confidence of his abilities.
Lady Drake.
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Date: 12/22/97 12:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Dark Axe
No one says Dalamar doesn't have the legal right to test people, I just simply disagree with the rule and would have it changed if it were within my power.
And simply put, Dalamar's choice of people to test has been atrocious. For goodness sake, he tested Rix. Rix Favre, one of the most respected duelists around and someone whom I know by Dalamar's personal admission has beaten Dalamar several times more than Dalamar has beaten him. an almost undefeated record against Dalamar.
Since I am not Moralitor, I cannot speak for him, but I can tell you my true motives for changing my alignment.
1) Dalamar's abuse of tests
2) To stick together with the other members of my house.
There were no political reasons involved and if I wanted power, I would challenge for the overlordship, not turn renegade. This is not about power, this is foremost about abuse of power and also importantly about loyalty to friends.
Ulath.
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No one says Dalamar doesn't have the legal right to test people, I just simply disagree with the rule and would have it changed if it were within my power.
And simply put, Dalamar's choice of people to test has been atrocious. For goodness sake, he tested Rix. Rix Favre, one of the most respected duelists around and someone whom I know by Dalamar's personal admission has beaten Dalamar several times more than Dalamar has beaten him. an almost undefeated record against Dalamar.
Since I am not Moralitor, I cannot speak for him, but I can tell you my true motives for changing my alignment.
1) Dalamar's abuse of tests
2) To stick together with the other members of my house.
There were no political reasons involved and if I wanted power, I would challenge for the overlordship, not turn renegade. This is not about power, this is foremost about abuse of power and also importantly about loyalty to friends.
Ulath.
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Date: 12/22/97 1:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Zagaroth
"What in the world?" He asks himself quietly as he reads the boards. Something had seemed strange when he had recevied a missive regarding a Renegade Baron who was joining the house, and now this. Zagaroth doesn't know the overlord by more than sight, and he has chosen so far to not get involved in the politics of the arena. He ponderes the many notes left on this subject. If the Overlord were indeed to be abusing his power, then it would
seem to be right to attempt to remove him from that position, or at least show ones lack of support.
He taps his lips with his forefinger, continuing to read. He certainly hoped this wasn't a political move on the part of the house members. he liked to think better of them than that. But the other option, that the Overlord was indeed abusing his power, left a bad taste in his mouth as well, for abusage of power was something he disliked greatly. HE sighs once before turing from the boards, not knowing enough to form a solid opinion about
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From: Zagaroth
"What in the world?" He asks himself quietly as he reads the boards. Something had seemed strange when he had recevied a missive regarding a Renegade Baron who was joining the house, and now this. Zagaroth doesn't know the overlord by more than sight, and he has chosen so far to not get involved in the politics of the arena. He ponderes the many notes left on this subject. If the Overlord were indeed to be abusing his power, then it would
seem to be right to attempt to remove him from that position, or at least show ones lack of support.
He taps his lips with his forefinger, continuing to read. He certainly hoped this wasn't a political move on the part of the house members. he liked to think better of them than that. But the other option, that the Overlord was indeed abusing his power, left a bad taste in his mouth as well, for abusage of power was something he disliked greatly. HE sighs once before turing from the boards, not knowing enough to form a solid opinion about
this.