From: occurs@aol.com (Occurs)
Date: 23 Jun 1998 03:37:46 EDT
Honor be simple, it be wha' in ya heart. Ya nae know if it be right o' wrong. But ya know it be good and, sometimes, it be hard.
Honor be simple and its heart be trust. For if ya can nae trust, then ya can nae hae any honor.
Summer
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From: joaknshld@aol.com (J Oaknshld)
Date: 23 Jun 1998 08:01:57 EDT
Honor...it is not somethin' ya judge within yerself.
I know how I act, I know how I believe. I will act from me heart, I will believe what is in me heart.
People will view how I act and see how I believe, and dey will judge if I have honor or not. It matters not how I am judged, if I am ta be seen with honor by doin' as I believe so be it, if I am ta be seen as dishonorable by doin' as I believe, so be it.
Act from da heart, stay true ta yerself, and no one will be able ta ask more of ya.
~Jeffrey Oakenshield~
Diamond, Baron, Mage, Man
Date: 23 Jun 1998 08:01:57 EDT
Honor...it is not somethin' ya judge within yerself.
I know how I act, I know how I believe. I will act from me heart, I will believe what is in me heart.
People will view how I act and see how I believe, and dey will judge if I have honor or not. It matters not how I am judged, if I am ta be seen with honor by doin' as I believe so be it, if I am ta be seen as dishonorable by doin' as I believe, so be it.
Act from da heart, stay true ta yerself, and no one will be able ta ask more of ya.
~Jeffrey Oakenshield~
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From: baphelocl@aol.com (Bapheloc L)
Date: 23 Jun 1998 12:40:02 EDT
Baron Avery,
You have recieved many answers to your question. Some are similiar, some are more definitive, but in all it comes to the same. Honor is what it means to you and what you do with it. And with that everyone has thier own concept of honor and what they will do with it.
What does it mean to the Arena of Swords? It depends with who you wish to associate with and to what end you wish to involve yourself with the events of the rings. Just remember to the victor goes the spoils and into history thier version of events. To the loser, nothing. With this venue of combat, as you have so often heard in response to your query, honor is used as justification for alot of things, whether right or wrong in its use. So
simply advised, becareful of what you leap into before involving yourself, however, when you do involve yourself do it wholly with all that you have so others can see your commitment to excellence. I believe this is what the former Baron of three times, Warlord Welsh Highlander, Elijah "Ecore" Basia-Uhr/Llewys, meant by..."Rest in Reason, Move in PassionPTSIZE=10>".
Honor to thyself, Respect to others,
Baphelocutis est Lathadoscia
::sealed in wax by the signet ring stamp of the royal family Lathadoscia::
Date: 23 Jun 1998 12:40:02 EDT
Baron Avery,
You have recieved many answers to your question. Some are similiar, some are more definitive, but in all it comes to the same. Honor is what it means to you and what you do with it. And with that everyone has thier own concept of honor and what they will do with it.
What does it mean to the Arena of Swords? It depends with who you wish to associate with and to what end you wish to involve yourself with the events of the rings. Just remember to the victor goes the spoils and into history thier version of events. To the loser, nothing. With this venue of combat, as you have so often heard in response to your query, honor is used as justification for alot of things, whether right or wrong in its use. So
simply advised, becareful of what you leap into before involving yourself, however, when you do involve yourself do it wholly with all that you have so others can see your commitment to excellence. I believe this is what the former Baron of three times, Warlord Welsh Highlander, Elijah "Ecore" Basia-Uhr/Llewys, meant by..."Rest in Reason, Move in PassionPTSIZE=10>".
Honor to thyself, Respect to others,
Baphelocutis est Lathadoscia
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From: lrdevasion@aol.com (LrdEvasion)
Date: 23 Jun 1998 22:18:17 EDT
Alrighty then...this is a first, we're fighting over what honor means. ::left unsigned::
Date: 23 Jun 1998 22:18:17 EDT
Alrighty then...this is a first, we're fighting over what honor means. ::left unsigned::
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From: zen80s@aol.com (Zen 80s)
Date: 23 Jun 1998 23:44:55 EDT
::reads the unsigned post::
Whoever wrote that, It doesn't seem like a fight yet to me. In fact, it seems pretty civilized.
Zen
Date: 23 Jun 1998 23:44:55 EDT
::reads the unsigned post::
Whoever wrote that, It doesn't seem like a fight yet to me. In fact, it seems pretty civilized.
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From: foxxgrrl@aol.com (Foxxgrrl)
Date: 24 Jun 1998 01:03:02 EDT
And fighting over what honor means is certainly not a first...here or elsewhere. It's been the basis for fights as long as there's been history.
~Ally
Date: 24 Jun 1998 01:03:02 EDT
And fighting over what honor means is certainly not a first...here or elsewhere. It's been the basis for fights as long as there's been history.
~Ally
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From: girvin@aol.com (GIRVIN)
Date: 24 Jun 1998 07:48:26 EDT
Said before, but it bears being repeated...
It is a curious concept the notion of honor in the Duel of Swords. The word is bandied about like an elixir that will cover all actions and justify every slight or insult. The fact is that honor demands more. Why is honor tossed around so often as a justification for one's side in an argument? I cannot say with impunity, but I believe it cheapens and lessens the power and the meaning of the
word with each casual use. I have lived my whole life by a code of honor, and yet, what passes so often for honor in the Arena, is not even close to that by which I was raised. For an example, can an assassin be considered honorable? They might think so, and even follow a code of honor as I do, but are they "Honorable"? Their own honor in this case is often in their own minds and not to those who have lost loved ones to his profession, or even
the majority of society.
So let us examine the empirical evidence of what Honor means.
1 a : good name or public esteem : REPUTATION
b : a showing of merited respect : RECOGNITION
Both of these definitions deal with "merit", or "character" and/or "conduct" deserving reward, honor or esteem. In this case, as will often appear, honor deals with how one's own actions appear and are perceived by the general populace. Thus, others may construe my personal code of ethics to be dishonorable, although to me they are highly honorable. One must always remember that titles and awards can be won with ease and simple popularity. True
respect (which leads so often from taking the publicly perceived honorable path) more likely requires a consistent course of actions.
2 : PRIVILEGE
By virtue of the rules guiding the Duel of Swords, the Overlord and Barons are privileged. The Baron's Council, Test of Worthiness, and added rights to moves are all privileges. As with all privileges, there is a responsibility to maintaining respect and merit.
3 : a person of superior standing
Superior standing, a curious phrase to relate to Honor. A person who shows excellence (or superiority) in something often holds a position from which one may assert or enforce their own views on legal rights and duties in that area. The often hold, as well, a position in which they have held up a standard of achievement to be "equaled" to his competitors.
4 : one whose worth brings respect or fame : CREDIT
One who's worth brings respect. This could refer to title or money save for the word credit. Honor, in this meaning, would be shown in a statement like, "Helix is a credit to the DoS staff." This is a statement of honor, as opposed to "Dalamar is the overlord." While this is not false, it is not honorable either, unless credit is given to his struggle to maintain his position or some other means that makes his holding the title a credit to DoS.
5 : the center point of the upper half of an armorial escutcheon
This relates to ships, shields, or a coat of arms. Therefore it is not fully applicable without making some sort of theological leap in language that I am not willing to make.
6 : an evidence or symbol of distinction: as
a : an exalted title or rank (Overlord, Baron, and even Warlord)
b (1) : BADGE, DECORATION
(2) : a ceremonial rite or observance <buried with full military ~s>
c : an award in a contest or field of competition
d : a gesture of deference : BOW
These are the gestures of giving honor. I have always bowed to the callers when dueling. I feel they are the heart and soul of DoS and they work because of their love of the sport and therefore deserve all honor from those of us who use them. And they honor me with their friendship and kindness.
7 : CHASTITY, PURITY
Purity is a thing worth fighting anyone over, but maintaining purity requires constant vigilance and questioning of not only the motives of others, but your own as well. Most people are not truly pure because they have learned to lie to the person we all learn to deceive most easily, ourselves.
8 a : a keen sense of ethical conduct : INTEGRITY
b : one's word given as a guarantee of performance
This is honor in relation to others. If I go about waging war on all nations for any cause, how can stand before a people and call my land a city of refuge and peace. This is the sense of the word were one traditionally finds their honor insulted. To state it a bit differently: Honor is a mode, or standard, of personal behavior based on a guiding philosophy or a system of moral standards which is carried out in a swift and impassioned manner.
This is honor in self, in one's actions, and in the public eye. One who believes strongly in a thing and states to those that are their friends and then reverses that stance may have their honor questioned. This is rightfully so. If I say to a person that I will meet them and give them gold for whatever purpose, and I send an assistant, or even an ally to do what I said I would do, I have called my honor in to question. In order for one's word to
be their bond, their word *must* be their bond above all else.
Some synonyms:
HONOR, HOMAGE, REVERENCE, DEFERENCE mean respect and esteem shown to another.
HONOR may apply to the recognition of one's right to great respect or to any expression of such recognition (the nomination is an honor).
HOMAGE adds the implication of accompanying praise (paying homage to those overlords of the past).
REVERENCE implies profound respect mingled with love, devotion, or awe (great reverence for my father).
DEFERENCE implies a yielding or submitting to another's judgment or preference out of respect or reverence (showed no deference to their elders).
What I find most curious in this sport is how no one mentions honesty when they speak of honor. Honesty is a crucial joining of all the definitions of honor. If one cannot be honest, they cannot be trusted. If one cannot be trusted, they cannot be respected. If one cannot be respected, they cannot be honorable or characterized by integrity, as one guided by a high sense of honor and duty. Honor requires one to be true to ones self and retain
that inner truth while working for the betterment of those around them. There is no Court of Honor in the Duel of Swords save this place to lay charges before the Court of public opinion. The responses to those questions show the level of honor in not only their meaning, but their tone as well as duplicity. In all honor must reign supreme, for as the base of honor is honesty, the base of loyalty is trust. It is fact that without honesty there is
no trust.
Some words that are the opposite of honor: contempt, despite, disdain, scorn, disregard, neglect, and slighting. In short treating others with a lack of respect, no matter the cause, is to dishonor your own person.
Take this as you will, for I am not attacking anyone personally. What I oppose is the idea that honor is anything other than respect and honesty most especially when one spits on others for voicing their concerns and yet feels they have the right to honor.
No one has an absolute right to honor. Honor is earned continually and there is never a time one can sit back and disregard the consequences of their actions because they have achieved a position of honor.
Constant,
~Brian Girvin
Date: 24 Jun 1998 07:48:26 EDT
Said before, but it bears being repeated...
It is a curious concept the notion of honor in the Duel of Swords. The word is bandied about like an elixir that will cover all actions and justify every slight or insult. The fact is that honor demands more. Why is honor tossed around so often as a justification for one's side in an argument? I cannot say with impunity, but I believe it cheapens and lessens the power and the meaning of the
word with each casual use. I have lived my whole life by a code of honor, and yet, what passes so often for honor in the Arena, is not even close to that by which I was raised. For an example, can an assassin be considered honorable? They might think so, and even follow a code of honor as I do, but are they "Honorable"? Their own honor in this case is often in their own minds and not to those who have lost loved ones to his profession, or even
the majority of society.
So let us examine the empirical evidence of what Honor means.
1 a : good name or public esteem : REPUTATION
b : a showing of merited respect : RECOGNITION
Both of these definitions deal with "merit", or "character" and/or "conduct" deserving reward, honor or esteem. In this case, as will often appear, honor deals with how one's own actions appear and are perceived by the general populace. Thus, others may construe my personal code of ethics to be dishonorable, although to me they are highly honorable. One must always remember that titles and awards can be won with ease and simple popularity. True
respect (which leads so often from taking the publicly perceived honorable path) more likely requires a consistent course of actions.
2 : PRIVILEGE
By virtue of the rules guiding the Duel of Swords, the Overlord and Barons are privileged. The Baron's Council, Test of Worthiness, and added rights to moves are all privileges. As with all privileges, there is a responsibility to maintaining respect and merit.
3 : a person of superior standing
Superior standing, a curious phrase to relate to Honor. A person who shows excellence (or superiority) in something often holds a position from which one may assert or enforce their own views on legal rights and duties in that area. The often hold, as well, a position in which they have held up a standard of achievement to be "equaled" to his competitors.
4 : one whose worth brings respect or fame : CREDIT
One who's worth brings respect. This could refer to title or money save for the word credit. Honor, in this meaning, would be shown in a statement like, "Helix is a credit to the DoS staff." This is a statement of honor, as opposed to "Dalamar is the overlord." While this is not false, it is not honorable either, unless credit is given to his struggle to maintain his position or some other means that makes his holding the title a credit to DoS.
5 : the center point of the upper half of an armorial escutcheon
This relates to ships, shields, or a coat of arms. Therefore it is not fully applicable without making some sort of theological leap in language that I am not willing to make.
6 : an evidence or symbol of distinction: as
a : an exalted title or rank (Overlord, Baron, and even Warlord)
b (1) : BADGE, DECORATION
(2) : a ceremonial rite or observance <buried with full military ~s>
c : an award in a contest or field of competition
d : a gesture of deference : BOW
These are the gestures of giving honor. I have always bowed to the callers when dueling. I feel they are the heart and soul of DoS and they work because of their love of the sport and therefore deserve all honor from those of us who use them. And they honor me with their friendship and kindness.
7 : CHASTITY, PURITY
Purity is a thing worth fighting anyone over, but maintaining purity requires constant vigilance and questioning of not only the motives of others, but your own as well. Most people are not truly pure because they have learned to lie to the person we all learn to deceive most easily, ourselves.
8 a : a keen sense of ethical conduct : INTEGRITY
b : one's word given as a guarantee of performance
This is honor in relation to others. If I go about waging war on all nations for any cause, how can stand before a people and call my land a city of refuge and peace. This is the sense of the word were one traditionally finds their honor insulted. To state it a bit differently: Honor is a mode, or standard, of personal behavior based on a guiding philosophy or a system of moral standards which is carried out in a swift and impassioned manner.
This is honor in self, in one's actions, and in the public eye. One who believes strongly in a thing and states to those that are their friends and then reverses that stance may have their honor questioned. This is rightfully so. If I say to a person that I will meet them and give them gold for whatever purpose, and I send an assistant, or even an ally to do what I said I would do, I have called my honor in to question. In order for one's word to
be their bond, their word *must* be their bond above all else.
Some synonyms:
HONOR, HOMAGE, REVERENCE, DEFERENCE mean respect and esteem shown to another.
HONOR may apply to the recognition of one's right to great respect or to any expression of such recognition (the nomination is an honor).
HOMAGE adds the implication of accompanying praise (paying homage to those overlords of the past).
REVERENCE implies profound respect mingled with love, devotion, or awe (great reverence for my father).
DEFERENCE implies a yielding or submitting to another's judgment or preference out of respect or reverence (showed no deference to their elders).
What I find most curious in this sport is how no one mentions honesty when they speak of honor. Honesty is a crucial joining of all the definitions of honor. If one cannot be honest, they cannot be trusted. If one cannot be trusted, they cannot be respected. If one cannot be respected, they cannot be honorable or characterized by integrity, as one guided by a high sense of honor and duty. Honor requires one to be true to ones self and retain
that inner truth while working for the betterment of those around them. There is no Court of Honor in the Duel of Swords save this place to lay charges before the Court of public opinion. The responses to those questions show the level of honor in not only their meaning, but their tone as well as duplicity. In all honor must reign supreme, for as the base of honor is honesty, the base of loyalty is trust. It is fact that without honesty there is
no trust.
Some words that are the opposite of honor: contempt, despite, disdain, scorn, disregard, neglect, and slighting. In short treating others with a lack of respect, no matter the cause, is to dishonor your own person.
Take this as you will, for I am not attacking anyone personally. What I oppose is the idea that honor is anything other than respect and honesty most especially when one spits on others for voicing their concerns and yet feels they have the right to honor.
No one has an absolute right to honor. Honor is earned continually and there is never a time one can sit back and disregard the consequences of their actions because they have achieved a position of honor.
Constant,
~Brian Girvin
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From: takcouma@aol.com (Takcouma)
Date: 24 Jun 1998 13:39:24 EDT
((repeated from one of her quotes earlier))
The optimist sees honor and not the battle of fighting over it. The pessimist stares at the battle of fighting over it, oblivious of honor.
The way I see it, this is just a discussion of honor and what it means. Could fight over it....::laughs:: so question is, Lrdevasion are ye optimistic or pessimistic? ::grins::
Date: 24 Jun 1998 13:39:24 EDT
((repeated from one of her quotes earlier))
The optimist sees honor and not the battle of fighting over it. The pessimist stares at the battle of fighting over it, oblivious of honor.
The way I see it, this is just a discussion of honor and what it means. Could fight over it....::laughs:: so question is, Lrdevasion are ye optimistic or pessimistic? ::grins::
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From: shivblade@aol.com (SHIV BLADE)
Date: 24 Jun 1998 13:53:39 EDT
::Walks up to the question he put up a couple of days back, and is surprised to see so many people posting their response. Thumbing through them, reading each one in turn, he makes some notes on specific responses. Coming to Tom’s response about this being some sort of fight, he raises a brow. Pulling out a pen he jots down a quick post, before he heads off to go review some of the other ideas he
took from the responses.::
Tom and anyone else this could concern,
I do believe that this isn't a fight over what honor is, my friend. People, are just helping me out with a question of mine, and engaging in a discussion I think. At least That is what I intended this to be. I wanted some clarification on what honor was to people. I would hope that people are not just putting down their own views but are looking at others views, to see what differences there might be. As of yet I haven’t seen anyone question another
persons sense of honor. I have not had time to sit and go through this generous amount of responses. I would like to thank everyone for responding though, and bringing some enlightenment to me, and all, on this topic.
Avery Shiv Blade
Baron of the 6th
Student of life
Date: 24 Jun 1998 13:53:39 EDT
::Walks up to the question he put up a couple of days back, and is surprised to see so many people posting their response. Thumbing through them, reading each one in turn, he makes some notes on specific responses. Coming to Tom’s response about this being some sort of fight, he raises a brow. Pulling out a pen he jots down a quick post, before he heads off to go review some of the other ideas he
took from the responses.::
Tom and anyone else this could concern,
I do believe that this isn't a fight over what honor is, my friend. People, are just helping me out with a question of mine, and engaging in a discussion I think. At least That is what I intended this to be. I wanted some clarification on what honor was to people. I would hope that people are not just putting down their own views but are looking at others views, to see what differences there might be. As of yet I haven’t seen anyone question another
persons sense of honor. I have not had time to sit and go through this generous amount of responses. I would like to thank everyone for responding though, and bringing some enlightenment to me, and all, on this topic.
Avery Shiv Blade
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Student of life
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From: reaperarkn@aol.com (ReaperArkn)
Date: 24 Jun 1998 15:30:20 EDT
:::reads through all the various beliefs as to what honor is and makes a short post:::
Drake,
Say not honor is gone, but perhaps, forgotten for a time.
Adonai,
Well said. Honor is truly what you make of it.
As for me, I think I'd have to agree with Var. Honor is integrity. Sincereity, honesty, and candor. I think, of those three words, honesty strikes home the most.
Lord Krollon Orak Arkanan
"The Reaper"
Warlord of DoS and...
Keeper of the Lost House
Date: 24 Jun 1998 15:30:20 EDT
:::reads through all the various beliefs as to what honor is and makes a short post:::
Drake,
Say not honor is gone, but perhaps, forgotten for a time.
Adonai,
Well said. Honor is truly what you make of it.
As for me, I think I'd have to agree with Var. Honor is integrity. Sincereity, honesty, and candor. I think, of those three words, honesty strikes home the most.
Lord Krollon Orak Arkanan
"The Reaper"
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From: zen80s@aol.com (Zen 80s)
Date: 24 Jun 1998 16:36:48 EDT
::reads Girvin's post::
Well...that's a pretty thorough definition of honor.
But, to me, it seems that it emphasizes the public perception of oneself. That is, whether other people think you have "honor" is what's important. I would think that's not as important as it seems unless you thought you were in position to judge someone else's honor by those standards.
Personally, I think the main tenets of honor are honesty and integrity. Deceit and hypocrisy are as dishonorable traits as they come. Obviously that makes it pretty hard, because nearly all of us at one point or another have lied or contradicted ourselves. I think trying to be consistent in that regard and trying to avoid slips is important. After all, none of us are totally perfect, but we can try to be perfect in that regard, and, not
succeeding, will still be much better off for it. And being honest to yourself is important as well, because as it's been said here before, "To thine own self be true, and it should follow, as night the day, thou cannot then be false to any man."
I believe that.
Zen
Date: 24 Jun 1998 16:36:48 EDT
::reads Girvin's post::
Well...that's a pretty thorough definition of honor.
But, to me, it seems that it emphasizes the public perception of oneself. That is, whether other people think you have "honor" is what's important. I would think that's not as important as it seems unless you thought you were in position to judge someone else's honor by those standards.
Personally, I think the main tenets of honor are honesty and integrity. Deceit and hypocrisy are as dishonorable traits as they come. Obviously that makes it pretty hard, because nearly all of us at one point or another have lied or contradicted ourselves. I think trying to be consistent in that regard and trying to avoid slips is important. After all, none of us are totally perfect, but we can try to be perfect in that regard, and, not
succeeding, will still be much better off for it. And being honest to yourself is important as well, because as it's been said here before, "To thine own self be true, and it should follow, as night the day, thou cannot then be false to any man."
I believe that.
Zen
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From: ace223344@aol.com (ACE223344)
Date: 25 Jun 1998 08:59:33 EDT
::Reads all the posts, and ponders about them for a moment. Then drops on the floor, and rolls around laughing. Finally gets up, and whipes a tear from his eye. Walks off mumbling about honor, and starts to laugh again::
Date: 25 Jun 1998 08:59:33 EDT
::Reads all the posts, and ponders about them for a moment. Then drops on the floor, and rolls around laughing. Finally gets up, and whipes a tear from his eye. Walks off mumbling about honor, and starts to laugh again::
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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 26 Jun 1998 02:49:49 EDT
Reaper...
Honor was not forgotten... it was left behind for the few of us who strain under the weight of carrying honor for those who refuse.
::Again leaving the post unsigned, but still in her distinctive handwriting.::
Date: 26 Jun 1998 02:49:49 EDT
Reaper...
Honor was not forgotten... it was left behind for the few of us who strain under the weight of carrying honor for those who refuse.
::Again leaving the post unsigned, but still in her distinctive handwriting.::
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From: jakvaltrds@aol.com (Jakvaltrds)
Date: 26 Jun 1998 03:51:27 EDT
:::sifting through the numerous responses to a dificult question, he pauses to inspect an unsigned response. Knowing the script quite well but deciding not to expose that which was left deliberately unsigned. Jotting a few lines before slipping away from the cork:::
Honor is nae a burden tae bear but a privalege. Tis a bit like humility, once ye think ye ha'e it , it's gone. I cannae say I am an honorable man, I can merely say I find certain things offensive an therefore refuse to do them. If another man doesnae feel the same, I dinna tell him he is wrong for acting himself, I simply hope tha' man will see a better path tae choose. Still and all, I cannae force my beliefs on him, or you for tha' matter ,but
perhaps, if I hold honor to be something more than a word batted about the rings, some will see what I hold dear and maybe understand what honor does mean to me. If we are lucky, this man may find something to gain by trying to immulate those tha' do hold dear things like respect , kindness, and loyalty.
::tacks the note for any to see and leaves it unsigned, just as the one above it:::
Date: 26 Jun 1998 03:51:27 EDT
:::sifting through the numerous responses to a dificult question, he pauses to inspect an unsigned response. Knowing the script quite well but deciding not to expose that which was left deliberately unsigned. Jotting a few lines before slipping away from the cork:::
Honor is nae a burden tae bear but a privalege. Tis a bit like humility, once ye think ye ha'e it , it's gone. I cannae say I am an honorable man, I can merely say I find certain things offensive an therefore refuse to do them. If another man doesnae feel the same, I dinna tell him he is wrong for acting himself, I simply hope tha' man will see a better path tae choose. Still and all, I cannae force my beliefs on him, or you for tha' matter ,but
perhaps, if I hold honor to be something more than a word batted about the rings, some will see what I hold dear and maybe understand what honor does mean to me. If we are lucky, this man may find something to gain by trying to immulate those tha' do hold dear things like respect , kindness, and loyalty.
::tacks the note for any to see and leaves it unsigned, just as the one above it:::
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From: zen80s@aol.com (Zen 80s)
Date: 26 Jun 1998 16:11:50 EDT
::reads the first unsigned post::
Whoever wrote this,
It sounds like you're saying:
-- You are a person who is so burdened with honor because the rest of us have none.
-- We should be grateful that you are willing to carry all our honor for us, because we are obviously dishonorable and not worthy to have it.
-- We should be thankful to have you because you are such a great example of honor to the rest of us who have none, because we can never be as honorable as you obviously are.
If that's what you meant to say, well...no wonder you left it unsigned. If I interpreted it correctly, it's pretty insulting to most of us, except those who feel they're in the same boat with you-- that is, of having to hold the honor for all of us because we aren't worthy to have it.
Zen
::as he walks away, he says to himself "It sounds like the only thing this person's burdened with is self-righteousness and a fear of reprisal"::
Date: 26 Jun 1998 16:11:50 EDT
::reads the first unsigned post::
Whoever wrote this,
It sounds like you're saying:
-- You are a person who is so burdened with honor because the rest of us have none.
-- We should be grateful that you are willing to carry all our honor for us, because we are obviously dishonorable and not worthy to have it.
-- We should be thankful to have you because you are such a great example of honor to the rest of us who have none, because we can never be as honorable as you obviously are.
If that's what you meant to say, well...no wonder you left it unsigned. If I interpreted it correctly, it's pretty insulting to most of us, except those who feel they're in the same boat with you-- that is, of having to hold the honor for all of us because we aren't worthy to have it.
Zen
::as he walks away, he says to himself "It sounds like the only thing this person's burdened with is self-righteousness and a fear of reprisal"::