From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 30 Oct 1999 22:14:00 EDT
Gentles,
Tis seeming that the newest Baron didst declare at first that he wouldst permit the Overlord to set his alignment, then seemingly chose to declare himself loyal only to suffer banishment. Methinks if'n the new Baron, Damien be placing challenge based upon the banishment, tis said challenge nae be proper forein his voicing his wish following his garnering ta ring that he wouldst leave it ta the Overlord wouldst in and of itself be a forfeiture of his
right ta place challenge save that he declare himself ast renegade ta the Overlord.
Though the missive relating the garnering of the ring dost state that Damien didst declare himself loyal, tis perchance his statement that he wouldst leave his stance ta the Overlord wast nae heard by th' official. Tis clear that if'n Damien indeed didst declare himself ast loyal privily unto the Overlord and officials following his garnering of the Eighth Ring he did so with nae intent of being loyal.
Tis clear also ta anna what hae witnessed the behavior both within and without the rings by this personage that he be another example of the depths to which this ancient sport hae fallen.
Unto the Baron Cletus I do state that thee, sir hae shown an utter lack of regard for the sport, for the history and for the community at large in thine support of Damien Mortis.
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 30 Oct 1999 23:11:47 EDT
Lady Starfare:
While I would agree that you're wholly correct that the Baron would not actually have the immediate right to challenge, one must remember that Renegade Barons have the right to challenge anyway.
However, I am curious... do the rules truly allow someone to issue two challenges in a cycle under normal circumstances? I'm not entirely certain such a thing has ever come up before, but it could well be argued that the Baron has, indeed, used his challenge for the cycle. I would be interested in the sport officials' view on this.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
Date: 30 Oct 1999 23:11:47 EDT
Lady Starfare:
While I would agree that you're wholly correct that the Baron would not actually have the immediate right to challenge, one must remember that Renegade Barons have the right to challenge anyway.
However, I am curious... do the rules truly allow someone to issue two challenges in a cycle under normal circumstances? I'm not entirely certain such a thing has ever come up before, but it could well be argued that the Baron has, indeed, used his challenge for the cycle. I would be interested in the sport officials' view on this.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 00:01:31 EDT
"While I would agree that you're wholly correct that the Baron would not actually have the immediate right to challenge, one must remember that Renegade Barons have the right to challenge anyway."
I believe you are correct, Ian, as far as the rules state right now. It says a renegade may challenge the Overlord at anytime, but only once per cycle.
Of course, it also states a duelist may only issue challenge once per cycle. However, the rules once again contradict eachother in this case, and it's apparent this is another rule clarification which must be made.
Var Medici-Giovanni
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Date: 31 Oct 1999 00:01:31 EDT
"While I would agree that you're wholly correct that the Baron would not actually have the immediate right to challenge, one must remember that Renegade Barons have the right to challenge anyway."
I believe you are correct, Ian, as far as the rules state right now. It says a renegade may challenge the Overlord at anytime, but only once per cycle.
Of course, it also states a duelist may only issue challenge once per cycle. However, the rules once again contradict eachother in this case, and it's apparent this is another rule clarification which must be made.
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From: jessetroyn@aol.com (JesseTroyn)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 01:12:19 EST
The challenge rules apply to particular titles. Each person has the right to challenge for a Barony once per cycle and to challenge for Overlord once per cycle. Nowhere in the rules does it say that exercising one of the rights precludes exercising the other. Suck it up and let the moron challenge, it's not like he's gonna win anyway.
-JT
Date: 31 Oct 1999 01:12:19 EST
The challenge rules apply to particular titles. Each person has the right to challenge for a Barony once per cycle and to challenge for Overlord once per cycle. Nowhere in the rules does it say that exercising one of the rights precludes exercising the other. Suck it up and let the moron challenge, it's not like he's gonna win anyway.
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 01:30:23 EDT
Ian,
Indeed, tis an interesting premise ta ponder fore in that tis stated that a challenge unto the Overlord may be made by a qualified duelist but once per cycle. The new baron wast nae so qualified to make a challenge unto the Overlord prior to his garnering the Eighth Ring.
Nae that such may be required, yet I shall hope that all warlords be aware that, ast Damien Mortis stands ast Renegade he himself is open to immediate challenge by any and all qualified Warlords. For ast a Renegade, he isna protected e'en though he hae issued challenge unto the Overlord.
Jona
Date: 31 Oct 1999 01:30:23 EDT
Ian,
Indeed, tis an interesting premise ta ponder fore in that tis stated that a challenge unto the Overlord may be made by a qualified duelist but once per cycle. The new baron wast nae so qualified to make a challenge unto the Overlord prior to his garnering the Eighth Ring.
Nae that such may be required, yet I shall hope that all warlords be aware that, ast Damien Mortis stands ast Renegade he himself is open to immediate challenge by any and all qualified Warlords. For ast a Renegade, he isna protected e'en though he hae issued challenge unto the Overlord.
Jona
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From: karnafexx@aol.com (Karnafexx)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 02:39:18 EST
Hmmm, Mathias...that name should trigger some memories, but it doesn't. I'm sure I've seen you scuttling around the arena on one occasion or so. I suppose I should be either moved or angered by your post. I cannot. however, garner the effort it would require to take you seriously.
What you fail to realize is that I do not, have not and never will put the sport of DoS above my own desires. The sport is something I use for my own amusement, long past are the days I held this place in awe. I don't know who you think I am or what I stand for, but you apparently have it wrong.
I do what I want to do and I do it because it either pleases me or as a means to an end.
There are other reasons I find myself inclined to support the renegade baron...but I doubt you'd care to hear them and, once again, you aren't worth the effort it would take to write them down.
My days of supporting "the" overlord are far from over. It will take an overlord that I can respect for that to happen though. I see Avery as nothing more than another lifeless lump of flesh stuck in the revolving door, he is incapable of inspiring the least bit of loyalty out of me because I find him lacking in the simplest of qualities I find attractive in a leader. That's not to say he doesn't inspire loyalty in the lower forms of life we have
here in the DoS, but these are also the same people who become captivated by shiny objects.
In case you haven't taken the hint, I don't really care for what is thought about me, I never have. I don't base my life off of how others view me. You may not be able to handle the fact that I have no will to conform to the majority sentiment about the overlord, barons, honor or the DoS and how it should be seem in general. Unfortunately, your opinions of me or what I do carry less weight with me than I can convey.
::Sighs to himself as he continues::
Why do I even bother trying to make people understand when I couldn't care less if the do or not?
Just be advised that I'll do what I want, when I want, to whom I want and unless you can stop me, talk is cheap. If I want to get a few cheap thrills by helping some kid dethrone the overlord, and possibly take a loyal ring for myself in the process, I'll do it. Then again, I'd probably turn on the kid after he won because I doubt I could find it in me to be loyal to him either.
Do you see yet? It's all about me. I only care about Billy Ray and the few people I hold dear to me. The rest of you are nothing more than meat for the grinder.
Sleep well,
BRK
Date: 31 Oct 1999 02:39:18 EST
Hmmm, Mathias...that name should trigger some memories, but it doesn't. I'm sure I've seen you scuttling around the arena on one occasion or so. I suppose I should be either moved or angered by your post. I cannot. however, garner the effort it would require to take you seriously.
What you fail to realize is that I do not, have not and never will put the sport of DoS above my own desires. The sport is something I use for my own amusement, long past are the days I held this place in awe. I don't know who you think I am or what I stand for, but you apparently have it wrong.
I do what I want to do and I do it because it either pleases me or as a means to an end.
There are other reasons I find myself inclined to support the renegade baron...but I doubt you'd care to hear them and, once again, you aren't worth the effort it would take to write them down.
My days of supporting "the" overlord are far from over. It will take an overlord that I can respect for that to happen though. I see Avery as nothing more than another lifeless lump of flesh stuck in the revolving door, he is incapable of inspiring the least bit of loyalty out of me because I find him lacking in the simplest of qualities I find attractive in a leader. That's not to say he doesn't inspire loyalty in the lower forms of life we have
here in the DoS, but these are also the same people who become captivated by shiny objects.
In case you haven't taken the hint, I don't really care for what is thought about me, I never have. I don't base my life off of how others view me. You may not be able to handle the fact that I have no will to conform to the majority sentiment about the overlord, barons, honor or the DoS and how it should be seem in general. Unfortunately, your opinions of me or what I do carry less weight with me than I can convey.
::Sighs to himself as he continues::
Why do I even bother trying to make people understand when I couldn't care less if the do or not?
Just be advised that I'll do what I want, when I want, to whom I want and unless you can stop me, talk is cheap. If I want to get a few cheap thrills by helping some kid dethrone the overlord, and possibly take a loyal ring for myself in the process, I'll do it. Then again, I'd probably turn on the kid after he won because I doubt I could find it in me to be loyal to him either.
Do you see yet? It's all about me. I only care about Billy Ray and the few people I hold dear to me. The rest of you are nothing more than meat for the grinder.
Sleep well,
BRK
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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 06:36:57 EST
Ian...
You make a valid point.... but for now I will address Jesse's counter-point. He states: "The challenge rules apply to particular titles. Each person has the right to challenge for a Barony once per cycle and to challenge for Overlord once per cycle. Nowhere in the rules does it say that exercising one of the rights precludes exercising the other."
This becomes a matter of how one chooses to read the words. The exact text of the rules governing this is: "Warlords may challenge the Overlord or Barons for there seats at anytime subject to the "Universal Terms of Challenge" but only once per cycle and with the following restrictions:" The rules then go on to mention the Warlord's Tourney and how
the Overlord gets his twentyfour day grace period. It also mentions how the winner of that Tourney's challenge is not subject to the "Right of Challenge" and there-for obviously does not count as their "once per cycle." It also goes on to describe how a challenge is made.
But, getting back to that exact wording... "Warlords may challenge the Overlord or Barons for there seats at anytime"... "but only once per cycle". When read one way, the rules seem to back up Jesse's assertation... but when read another way, the rules seem to
say that you only get one challenge per cycle, and it can be against the Overlord or a Baron.
However... look at the wording further... Once the Standings were posted, Damien Mortis was no longer a Warlord... he was a Baron... thus subject to the rules govering Barons.
I am not making a ruling on this... but I will state that I have validated the challenge. If the Supervisor wishes to overturn this, he will do so... but as far as I am concerned, the matter is in the hands of the Overlord.
Lastly, Lupton says/asks the following: "A Baron cannot be Loyal unless the Overlord agrees. Barons petition for loyalty. So, was Damien allowed to be Loyal?" This is incorrect, and yes Damien was allowed to be Loyal. The exact rules are: "3. Barons can either be aligned with the Overlord
or not and respectively titled Loyalist, Renegade or Neutral.
4. New Barons must proclaim their alignment upon accepting the ring. If not it is at the discretion of the Overlord."
The only place where petitioning for Loyalty comes in is: "4. Renegades may petition for Loyal or Neutral alignment pending approval of the Overlord. The Overlord may refuse the realignment for any given reason." However, strangely enough, a Neutral Baron does not have this option.
The only trick that the Overlord missed here was: "8. Can, at anytime, switch the alignment of a Baron with reason given in writing to all Barons and to the Standings Keeper provided a WoL record of 15 is maintained." Which means he could have aligned the Baron to Neutral alignment. The Baron could still challenge, but with less provocation. Further,
a Neutral Baron does not have the option that a Renegade Baron does of : "Renegades may appoint a warlord champion IF the Overlord elects to use the "Test of Worthiness" against them. The appointed champion may decline."
I hope we've all learned something from this.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
Date: 31 Oct 1999 06:36:57 EST
Ian...
You make a valid point.... but for now I will address Jesse's counter-point. He states: "The challenge rules apply to particular titles. Each person has the right to challenge for a Barony once per cycle and to challenge for Overlord once per cycle. Nowhere in the rules does it say that exercising one of the rights precludes exercising the other."
This becomes a matter of how one chooses to read the words. The exact text of the rules governing this is: "Warlords may challenge the Overlord or Barons for there seats at anytime subject to the "Universal Terms of Challenge" but only once per cycle and with the following restrictions:" The rules then go on to mention the Warlord's Tourney and how
the Overlord gets his twentyfour day grace period. It also mentions how the winner of that Tourney's challenge is not subject to the "Right of Challenge" and there-for obviously does not count as their "once per cycle." It also goes on to describe how a challenge is made.
But, getting back to that exact wording... "Warlords may challenge the Overlord or Barons for there seats at anytime"... "but only once per cycle". When read one way, the rules seem to back up Jesse's assertation... but when read another way, the rules seem to
say that you only get one challenge per cycle, and it can be against the Overlord or a Baron.
However... look at the wording further... Once the Standings were posted, Damien Mortis was no longer a Warlord... he was a Baron... thus subject to the rules govering Barons.
I am not making a ruling on this... but I will state that I have validated the challenge. If the Supervisor wishes to overturn this, he will do so... but as far as I am concerned, the matter is in the hands of the Overlord.
Lastly, Lupton says/asks the following: "A Baron cannot be Loyal unless the Overlord agrees. Barons petition for loyalty. So, was Damien allowed to be Loyal?" This is incorrect, and yes Damien was allowed to be Loyal. The exact rules are: "3. Barons can either be aligned with the Overlord
or not and respectively titled Loyalist, Renegade or Neutral.
4. New Barons must proclaim their alignment upon accepting the ring. If not it is at the discretion of the Overlord."
The only place where petitioning for Loyalty comes in is: "4. Renegades may petition for Loyal or Neutral alignment pending approval of the Overlord. The Overlord may refuse the realignment for any given reason." However, strangely enough, a Neutral Baron does not have this option.
The only trick that the Overlord missed here was: "8. Can, at anytime, switch the alignment of a Baron with reason given in writing to all Barons and to the Standings Keeper provided a WoL record of 15 is maintained." Which means he could have aligned the Baron to Neutral alignment. The Baron could still challenge, but with less provocation. Further,
a Neutral Baron does not have the option that a Renegade Baron does of : "Renegades may appoint a warlord champion IF the Overlord elects to use the "Test of Worthiness" against them. The appointed champion may decline."
I hope we've all learned something from this.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
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From: elijaheagleecore@aol.com (ElijahEagleEcore)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 08:52:00 EST
::a note is left unsigned::
Elijah Basia-Uhr gained the title of Baron from the ranks of Warlord, and then immediately turned around and challenged for Overlord within the same season of the duels. Adonai Uziel has gained the title of Baron from the ranks of Warlord and then challenged for the title of Overlord within the same season of the duels. The rules have always been applied that a dueler can challenge for each title but once per season of the duels, though each
title once per season of the duels. So in effect as has happened within the history of the duels, a dueler can in fact challenge twice total for all the available titles combined of the duels per season.
Date: 31 Oct 1999 08:52:00 EST
::a note is left unsigned::
Elijah Basia-Uhr gained the title of Baron from the ranks of Warlord, and then immediately turned around and challenged for Overlord within the same season of the duels. Adonai Uziel has gained the title of Baron from the ranks of Warlord and then challenged for the title of Overlord within the same season of the duels. The rules have always been applied that a dueler can challenge for each title but once per season of the duels, though each
title once per season of the duels. So in effect as has happened within the history of the duels, a dueler can in fact challenge twice total for all the available titles combined of the duels per season.
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From: daedragonsblade@aol.com (Dae Dragonsblade)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 12:10:03 EST
Let me just say a couple of things:
1) I don't agree with what Cletus did by supporting a man who is clearly a moron and one who used a losing forfeit as a PW, but Cletus is my friend, I just disagree with a few things he does, but those are his actions, and like Billy Ray says, no one can do anything to stop him and talk is cheap.
2) I had an arguement with Avery last night, to me it would seem better if Avery dismantled this idiot himself, it would be more satisfactory and people couldn't say anything about "hiding" and what not. I also offered my service to Test this guy after I recommended Cassius to do it.
3) If this guy does win, well..I may change my plans regarding challenging for the Crown rather quickly, but I'm not too deeply moved to depose anyone now..
::scrawled in blazing blue ink::
~Daelin Dragonsblade~
~Regent King of Dragonia~
~Twice Baron of the Seventh and Current Baron of the Eleventh~
Date: 31 Oct 1999 12:10:03 EST
Let me just say a couple of things:
1) I don't agree with what Cletus did by supporting a man who is clearly a moron and one who used a losing forfeit as a PW, but Cletus is my friend, I just disagree with a few things he does, but those are his actions, and like Billy Ray says, no one can do anything to stop him and talk is cheap.
2) I had an arguement with Avery last night, to me it would seem better if Avery dismantled this idiot himself, it would be more satisfactory and people couldn't say anything about "hiding" and what not. I also offered my service to Test this guy after I recommended Cassius to do it.
3) If this guy does win, well..I may change my plans regarding challenging for the Crown rather quickly, but I'm not too deeply moved to depose anyone now..
::scrawled in blazing blue ink::
~Daelin Dragonsblade~
~Regent King of Dragonia~
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From: daedragonsblade@aol.com (Dae Dragonsblade)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 12:10:03 EST
Let me just say a couple of things:
1) I don't agree with what Cletus did by supporting a man who is clearly a moron and one who used a losing forfeit as a PW, but Cletus is my friend, I just disagree with a few things he does, but those are his actions, and like Billy Ray says, no one can do anything to stop him and talk is cheap.
2) I had an arguement with Avery last night, to me it would seem better if Avery dismantled this idiot himself, it would be more satisfactory and people couldn't say anything about "hiding" and what not. I also offered my service to Test this guy after I recommended Cassius to do it.
3) If this guy does win, well..I may change my plans regarding challenging for the Crown rather quickly, but I'm not too deeply moved to depose anyone now..
::scrawled in blazing blue ink::
~Daelin Dragonsblade~
~Regent King of Dragonia~
~Twice Baron of the Seventh and Current Baron of the Eleventh~
Date: 31 Oct 1999 12:10:03 EST
Let me just say a couple of things:
1) I don't agree with what Cletus did by supporting a man who is clearly a moron and one who used a losing forfeit as a PW, but Cletus is my friend, I just disagree with a few things he does, but those are his actions, and like Billy Ray says, no one can do anything to stop him and talk is cheap.
2) I had an arguement with Avery last night, to me it would seem better if Avery dismantled this idiot himself, it would be more satisfactory and people couldn't say anything about "hiding" and what not. I also offered my service to Test this guy after I recommended Cassius to do it.
3) If this guy does win, well..I may change my plans regarding challenging for the Crown rather quickly, but I'm not too deeply moved to depose anyone now..
::scrawled in blazing blue ink::
~Daelin Dragonsblade~
~Regent King of Dragonia~
~Twice Baron of the Seventh and Current Baron of the Eleventh~
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From: shivblade@aol.com (SHIV BLADE)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 13:26:44 EST
>The only trick that the Overlord missed here was: "8. Can, at anytime, switch
>the alignment of a Baron with reason given in writing to all Barons and to
>the Standings Keeper provided a WoL record of 15 is maintained." Which means
>he could have aligned the Baron to Neutral alignment. The Baron could still
>challenge, but with less provocation. Further,
>a Neutral Baron does not have the option that a Renegade Baron does of :
>"Renegades may appoint a warlord champion IF the Overlord elects to use the
>"Test of Worthiness" against them. The appointed champion may decline."
Drake,
All I will say is I have not overlooked this. I did what I felt was right in doing. It was a planned and conscience decision on my part to banish him to renegade. Mostly because he has played his cards, and it soon will be time to play mine.
Date: 31 Oct 1999 13:26:44 EST
>The only trick that the Overlord missed here was: "8. Can, at anytime, switch
>the alignment of a Baron with reason given in writing to all Barons and to
>the Standings Keeper provided a WoL record of 15 is maintained." Which means
>he could have aligned the Baron to Neutral alignment. The Baron could still
>challenge, but with less provocation. Further,
>a Neutral Baron does not have the option that a Renegade Baron does of :
>"Renegades may appoint a warlord champion IF the Overlord elects to use the
>"Test of Worthiness" against them. The appointed champion may decline."
Drake,
All I will say is I have not overlooked this. I did what I felt was right in doing. It was a planned and conscience decision on my part to banish him to renegade. Mostly because he has played his cards, and it soon will be time to play mine.
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 18:05:22 EST
Madame Silvertree,
Though thou art correct in most of your assertions, yet let us nae disregard the fact that the Lady Altara d'Poison seemed to hae disregarded Damien's first statement that he wouldst permit the Overlord to set his alignment and didst ask the new baron a second time to declare himself.
Perhaps the Lady Altara wast nae familiar with that portion of the rules of engagement which dost state ast thee hae noted that a new baron must proclaim his stance an' if'n the new baron dinna, tis left ta the discretion of ta Overlord, for in she didst seem to insist th' ta Baron make declaration the eve he didst garner ta ring.
Indeed, in the matter of the Baron making challenge ast a Renegade Baron, tis nae ruling by thee needed, Madame, for tis such be permitted by the rules of engagement.
Further Madame, ast thee hae also noted, the Overlord may indeed set the New Baron's alignment ast he chooses and indeed, may do so at anna time and at his pleasure.
Jonalyn Starfare
Date: 31 Oct 1999 18:05:22 EST
Madame Silvertree,
Though thou art correct in most of your assertions, yet let us nae disregard the fact that the Lady Altara d'Poison seemed to hae disregarded Damien's first statement that he wouldst permit the Overlord to set his alignment and didst ask the new baron a second time to declare himself.
Perhaps the Lady Altara wast nae familiar with that portion of the rules of engagement which dost state ast thee hae noted that a new baron must proclaim his stance an' if'n the new baron dinna, tis left ta the discretion of ta Overlord, for in she didst seem to insist th' ta Baron make declaration the eve he didst garner ta ring.
Indeed, in the matter of the Baron making challenge ast a Renegade Baron, tis nae ruling by thee needed, Madame, for tis such be permitted by the rules of engagement.
Further Madame, ast thee hae also noted, the Overlord may indeed set the New Baron's alignment ast he chooses and indeed, may do so at anna time and at his pleasure.
Jonalyn Starfare
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From: zamhulem@aol.com (Zamhulem)
Date: 31 Oct 1999 18:19:09 EST
Wow Billy for not caring you seemed to put enough effort into that explination.
Zamhulem protector of the meek and weilder of SoulBinder
Date: 31 Oct 1999 18:19:09 EST
Wow Billy for not caring you seemed to put enough effort into that explination.
Zamhulem protector of the meek and weilder of SoulBinder
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From: karnafexx@aol.com (Karnafexx)
Date: 01 Nov 1999 03:52:34 EST
Wow Billy for not caring you seemed to put enough effort into that explination.
Zamhulem protector of the meek and weilder of SoulBinder
Well Zam, I can't be everywhere at once and a few extra sentences now are worth it if it will shut a few of you up long enough for me to get ahold of you in person.
BRK
Date: 01 Nov 1999 03:52:34 EST
Wow Billy for not caring you seemed to put enough effort into that explination.
Zamhulem protector of the meek and weilder of SoulBinder
Well Zam, I can't be everywhere at once and a few extra sentences now are worth it if it will shut a few of you up long enough for me to get ahold of you in person.
BRK
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From: jeffoakenshield@aol.com (Jeff Oakenshield)
Date: 01 Nov 1999 08:44:02 EST
Did I miss somethin' again? What is all da talk about foolin' Avery?
Damien could challenge Avery no matter what Avery did, its simply not one of da Overlord's powers ta strip a Baron's right ta challenge. Only reason Avery banished Damien was it served as a flamboyant way fer him ta tell da jerk ta take a long walk off a short pier. Avery knows da intricacies of our sport better dan 90% of da people out dere, I highly doubt he was surprised in da least. Not ta mention he saw Damien as a possible challenger even
before he beat Cas. Anyhow, good luck Avery, and if ya need a champion Chaos is always in yer corner.
~J
Date: 01 Nov 1999 08:44:02 EST
Did I miss somethin' again? What is all da talk about foolin' Avery?
Damien could challenge Avery no matter what Avery did, its simply not one of da Overlord's powers ta strip a Baron's right ta challenge. Only reason Avery banished Damien was it served as a flamboyant way fer him ta tell da jerk ta take a long walk off a short pier. Avery knows da intricacies of our sport better dan 90% of da people out dere, I highly doubt he was surprised in da least. Not ta mention he saw Damien as a possible challenger even
before he beat Cas. Anyhow, good luck Avery, and if ya need a champion Chaos is always in yer corner.
~J