From: karenwilder@aol.com (Karen Wilder)
Date: 16 Jul 2001 23:03:40 EDT
Lord Elijah...
Ifin the Overlord be nothing but "the current King of the Hill", then why were ye jumping up and complaining about me challenging, based on what ye thought about me nae being around much?
Ifin the Overlord be nothing but "a symbolic figurehead" and "a mantle for bragging rights to say at this moment in time you are the best of the best." Then why do it matter to ye at all who be the Overlord? Much less how they be connected to the current "pulse" of the Duels?
In truth, ifin ye accept the Loyalty of another, then ye must accept that others will see that person's actions reflected upon ye.
Ifin ye cannae be sure that the actions of those who's Loyalty ye accept will match yer beliefs, then ye must question the reasons fer accepting their Loyalty.
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From: elijahbasiauhr@aol.com (Elijah Basia Uhr)
Date: 17 Jul 2001 12:28:23 EDT
Baroness Wilder,
Just because I said the Overlord is nothing more than the current King of the Hill, does not mean that conflicts with my idea of who should or should not be worthy to challenge to be the next King of the Hill. For one, I think you need to come out and play on the hill more often than not, in which case, you barely do any to try and justify you've been active enough lately. My words and views all flow together no matter how much you try to
pick them apart and justify yourself Baroness.
"We'll save Gaia with Love" ~ Final Fantasy moral
"Rest in Reason, Move in Passion"
~Elijah Basia-Uhr~
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Warlord of Swords
Date: 17 Jul 2001 12:28:23 EDT
Baroness Wilder,
Just because I said the Overlord is nothing more than the current King of the Hill, does not mean that conflicts with my idea of who should or should not be worthy to challenge to be the next King of the Hill. For one, I think you need to come out and play on the hill more often than not, in which case, you barely do any to try and justify you've been active enough lately. My words and views all flow together no matter how much you try to
pick them apart and justify yourself Baroness.
"We'll save Gaia with Love" ~ Final Fantasy moral
"Rest in Reason, Move in Passion"
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From: charliejericho@aol.com (Charlie Jericho)
Date: 17 Jul 2001 14:14:41 EDT
"For one, I think you need to come out and play on the hill more often than not, in which case, you barely do any to try and justify you've been active enough lately."
I'm not a fan of Karen's. But why go after her for something that isn't true when there are a handful of other reasons to dislike her?
I've seen her quite a bit during my shift on Friday nights and I believe I've seen her once or twice when I've filled in on Thursday nights.
If we're playing "tar and feather the absent barons", there are better candidates.
Charlie
Date: 17 Jul 2001 14:14:41 EDT
"For one, I think you need to come out and play on the hill more often than not, in which case, you barely do any to try and justify you've been active enough lately."
I'm not a fan of Karen's. But why go after her for something that isn't true when there are a handful of other reasons to dislike her?
I've seen her quite a bit during my shift on Friday nights and I believe I've seen her once or twice when I've filled in on Thursday nights.
If we're playing "tar and feather the absent barons", there are better candidates.
Charlie
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 17 Jul 2001 17:20:33 EDT
Your Grace
One need but consider your past much less than accurate presentation of so called "facts" to be able to make a reasonable presumption that ast e'er you are talking through your helm.
JNS
Date: 17 Jul 2001 17:20:33 EDT
Your Grace
One need but consider your past much less than accurate presentation of so called "facts" to be able to make a reasonable presumption that ast e'er you are talking through your helm.
JNS
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From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 17 Jul 2001 19:09:14 EDT
>One need but consider your past much less than accurate presentation of so
>called "facts" to be able to make a reasonable presumption that ast e'er you
>are talking through your helm.
>
Actually, my facts are generally quite reliable. Since most of my conclusions are based on all the available facts, I have no need to alter or manipulate anything. Now, some people who base their conclusions upon personal grudges might find a need to manipulate facts in order to throw potshots at those they dislike. I have never felt this need, nor do I even really dislike very many people all that intensely.
My only real concern, here, is getting people interested in and aware of events around them. I would like to see an end to what appears to be a general state of apathy. To that end, I welcome your rather juvenile attempt to goad me. Whatever else one may say, you are almost never apathetic.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
Date: 17 Jul 2001 19:09:14 EDT
>One need but consider your past much less than accurate presentation of so
>called "facts" to be able to make a reasonable presumption that ast e'er you
>are talking through your helm.
>
Actually, my facts are generally quite reliable. Since most of my conclusions are based on all the available facts, I have no need to alter or manipulate anything. Now, some people who base their conclusions upon personal grudges might find a need to manipulate facts in order to throw potshots at those they dislike. I have never felt this need, nor do I even really dislike very many people all that intensely.
My only real concern, here, is getting people interested in and aware of events around them. I would like to see an end to what appears to be a general state of apathy. To that end, I welcome your rather juvenile attempt to goad me. Whatever else one may say, you are almost never apathetic.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
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From: elijahbasiauhr@aol.com (Elijah Basia Uhr)
Date: 18 Jul 2001 03:59:17 EDT
Baroness Wilder only very recently became more active in the rings. She didn't start becoming more active till I called her out on it a couple months ago. I applaud the fact the she is more active now as a Baron, but I don't feel she has been active enough long enough to justify making a run for the
mantle is all I am saying.
Date: 18 Jul 2001 03:59:17 EDT
Baroness Wilder only very recently became more active in the rings. She didn't start becoming more active till I called her out on it a couple months ago. I applaud the fact the she is more active now as a Baron, but I don't feel she has been active enough long enough to justify making a run for the
mantle is all I am saying.
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From: charliejericho@aol.com (Charlie Jericho)
Date: 18 Jul 2001 10:33:12 EDT
"She didn't start becoming more active till I called her out on it a couple months ago. I applaud the fact the she is more active now as a Baron, but I don't feel she has been active enough long enough to justify making a run for the mantle is all I am saying."
It's killing me to keep sticking up for Karen but I hate illogical arguments and you're awfully good at providing those.
Your point is that she hasn't been active long enough. Well, how long does she have to be active consistently before she should challenge? A year, two years? I think a couple months is exactly on target. It's not like she's completely new to the sport.
There wasn't a great, extended absence. There was a period of two months or so when she was a bit too busy to duel. Who cares? In the span of time that she's been here, is a two and a half month absence really that big of a deal? She's back now. She duels a lot more than you or most of the barons.
So let's just drop this and come out on Sunday to watch Cletus beat the chick down.
Charlie
Date: 18 Jul 2001 10:33:12 EDT
"She didn't start becoming more active till I called her out on it a couple months ago. I applaud the fact the she is more active now as a Baron, but I don't feel she has been active enough long enough to justify making a run for the mantle is all I am saying."
It's killing me to keep sticking up for Karen but I hate illogical arguments and you're awfully good at providing those.
Your point is that she hasn't been active long enough. Well, how long does she have to be active consistently before she should challenge? A year, two years? I think a couple months is exactly on target. It's not like she's completely new to the sport.
There wasn't a great, extended absence. There was a period of two months or so when she was a bit too busy to duel. Who cares? In the span of time that she's been here, is a two and a half month absence really that big of a deal? She's back now. She duels a lot more than you or most of the barons.
So let's just drop this and come out on Sunday to watch Cletus beat the chick down.
Charlie
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From: elijahbasiauhr@aol.com (Elijah Basia Uhr)
Date: 18 Jul 2001 12:19:53 EDT
Charlie,
Actually, when I first called her out on her lack of activity in being a Baron back in May, she had dueled once in February to keep active that cycle, and the last time she had dueled before that was the middle of October. So in a period of 7 months she dueled exactly once while holding title. To me, I think anyone who takes atleast a cycle or more of inactivity should wait at least another full cycle, maybe a bit into a second cycle before
challenging again for another title. It's something I tried to instill on my students was not to be in a rush to get a title, prove yourself first, establish yourself first. Give the community time to get to know you and understand their perspective so they know how to align. While many oldtimers may know Baroness Wilder, many newer don't so as they see it, a noboby from out of no where is coming for a title they have been working towards for
awhile. It's not as if Baroness Wilder is required to prove herself in order to challenge, one of the benefits of already being a Baroness when challenging for Overlord. She may not be the same worthwhile dueler she was when she attainted her title many many months ago and then failed to do anything with it. Baroness Wilder is an example of exactly the wrong type of title holder that this sport needs.
"We'll save Gaia with Love" ~ Final Fantasy moral
"Rest in Reason, Move in Passion"
~Elijah Basia-Uhr~
Welsh Dragon Templar
Warlord of Swords
Date: 18 Jul 2001 12:19:53 EDT
Charlie,
Actually, when I first called her out on her lack of activity in being a Baron back in May, she had dueled once in February to keep active that cycle, and the last time she had dueled before that was the middle of October. So in a period of 7 months she dueled exactly once while holding title. To me, I think anyone who takes atleast a cycle or more of inactivity should wait at least another full cycle, maybe a bit into a second cycle before
challenging again for another title. It's something I tried to instill on my students was not to be in a rush to get a title, prove yourself first, establish yourself first. Give the community time to get to know you and understand their perspective so they know how to align. While many oldtimers may know Baroness Wilder, many newer don't so as they see it, a noboby from out of no where is coming for a title they have been working towards for
awhile. It's not as if Baroness Wilder is required to prove herself in order to challenge, one of the benefits of already being a Baroness when challenging for Overlord. She may not be the same worthwhile dueler she was when she attainted her title many many months ago and then failed to do anything with it. Baroness Wilder is an example of exactly the wrong type of title holder that this sport needs.
"We'll save Gaia with Love" ~ Final Fantasy moral
"Rest in Reason, Move in Passion"
~Elijah Basia-Uhr~
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From: sgtsneggle@aol.com (SgtSneggle)
Date: 18 Jul 2001 21:22:58 EDT
Elijah,
I am lookin forward to the time when I make me run at the Overlord/Overlady. I expect yer will have a lot to say about that. Or maybe yer will suffer in silence. Either way it will make me happy.
Yer should know by now that what I set me mind to I will get and the fun part is yer can do nothin about it.
I have done me time and payed me dues and its time for me to start movin again. Me next step is a Baron's ring.
Sgt Sneggle
Date: 18 Jul 2001 21:22:58 EDT
Elijah,
I am lookin forward to the time when I make me run at the Overlord/Overlady. I expect yer will have a lot to say about that. Or maybe yer will suffer in silence. Either way it will make me happy.
Yer should know by now that what I set me mind to I will get and the fun part is yer can do nothin about it.
I have done me time and payed me dues and its time for me to start movin again. Me next step is a Baron's ring.
Sgt Sneggle
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From: sgtsneggle@aol.com (SgtSneggle)
Date: 18 Jul 2001 21:25:45 EDT
Karen,
I wish yer success in yer battle to come. I hope that once yer win yer stay on a bit and let the new ones actually see an Overlord on a regular schedule.
Sgt Sneggle
Date: 18 Jul 2001 21:25:45 EDT
Karen,
I wish yer success in yer battle to come. I hope that once yer win yer stay on a bit and let the new ones actually see an Overlord on a regular schedule.
Sgt Sneggle
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From: xvevan@aol.com (XvEvan)
Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:36:35 EDT
Could you all find something better to talk about?
-Evan Rush Rynth
Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:36:35 EDT
Could you all find something better to talk about?
-Evan Rush Rynth
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From: karenwilder@aol.com (Karen Wilder)
Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:53:14 EDT
Lord Elijah.
I dunno, but I be thinking thet yer mistaken about how much I's been dueling lately.
Except fer one or two weeks, I's been in the Arena every week since I were challenged by Warlord Corackshnea back in March.
And it weren't ye thet challenged me tae be around more often, it were Master Gyrlington and Warlord MacDonnaugh, back in March.
On a bit o' a tangent. I see thet Baron Rynth be about and can post tae the board. Would ye care tae answer the charges set afor ye?
Lady Karen Wilder
Knight Templar
Renegade Baroness of the Fourth.
Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:53:14 EDT
Lord Elijah.
I dunno, but I be thinking thet yer mistaken about how much I's been dueling lately.
Except fer one or two weeks, I's been in the Arena every week since I were challenged by Warlord Corackshnea back in March.
And it weren't ye thet challenged me tae be around more often, it were Master Gyrlington and Warlord MacDonnaugh, back in March.
On a bit o' a tangent. I see thet Baron Rynth be about and can post tae the board. Would ye care tae answer the charges set afor ye?
Lady Karen Wilder
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From: cassiusmaxim@aol.com (Cassius Maxim)
Date: 19 Jul 2001 09:40:03 EDT
"Could you all find something better to talk about?
-Evan Rush Rynth"
We certainly can...
Like why haven't you answered these charges, or Percy's challenge?
Cassius Gaius Maximius
Writing his own thinly veiled threats since 19 B.C.E.
Date: 19 Jul 2001 09:40:03 EDT
"Could you all find something better to talk about?
-Evan Rush Rynth"
We certainly can...
Like why haven't you answered these charges, or Percy's challenge?
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From: karenwilder@aol.com (Karen Wilder)
Date: 20 Jul 2001 00:56:03 EDT
After receiving notice from the Standings Keeper thet the Warlord were in default on this challenge, I wrote the following letter.
Members of the Council, Warlord, Officials.
I do again cast my vote thet the Baron be stripped of the Ring.
I do again cast my vote thet the Warlord face a Champion, unless he be wishin' tae withdraw his challenge right now.
I do again cast my vote thet Baron Havoick be thet Champion, given thet he be the most active of the Council.
I do nae wish tae see a Ring sit vacant fer two months, but ifin the Warlord withdraws his challenge after a Champion be apointed, then there don't be a way tae avoid thet.
Lady Karen Wilder
Knight Templar
Renegade Baroness of the Fourth.
Date: 20 Jul 2001 00:56:03 EDT
After receiving notice from the Standings Keeper thet the Warlord were in default on this challenge, I wrote the following letter.
Members of the Council, Warlord, Officials.
I do again cast my vote thet the Baron be stripped of the Ring.
I do again cast my vote thet the Warlord face a Champion, unless he be wishin' tae withdraw his challenge right now.
I do again cast my vote thet Baron Havoick be thet Champion, given thet he be the most active of the Council.
I do nae wish tae see a Ring sit vacant fer two months, but ifin the Warlord withdraws his challenge after a Champion be apointed, then there don't be a way tae avoid thet.
Lady Karen Wilder
Knight Templar
Renegade Baroness of the Fourth.