Concerning Methous

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From: rdigolden@aol.com (RDI Golden)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 00:36:06 EDT

Duelers,

Attached is a copy of a letter I recently sent to Warlord Methous and the Council of Barons. If anyone has questions or comments about this situation, please feel free to send them my way.

Golden

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Warlord Methous,

I am certain you were expecting this letter from me. I will try to be brief, but please forgive any rambling I may go on.

You have committed what I consider to be a grievious injustice. In my eyes, the Baron Rings are the most tangible items of the illustrious history of the Duel of Swords that are in existence. Many great men and women before us have worn them, and they will continue to be tokens of greatness and respect. Your actions in the destruction of the Eighth Baron's Ring are as far from those ideals as I can imagine. And so, you wlil be punished for your
actions.

I have heard many suggestions, from those on the Council to commoners and all those in between. Many call out for your outright banishment from the dueling rings permanently. That was never something I've considered, just to let you know.

You have shown great disrespect and apathy towards these sacred Baron's Rings. The history of the Eighth Ring will forever be marred with your actions. And thus, I see it only fitting to ensure that you do not have the opportunity to repeat your deeds. It is my hope that you will learn a valuable lesson from this punishment, and if you ever gain the chance to challenge for a title again, you keep it in mind. That said, the terms of your
punishment are as follows:

Starting today, August 23, and lasting for a period of approximately three months, Methous will not be given the opportunity to challenge for a title, be that Baron or Overlord. This banishment from challenging will last until the end of the next cycle, on or about November 30. During those three months, any victories Methous obtains against those of Warlord rank or higher will not be considered peer wins. This does not hold true for those
Warlords who defeat him, as those will be considered peer wins. Methous may retain his rank of Warlord, but cannot advance beyond that. After the three months have expired, which will be on or about November 30, he will be subjected to a test. If he passes this test, he will once again be able to garner peer wins and challenge for a title.
To elaborate on this test, it will be a one match duel. The opponent will be one selected by the Council of Barons and those members that it consists of at that time. Two to three weeks before November 30, these Barons will gather and elect a Champion for Methous to face, of any rank of their choosing. On a side note to the Barons, it may be sweet justice to allow the holder of the Eighth Ring at that time to face Methous in this test...just a
suggestion. If Methous defeats the Champion, then, as stated, he can begin garnering peer wins and challenge at his leisure. If however, the Champion is successful, then Methous will once more fall under the banishment of not being able to challenge, although he may begin accumulating peer wins. In this latter scenario, Methous must wait three more months, another cycle, before facing another test and another Council appointed Champion. These
tests will happen in three month intervals at the end of cycles until Methous wins one of these matches and lifts the ban from himself.
On a final note, Methous may enter Warlord Tournaments during this time of punishment, but is not eligible to claim any prizes, no matter what place he finishes in.

I will wait to hear back from any concerned parties and correct any errors or answer any questions before posting this declaration. I have no problems with those receiving this missive to speak to others about it, I simply wish to make sure that the terms of punishment are clear before posting for all to see. I await any replies.

Golden Evermeadow
Duel of Swords Supervisor

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From: joaknshld@aol.com (J Oaknshld)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 02:11:59 EDT

Goldendust Evermeadow,

I have a simple query. Methous' destruction of a baronial ring which will last ferever is punished by 3 months without a challenge?

Hell, I doubt he could get da necessary 10 peer wins inside of 3 months, so his going without a ring fer 3 months is hardly strict. Heck, lets destroy all 12, at worst da offender will be out of a barons title fer a year.


Seriously distraught,

~J

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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 04:13:40 EDT

Jeff...

I think you missed what happens at the end of the next cycle. First of all, he doesn't get to garner any peer wins between now and then. Secondly, if he fails to defeat a champion appointed by the Council, he cannot challenge for all of the cycle following. Then, assuming he's still trying... six months down the road at the end of that cycle, he must duel a champion appointed by the Council. If he fails to win that duel, he cannot
challenge for the cycle following... And so on into prepetuity, until he defeats whichever champion is appointed by the Council.
As for him not getting the required ten peer wins inside of three months... he's done it twice now. He's dropped in rank, then made it back and challenged again.
I think this punishment is very fitting, as it also allows the Council some measure of satisfaction.
If, by some twist of fate, I am on the Council when the time comes to pick a champion, I will suggest either the holder of the 6th at that time, or a previous holder of the 6th... like yourself, for example.


Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.

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From: sidarthae@aol.com (Sidartha E)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 04:15:29 EDT

Jeff~

Perhaps you could suggest a better punishment, within the letter of the laws of this city?

The thing you do not seem to be remembering is, should we place the right Barons against him, he may *never* be able to hold title again. Or at least for a long, long time.

~Sidartha Elgarette

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From: lordgunthr@aol.com (LordGunthr)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 04:36:28 EDT

::a soft sigh, a frown even, mumbling softly to himself as he steps away::
"He shall never face a champion anyhow.., God take pity on his soul.."

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From: joaknshld@aol.com (J Oaknshld)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 06:05:11 EDT

Sidartha,

You make a reasonable request, so I will give you a reasonable reply. Since Goldendust will not consider a lifetime ban from DoS, but does want ta ensure Methous never destroys another ring, its a simple solution. Methous can never again hold a barony in DoS. Lord knows da title of Warlord has been downplayed fer so many years, maybe Methous would be da first since Jake Thrash ta remain content as a warlord ferever. I suppose he could also
challenge fer Overlord, however I'd ban him from dat right too.

But since he marred da baronial rings ferever, he should never be allowed ta wear one again, ***GUARENTEED***.


~J

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From: taylara@aol.com (Taylara)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 10:50:05 EDT

> If, by some twist of fate, I am on the Council when the time comes to pick
>a champion, I will suggest either the holder of the 6th at that time, or a
>previous holder of the 6th... like yourself, for example.

I could 'ave sworn the Jeff be graced with wearin' da 8th Ring, Drake.
~Tay~

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From: sidarthae@aol.com (Sidartha E)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 11:23:57 EDT

Jeff~

I believe that Golden did what he could do. I don't see how he can legally prevent someone from attaining a certain rank while not banishing him. Despite our high asperations, the very point of this Sport from a technical standpoint is attaining rank. What Golden did was make sure it's very very difficult for Meth to attain rank, while still keeping the competition of the Sport intact.

~Sid

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From: morganfay@aol.com (MorganFay)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 12:02:19 EDT

"Despite our high asperations, the very point of this Sport from a technical standpoint is attaining rank. "

Then Methous has accomplished that seeing as the highest rank is Warlord.

In my opinion, Methous showed complete disregard and disrespect toward a title, and as such, should never have a right to challenge for title again.

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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 13:16:47 EDT

> If, by some twist of fate, I am on the Council when the time comes to pick
>>a champion, I will suggest either the holder of the 6th at that time, or a
>>previous holder of the 6th... like yourself, for example.
>
>I could 'ave sworn the Jeff be graced with wearin' da 8th Ring, Drake.
>~Tay~
>


Tay,

Drake's probably still in need of sleep. I'm certain she meant the 8th ring. ::winking face drawn here:: ;)

These things happen.

*G*

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From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 13:54:51 EDT

I am sure this is very unusual, but I have to agree with Jeff and Morgan. I don't think that Methous should *ever* be allowed to challenge for any title again. I would say that the best way to do it is to ban him from accumulating peer wins, as Golden has already done for a three month period. I know, personally, that I wouldn't have wanted him to hold a title *before* this whole mess occurred, and I would say that now
there is an even better reason to ban him.
On a slightly different note, I am very glad to see this example of leadership from the Supervisor. I may disagree with the decision, to some extent, but I am glad to see an active role being visibly taken. It seems, lately, that too many official statements have been made by other staff members. It is good to see the Supervisor's writings on the board.



Percy

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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 14:01:51 EDT

Golden did a good job finding a fair decision for this matter. Meth has to at least prove his skill in the ring in order to be allowed to challenge. Like Sid said, if you find the right champion, we have nothing to worry about.

Or maybe we can stick with the universal punishment of mistakes, and just fine him and impose a censure on his record? Hell, maybe he can pay for the repair of the ring and the duelists of the future will realize what we had to endure with that punishment. Seems like a better use than last time.



Var Medici-Giovanni

Proud Father, Proud Husband

Phantom Scots Captain

Baron of the Tenth

Sorcerer of DoM

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From: sircassius@aol.com (SirCassius)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 15:51:14 EDT

I believe that Goldendust did a good job of selecting a punishment, for I know it is not in his nature to be overly strict. However, I too would readily agree with Jeff on this matter. I would have Methous banned from challenging, forever, not only because he disgraced the ring, and all of DoS for that matter, but because he has shown time and time again that
he wont change. Even if he does beat the champion, do you think that will make him better, more mature perhaps? Never, he looks at all of this like a personal attack on him, an unfair attack. Therefore, due to his obstanance, and inability to learn, I would never want Methous in a position of authority, such as a barony or God forbid an Overlordship. He does not have the maturity to be placed, ever in a position that requires any type of respect.
I have defended Methous ever since he arrived at this sport. I dont regret it, but it does seem as though I was wrong.

Caius Cassius
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Of the Pride Family,
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Cassius

Warlord and once
Baron of DoS

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From: joaknshld@aol.com (J Oaknshld)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 16:13:07 EDT

What Golden did was make sure it's very very difficult for Meth to attain rank, while still keeping the competition of the Sport intact.

Sid, Methous only has ta beat one person in one duel. It is very easy fer Methous to attain rank in da future, provided he wins one duel. One duel is just as easy ta win as it is ta lose, against *anyone*. Also, DoS would remain in tact just fine without Methous as a Baron. In fact, it might set da standard fer future miscreants dat if ya do somethin' ta hurt DoS, yer gonna pay.

Meth has to at least prove his skill in the ring in order to be allowed to challenge. Like Sid said, if you find the right champion, we have nothing to worry about.

Var, its not Methous' skill I am calling inta question. It's his honor. He earned his ring once, his skill does not need testing, its his honor which needs it. As Cassius said, should he pass da test, we have done nothing ta teach or correct Methous nor anyone else who would consider destroying a baronial ring in DoS.


~J

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From: cyggnimoi@aol.com (Cyg Gnimoi)
Date: 27 Aug 1999 17:39:59 EDT

>> Or maybe we can stick with the universal punishment of mistakes, and just fine him and impose a censure on his record? Hell, maybe he can pay for the repair of the ring and the duelists of the future will realize what we had to endure with that punishment. Seems like a better use than last
time.<<

Well said Var. A fine idea.


Cyg