From: xaviertn@aol.com (XavierTN)
Date: 03 Oct 1999 23:59:37 EDT
Dear persona of the duel of sword's community,
I pen this message with a growing distraught. The enjoyment and growing love I have gained for these halls is being pushed aside with evenings filled with controversy. Patrons spewing harsh words which cause avoidable altercations. I myself opt to hold my tongue, only speak to those few I have come to hold respect for. I find that when one is silent you hear twice as much. Though now I feel I must speak up, perhaps give those who are always speaking
a chance to listen.
Evenings of challenge matches, two combatants throwing their all against one another. Through the sweat, blood, and tears, emerges a victor. Each combatant holding nothing back, no regrets. Honor and self satisfaction worth more than a title. Yes, I enjoy reading of these once glorious times, left pondering to myself of when the title became a higher prize than self satisfaction. My only image of these evenings left in the papers I find
myself reading unlimited times. Though I only now take into full view the vast difference from what was written long ago, to present day. Present day -- now that is something I have actually witnessed, been a part of, no matter how minute. Just this evening I witnessed a man who proved himself in the latest warlords tournament, then again in the prize he claimed, a challenge to the present overlord. I looked upon the two in the duel with great envy,
two giants striving to best the other. Then as the duel ended realization set in. Not one, but two barons stated their intent to challenge the new overlord. No "job well done" spoken, or at least only in a minimal amount. Neither truly took it upon themselves to congratulate the other. Then as my fantasy world began to fade I swept my eyes throughout the annex, picturing how it once was, or at least from what I have heard and read. The room packed
full, a special electricity beaming through out the cheery crowd. Sure there were the ignorant, there always will be, but even they couldn't take anything away from the special evening's event. As I continued to sweep my eyes about I saw for my own self what has become of it now. Arguing superseding the match. The crowd thin, many tables left empty, the bar left mostly empty as well. Then the politics. Barons, regardless if it was in jest or not, as
I cannot fully say, claiming their chance to challenge. The newest overlord had not stepped from the ring and already his fate looked grim. For what I ask? Because he isn't well known, because he doesn't have a few hundred victories sealed. Because he isn't perfect......... In all honesty I cannot say, however what I do know is the very same few I have seen criticizing a man for challenging a friend of theirs, or for challenging so swiftly after a
defense, would stoop to the lowest level of hypocrisy and fall into the shoes of those they speak are ruining the sport. What else I know is that by attacking a person, or a group, rather than attacking the problem is an endless spiral, which in the end leads to a pitiful place where all that is spoken are stories of long past, and how honorable everything once was. And you know what? I am beginning to hear the stories on a more regular basis, I am
beginning to hear of the lack of honor left in these halls. So let me ask you this,
Is it worth it? Is a title worth it? What would you sacrifice for something you love? I end you with this, quite the famous motto which I am sure you have all heard, a motto so simple it is often ignored: "If we all do a little we can do a lot"
A Concerned Patron,
Xavier Ta'main
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From: jeffoakenshield@aol.com (Jeff Oakenshield)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 02:30:29 EDT
Xavier,
As a former title holder, somethin' occured ta me as I read yer missive. Yer missive stands upon da premise dat challengin' someone with a newly acquired title is in bad taste or harmful ta da sport. It is dis point, sir, I wish ta debate with ya.
Consider how a title is won, in combat. Consider what benefits a title brings: visible proof of one's superior talent required ta attain such a rank ((extra fancies)), ability ta influence future duels in DoS ((intercession)), and da right ta partake in future challenges of DoS. If ya look closely sir, most of what being a title holder is revolves around da sport of DoS. Even da politics which are so much a part of being a title holder fall back
on da sport in da end. Everythin' in DoS leads one back ta da root of what created our basement arena; duelin'.
I argue duelin' is an essential aspect of being a title holder, and I assume when one aspires ta gainin' a title he does so believin' duelin' will be required, both in attainin' his desired titled and defending it. If ya will grant me all of my presumptions, Xavier, I find fault in yer argument dat pressing immediate challenge is a bad occurrance fer our sport. Title holders know beforehand what da ranks of Overlord and Baron entail. It is not a
surprise dat da possibilty of being challenged and losing exists. Rare is it a title holder receives challenge and is shocked such a challenge is allowed ta exist.
Also, from personal experience, I will tell ya Xavier dat many a Overlord and Baron base da success of a reign not so much on length but number of defenses. Anyone can remain unchallenged fer years on end, but only a few can defend deir title numerous times ta last dat long. Most recently I would cite Elijah's personal opinion of a preference fer number of challenges over number of months as a baron. It is a more common view dan ya give credit
fer. While one might enjoy a newly accomplished rank, I would suspect one would enjoy more being respected fer being able ta defend said rank. I, fer one, would much prefer ta be an Overlord respected fer many defenses dan an Overlord ferever with no defenses.
My final argument will refer us back ta whom many believe is da greatest Overlord, and quite possibly greatest dueler of all time; Dalamar Ar'Daumon. Had Dalamar never been challenged in his two years as Overlord, would anyone believe him as great? I highly doubt anyone believes reignin' fer two years without a single defense would be a great feat.
~J
Date: 04 Oct 1999 02:30:29 EDT
Xavier,
As a former title holder, somethin' occured ta me as I read yer missive. Yer missive stands upon da premise dat challengin' someone with a newly acquired title is in bad taste or harmful ta da sport. It is dis point, sir, I wish ta debate with ya.
Consider how a title is won, in combat. Consider what benefits a title brings: visible proof of one's superior talent required ta attain such a rank ((extra fancies)), ability ta influence future duels in DoS ((intercession)), and da right ta partake in future challenges of DoS. If ya look closely sir, most of what being a title holder is revolves around da sport of DoS. Even da politics which are so much a part of being a title holder fall back
on da sport in da end. Everythin' in DoS leads one back ta da root of what created our basement arena; duelin'.
I argue duelin' is an essential aspect of being a title holder, and I assume when one aspires ta gainin' a title he does so believin' duelin' will be required, both in attainin' his desired titled and defending it. If ya will grant me all of my presumptions, Xavier, I find fault in yer argument dat pressing immediate challenge is a bad occurrance fer our sport. Title holders know beforehand what da ranks of Overlord and Baron entail. It is not a
surprise dat da possibilty of being challenged and losing exists. Rare is it a title holder receives challenge and is shocked such a challenge is allowed ta exist.
Also, from personal experience, I will tell ya Xavier dat many a Overlord and Baron base da success of a reign not so much on length but number of defenses. Anyone can remain unchallenged fer years on end, but only a few can defend deir title numerous times ta last dat long. Most recently I would cite Elijah's personal opinion of a preference fer number of challenges over number of months as a baron. It is a more common view dan ya give credit
fer. While one might enjoy a newly accomplished rank, I would suspect one would enjoy more being respected fer being able ta defend said rank. I, fer one, would much prefer ta be an Overlord respected fer many defenses dan an Overlord ferever with no defenses.
My final argument will refer us back ta whom many believe is da greatest Overlord, and quite possibly greatest dueler of all time; Dalamar Ar'Daumon. Had Dalamar never been challenged in his two years as Overlord, would anyone believe him as great? I highly doubt anyone believes reignin' fer two years without a single defense would be a great feat.
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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 03:57:07 EDT
M'lord Ta'main.
You ask if a Title is worth something... if the word Honor is worth something...
This is not a question you can ask others, it is a question you must ask of yourself.
As for the rest, I can only say that I wish you would have attended the challenge duel between Galin and G'nort that took place a few days ago.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
Date: 04 Oct 1999 03:57:07 EDT
M'lord Ta'main.
You ask if a Title is worth something... if the word Honor is worth something...
This is not a question you can ask others, it is a question you must ask of yourself.
As for the rest, I can only say that I wish you would have attended the challenge duel between Galin and G'nort that took place a few days ago.
Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.
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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 11:36:29 EDT
Xavier~
Aye, indeed, Long proved his *skill* in the Tourney and the Challenge, but is that all that's needed? Is *skill* all that's required nowadays for someone to be considered great enough to require that noone challenge him? I should hope *not*.
I don't know about anyone else, but I've seen the man that I shudder to call Overlord a total of *twice* in at *least* six months. The last Tourney and last evening's Challenge. This is also after he said that he would be try to be around more often. Never, *ever* before have I ever seen Barons, not even Warlords but *Barons* for the gods' sake, have to step up to the Overlord, the Supreme Dueler of our sport, and *introduce* themselves to him.
There's only thirteen, how hard is it to at least come in one weekend and *learn* them before becoming Overlord?
You may think that skill alone should be cause for nobody challenging the Overlord on the first night, but I certainly don't.
~Sidartha Elgarette
Date: 04 Oct 1999 11:36:29 EDT
Xavier~
Aye, indeed, Long proved his *skill* in the Tourney and the Challenge, but is that all that's needed? Is *skill* all that's required nowadays for someone to be considered great enough to require that noone challenge him? I should hope *not*.
I don't know about anyone else, but I've seen the man that I shudder to call Overlord a total of *twice* in at *least* six months. The last Tourney and last evening's Challenge. This is also after he said that he would be try to be around more often. Never, *ever* before have I ever seen Barons, not even Warlords but *Barons* for the gods' sake, have to step up to the Overlord, the Supreme Dueler of our sport, and *introduce* themselves to him.
There's only thirteen, how hard is it to at least come in one weekend and *learn* them before becoming Overlord?
You may think that skill alone should be cause for nobody challenging the Overlord on the first night, but I certainly don't.
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From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 16:18:54 EDT
Hey Sid, how about a Baron having to introduce himself to the Overlord, then stand there, his hand out for shaking, for 5 minutes while the Overlord totally preoccupies himself?
Xavier, as far as the new Overlord's skill being a reason not to challenge goes, Long placed sixth in the Tournament. Were it not for the slew of vacant rings this particular time, he wouldn't have even come close to earning the title shot. In a nutshell, did he fight his way to the top for his spot? No, he got it by default because Seamus, Elijah,myself,Cletus, and Marius all decided we'd rather be Barons.
Cas-Baron,Centurion,Loving husband
Date: 04 Oct 1999 16:18:54 EDT
Hey Sid, how about a Baron having to introduce himself to the Overlord, then stand there, his hand out for shaking, for 5 minutes while the Overlord totally preoccupies himself?
Xavier, as far as the new Overlord's skill being a reason not to challenge goes, Long placed sixth in the Tournament. Were it not for the slew of vacant rings this particular time, he wouldn't have even come close to earning the title shot. In a nutshell, did he fight his way to the top for his spot? No, he got it by default because Seamus, Elijah,myself,Cletus, and Marius all decided we'd rather be Barons.
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From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 17:05:45 EDT
>In a nutshell, did he fight his way to the top for his spot? No, he got it by
>default because Seamus, Elijah,myself,Cletus, and Marius all decided we'd
>rather be Barons.
Well Gaius, I have to ask you this: how easy is it to even place 6th? I know the closest I have ever come is somewhere between 7th and 10th in my very first tourney, and I have been eliminated rather quickly in all those since. How many prizes have you won in Tourneys yourself?
I am not trying to belittle you, merely suggesting that perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to speak deprecatingly of the skill of others. I don't know our new Overlord, and I don't really have an opinion of him as yet. However, I am willing to hazard a guess that at least one or two of the five prize winners who took rings did so because they would rather have the sure prize than the problematic challenge.
I do have to say that I don't think Long is much of a presence in the Arena. Then again, however, neither am I lately. So I don't know that I should be the one to cast stones.
All that really needs to be said of his skill, however, is this: how easy has it been, in the past, for challengers to take a title away from Magnus in a challenge match?
I do have mixed feelings about quick challenges. Not so much a matter of respect for skill as common courtesy. A duel can be grueling. In my opinion, there is something to be said for waiting a few days, or even a week, before pressing challenge after a match is completed. Simply as a courtesy to the office of Overlord, if not the holder of the title.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Captain, Rising Stars
The White Duke
Date: 04 Oct 1999 17:05:45 EDT
>In a nutshell, did he fight his way to the top for his spot? No, he got it by
>default because Seamus, Elijah,myself,Cletus, and Marius all decided we'd
>rather be Barons.
Well Gaius, I have to ask you this: how easy is it to even place 6th? I know the closest I have ever come is somewhere between 7th and 10th in my very first tourney, and I have been eliminated rather quickly in all those since. How many prizes have you won in Tourneys yourself?
I am not trying to belittle you, merely suggesting that perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to speak deprecatingly of the skill of others. I don't know our new Overlord, and I don't really have an opinion of him as yet. However, I am willing to hazard a guess that at least one or two of the five prize winners who took rings did so because they would rather have the sure prize than the problematic challenge.
I do have to say that I don't think Long is much of a presence in the Arena. Then again, however, neither am I lately. So I don't know that I should be the one to cast stones.
All that really needs to be said of his skill, however, is this: how easy has it been, in the past, for challengers to take a title away from Magnus in a challenge match?
I do have mixed feelings about quick challenges. Not so much a matter of respect for skill as common courtesy. A duel can be grueling. In my opinion, there is something to be said for waiting a few days, or even a week, before pressing challenge after a match is completed. Simply as a courtesy to the office of Overlord, if not the holder of the title.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
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From: xaviertn@aol.com (XavierTN)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 19:39:37 EDT
"The newest overlord had not stepped from the ring and already his fate looks grim. For what I ask? Because he isn't well known, because he doesn't have a few hundred victories sealed. Because he isn't perfect......... In all honesty *I cannot* say, however what I do know is the very same few I have seen criticizing a man for challenging a friend of theirs, or for challenging so swiftly after a
defense, would stoop to the lowest level of hypocrisy and fall into the shoes of those they speak are ruining the sport."
Dear patrons:
As I read through the responses that rest upon my original missive, I am left wondering upon my own words, as well as gathering several new perspectives upon what I wrote. I will respond to a few matters to start. First off, Jeffery, though I met you only once, on a late evening a short while back, (Banda having to kiss Jonalyn after a wager match) I have heard grand things of you. I take your words with open ears, scrutinizing each sentence so as
to be sure I don't miss any details. It seems you focused, as did most, upon the words I wrote concerning swiftly written challenges. Above I rewrote a statement from my original passage, highlighting a statement that may have not seemed clear. I meant my writing not to be a personal opinion, rather more focused upon a broad spectrum. I was, in a sense, attempting to enlighten to those who don't know, or rather who don't understand, that there will
never be an overlord that can please everyone, a perfect overlord. There will always be those that disagree with him/her, or simply don't like them. So in that perspective is it fair that an overlord, take Eros for example, is challenged four times in a period of under two months? Accompanied by a pre tourney grace period which nullifies that reign to near a month of time able to be challenged? That adds up to three challenges in under a month. (not
including tourney winner) Following Eros there averaged close to a new overlord every month, because somebody disliked, or had a companion removed from the thrown. Is this Just? Perhaps, perhaps not, I gathered this information more so than not off of recorded histories and aged post so I cannot fully interpret what transpired in these few months. However one point I was attempting to make clear, in the second portion of highlights is that
there are those out there whom quibble over the fact that the crown is being passed around so much as of late, then argue against the opinion of those who find swift challenges to be un honorable. Or even take it as far as to "correct" the problem by challenging swiftly themselves. Jeffery, on a side note I agree in full with your statement concerning Dalamar's reign. It is truly the grandest reign to be found in the
histories, as well as word of mouth. The challenges are what made it spectacular, however, do you truly believe that it would have lasted as long had he been averaging three, or even four challenges a month? No man could hold enough stamina, no man could hold the mental or physical strength, not even Dalamar. Though from what I read, though am not positively certain, he contemplated retiring with the amount of attention and the politics surrounding
him, which there was much of, without having the lightspeed marry-go-round of challenges set forth upon Eros. I use Eros as the main example as the latest overlords have not held the blade well in the midst of a challenge as of late aside from him.
As I have never held a title in my young age, nor do I know if I shall in the future, I may never hold the perspective upon the sport and titles as you do. Simply, I am bringing the average patron's perspective (not opinion) into light. I shall hold my own personal opinion until I participate more fully in these halls, should that day be on the near horizon I cannot say. For now I shall only speak and analyze what I see, not what I feel.
Now then, I would like to address Cas. I apologize for the lack of formality in your name, though it is all that was left upon your posting. As I read through the histories of the baronial rings, I find that long ago there was a large tournament, dictating the original nine barons. Then later another tournament held passing on another four. What is written of these original nine, and from the stories I have heard, make them out to be some of the
highest regarded duelist in the histories of the swords. Would you then state that the last place finisher, quote- "Were it not for the slew of vacant rings this particular time," is not worthy of his praise from people to this day? I am not attempting to insinuate anything of you, just a curious question.
Sincerely,
Xavier Ta'main
P.S.- I intend on getting in touch with a few who responded in personal letters as I would like to get more in depth with what they have to say, and do not wish to clutter this board with a two person conversation.
Date: 04 Oct 1999 19:39:37 EDT
"The newest overlord had not stepped from the ring and already his fate looks grim. For what I ask? Because he isn't well known, because he doesn't have a few hundred victories sealed. Because he isn't perfect......... In all honesty *I cannot* say, however what I do know is the very same few I have seen criticizing a man for challenging a friend of theirs, or for challenging so swiftly after a
defense, would stoop to the lowest level of hypocrisy and fall into the shoes of those they speak are ruining the sport."
Dear patrons:
As I read through the responses that rest upon my original missive, I am left wondering upon my own words, as well as gathering several new perspectives upon what I wrote. I will respond to a few matters to start. First off, Jeffery, though I met you only once, on a late evening a short while back, (Banda having to kiss Jonalyn after a wager match) I have heard grand things of you. I take your words with open ears, scrutinizing each sentence so as
to be sure I don't miss any details. It seems you focused, as did most, upon the words I wrote concerning swiftly written challenges. Above I rewrote a statement from my original passage, highlighting a statement that may have not seemed clear. I meant my writing not to be a personal opinion, rather more focused upon a broad spectrum. I was, in a sense, attempting to enlighten to those who don't know, or rather who don't understand, that there will
never be an overlord that can please everyone, a perfect overlord. There will always be those that disagree with him/her, or simply don't like them. So in that perspective is it fair that an overlord, take Eros for example, is challenged four times in a period of under two months? Accompanied by a pre tourney grace period which nullifies that reign to near a month of time able to be challenged? That adds up to three challenges in under a month. (not
including tourney winner) Following Eros there averaged close to a new overlord every month, because somebody disliked, or had a companion removed from the thrown. Is this Just? Perhaps, perhaps not, I gathered this information more so than not off of recorded histories and aged post so I cannot fully interpret what transpired in these few months. However one point I was attempting to make clear, in the second portion of highlights is that
there are those out there whom quibble over the fact that the crown is being passed around so much as of late, then argue against the opinion of those who find swift challenges to be un honorable. Or even take it as far as to "correct" the problem by challenging swiftly themselves. Jeffery, on a side note I agree in full with your statement concerning Dalamar's reign. It is truly the grandest reign to be found in the
histories, as well as word of mouth. The challenges are what made it spectacular, however, do you truly believe that it would have lasted as long had he been averaging three, or even four challenges a month? No man could hold enough stamina, no man could hold the mental or physical strength, not even Dalamar. Though from what I read, though am not positively certain, he contemplated retiring with the amount of attention and the politics surrounding
him, which there was much of, without having the lightspeed marry-go-round of challenges set forth upon Eros. I use Eros as the main example as the latest overlords have not held the blade well in the midst of a challenge as of late aside from him.
As I have never held a title in my young age, nor do I know if I shall in the future, I may never hold the perspective upon the sport and titles as you do. Simply, I am bringing the average patron's perspective (not opinion) into light. I shall hold my own personal opinion until I participate more fully in these halls, should that day be on the near horizon I cannot say. For now I shall only speak and analyze what I see, not what I feel.
Now then, I would like to address Cas. I apologize for the lack of formality in your name, though it is all that was left upon your posting. As I read through the histories of the baronial rings, I find that long ago there was a large tournament, dictating the original nine barons. Then later another tournament held passing on another four. What is written of these original nine, and from the stories I have heard, make them out to be some of the
highest regarded duelist in the histories of the swords. Would you then state that the last place finisher, quote- "Were it not for the slew of vacant rings this particular time," is not worthy of his praise from people to this day? I am not attempting to insinuate anything of you, just a curious question.
Sincerely,
Xavier Ta'main
P.S.- I intend on getting in touch with a few who responded in personal letters as I would like to get more in depth with what they have to say, and do not wish to clutter this board with a two person conversation.
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From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 19:51:48 EDT
Long's a good duelist, Percy. To get sixth place out of 32 is pretty good, and while I think myself to traditionally be one of Magnus's biggest detractors, I'll also be the first to admit
that in order to beat him, you have to know what you're doing with a blade. However, there are many people in the Community I would say are good duelists, but I wouldn't agree that they're of Overlord-level skill. Percival, maybe I'm of a dying breed, but the crown is very special in my eyes. I wouldn't call myself of Overlord-level skill yet. Percy, I'm the one who stopped Long's climb in the Tournament, with a 5-2 victory. Why do I think this
matters? Because Long is now supposed to be the Supreme Duelist. I am a Baron, he is Overlord. By my definition, he should be able to beat me decisively, or at least give me trouble.
Cas-Baron,Centurion,Loving husband
Date: 04 Oct 1999 19:51:48 EDT
Long's a good duelist, Percy. To get sixth place out of 32 is pretty good, and while I think myself to traditionally be one of Magnus's biggest detractors, I'll also be the first to admit
that in order to beat him, you have to know what you're doing with a blade. However, there are many people in the Community I would say are good duelists, but I wouldn't agree that they're of Overlord-level skill. Percival, maybe I'm of a dying breed, but the crown is very special in my eyes. I wouldn't call myself of Overlord-level skill yet. Percy, I'm the one who stopped Long's climb in the Tournament, with a 5-2 victory. Why do I think this
matters? Because Long is now supposed to be the Supreme Duelist. I am a Baron, he is Overlord. By my definition, he should be able to beat me decisively, or at least give me trouble.
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From: quickvarmg@aol.com (QuickVarMG)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 21:16:38 EDT
Regarding Long and his skill in question:
I personally find him to be a good dueler. He has done well in the tourney, and he fought a good match against Magnus.
With this, he has at least proven his skill with the blade. I'm sorry, Cas, but to say "If he bears the title of surpreme duelist, he should at least put up a good fight," I feel is wrong. Some duels someone wins, and some duels some people lose.
However, my question to Long is not his skill, but his leadership. He does not spend time in the arena, and I, personally, feel it is important to be involved with what you lead. It is with this lack of participation, and knowing Overlord Long, that I've declared myself renegade.
Am I saying I would be a better overlord? Not at all. My skill is far from being the "surpreme" dueler. I simply do not know Long, nor do I feel he would make a good overlord.
Sorry for going out on a limb, but that's just what's come to mind as I read these posts.
Var Medici-Giovanni
Date: 04 Oct 1999 21:16:38 EDT
Regarding Long and his skill in question:
I personally find him to be a good dueler. He has done well in the tourney, and he fought a good match against Magnus.
With this, he has at least proven his skill with the blade. I'm sorry, Cas, but to say "If he bears the title of surpreme duelist, he should at least put up a good fight," I feel is wrong. Some duels someone wins, and some duels some people lose.
However, my question to Long is not his skill, but his leadership. He does not spend time in the arena, and I, personally, feel it is important to be involved with what you lead. It is with this lack of participation, and knowing Overlord Long, that I've declared myself renegade.
Am I saying I would be a better overlord? Not at all. My skill is far from being the "surpreme" dueler. I simply do not know Long, nor do I feel he would make a good overlord.
Sorry for going out on a limb, but that's just what's come to mind as I read these posts.
Var Medici-Giovanni
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From: maxim128@aol.com (Maxim128)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 21:21:10 EDT
>Why do I think this
>matters? Because Long is now supposed to be the Supreme Duelist. I am a
>Baron, he is Overlord. By my definition, he should be able to beat me
>decisively, or at least give me trouble.
>
Cas,
Just because you beat him once doesn't mean much. When I was Overlord, and called the Supreme Dueler, I lost to a commoner. Does that necassarily mean the commoner is better than me? He could have been, but then again, he may not be. One duel doesn't mean much. However, I feel that in challenge matches, duelers bring out their full potential and that is why I don't mind the one shot challenges.
~Magnus~
Date: 04 Oct 1999 21:21:10 EDT
>Why do I think this
>matters? Because Long is now supposed to be the Supreme Duelist. I am a
>Baron, he is Overlord. By my definition, he should be able to beat me
>decisively, or at least give me trouble.
>
Cas,
Just because you beat him once doesn't mean much. When I was Overlord, and called the Supreme Dueler, I lost to a commoner. Does that necassarily mean the commoner is better than me? He could have been, but then again, he may not be. One duel doesn't mean much. However, I feel that in challenge matches, duelers bring out their full potential and that is why I don't mind the one shot challenges.
~Magnus~
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From: maxim128@aol.com (Maxim128)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 21:21:10 EDT
>Why do I think this
>matters? Because Long is now supposed to be the Supreme Duelist. I am a
>Baron, he is Overlord. By my definition, he should be able to beat me
>decisively, or at least give me trouble.
>
Cas,
Just because you beat him once doesn't mean much. When I was Overlord, and called the Supreme Dueler, I lost to a commoner. Does that necassarily mean the commoner is better than me? He could have been, but then again, he may not be. One duel doesn't mean much. However, I feel that in challenge matches, duelers bring out their full potential and that is why I don't mind the one shot challenges.
~Magnus~
Date: 04 Oct 1999 21:21:10 EDT
>Why do I think this
>matters? Because Long is now supposed to be the Supreme Duelist. I am a
>Baron, he is Overlord. By my definition, he should be able to beat me
>decisively, or at least give me trouble.
>
Cas,
Just because you beat him once doesn't mean much. When I was Overlord, and called the Supreme Dueler, I lost to a commoner. Does that necassarily mean the commoner is better than me? He could have been, but then again, he may not be. One duel doesn't mean much. However, I feel that in challenge matches, duelers bring out their full potential and that is why I don't mind the one shot challenges.
~Magnus~
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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 21:40:35 EDT
"Well Gaius, I have to ask you this: how easy is it to even place 6th?"
Can't be that bloody hard, Percy. After all, I've won prizes twice in four tournaments.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
Date: 04 Oct 1999 21:40:35 EDT
"Well Gaius, I have to ask you this: how easy is it to even place 6th?"
Can't be that bloody hard, Percy. After all, I've won prizes twice in four tournaments.
Regards,
Ian Rex.
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From: casmaxim@aol.com (Cas Maxim)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 21:59:38 EDT
Xavier, my name is Cassius Gaius Maximius. You can call me Cas, Cassius, Gaius, whatever you want. Your point with the Original Nine is a good one. However, my opinion remains as is. People, I am not saying Long is a bad duelist. I just don't think he has the skill level I would expect of an Overlord. This is not an insult to Long Wang Lo; there aren't many who would meet my standards as to what an Overlord should be. Maybe it's influenced by the
fact that I came to DoS and learned it's traditions and politics during the reign of what you said yourself seems to be the greatest Overlord reign of all, that of Dalamar Ar'Daumon.
Magnus, if you can find it, look for the missive where I challenged you for the 13th. Among the peer wins listed, you will find the name of Long Wang Lo.
Cas-Baron,Centurion,Loving husband
Date: 04 Oct 1999 21:59:38 EDT
Xavier, my name is Cassius Gaius Maximius. You can call me Cas, Cassius, Gaius, whatever you want. Your point with the Original Nine is a good one. However, my opinion remains as is. People, I am not saying Long is a bad duelist. I just don't think he has the skill level I would expect of an Overlord. This is not an insult to Long Wang Lo; there aren't many who would meet my standards as to what an Overlord should be. Maybe it's influenced by the
fact that I came to DoS and learned it's traditions and politics during the reign of what you said yourself seems to be the greatest Overlord reign of all, that of Dalamar Ar'Daumon.
Magnus, if you can find it, look for the missive where I challenged you for the 13th. Among the peer wins listed, you will find the name of Long Wang Lo.
Cas-Baron,Centurion,Loving husband
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From: mariusix@aol.com (Marius IX)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 22:12:47 EDT
Xavier,
On second thought, DONT call him Gaius. Too many of us and it would get confusing. The Roman Worth Comitee, made up of a Magnus Centurion, a Baron, a Roman Citizen, and the Inventor of FSH deemed me to be RhyDyn greatest Roman around. If anyone deserves to be THE Gaius around here it's me.
In any event, I am Marius. I look forward to meeting you, so I can share with you more of the Comitee's wisdom.
Gaius Marius Colestae'
Magnus Centurion of Imperial Rome.
Commander of Legions at Lugdunum, Carthago, Capua, & Ravenna.
Godfather of the FSH philosophy.
Sword Baron of the Second.
Civus Romanus.
Date: 04 Oct 1999 22:12:47 EDT
Xavier,
On second thought, DONT call him Gaius. Too many of us and it would get confusing. The Roman Worth Comitee, made up of a Magnus Centurion, a Baron, a Roman Citizen, and the Inventor of FSH deemed me to be RhyDyn greatest Roman around. If anyone deserves to be THE Gaius around here it's me.
In any event, I am Marius. I look forward to meeting you, so I can share with you more of the Comitee's wisdom.
Gaius Marius Colestae'
Magnus Centurion of Imperial Rome.
Commander of Legions at Lugdunum, Carthago, Capua, & Ravenna.
Godfather of the FSH philosophy.
Sword Baron of the Second.
Civus Romanus.
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From: elijaheagleecore@aol.com (ElijahEagleEcore)
Date: 04 Oct 1999 22:23:50 EDT
Cas,
I would hardly say the reign of Dalamar as Overlord was the greatest of all time. You just don't know any better because he is all you know and those who have come since him.
Date: 04 Oct 1999 22:23:50 EDT
Cas,
I would hardly say the reign of Dalamar as Overlord was the greatest of all time. You just don't know any better because he is all you know and those who have come since him.