From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 01 Jul 2001 21:20:06 EDT
I am, once again, requesting that Overlord Ganderfald state his own position on the matters involving whether or not Evan Rush Rynth still holds his ring and that ring's status to the Crown. I would very much like to know what Cletus thinks of this whole confused mess. Please enlighten us, Overlord.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
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From: cletusgandrfald@aol.com (Cletus Gandrfald)
Date: 02 Jul 2001 22:15:53 EDT
I'm confused as to why my opinion matters this much to you, Percival.
Evan's loyalty to me has never been in question. He has always been a close friend and ally, and one of the few people I can trust. We have fought side by side on numerous occasions, and I know that he would never hesitate to lay his life down for myself or my family. This situation has nothing to do with his loyalty towards me.
If you wish to know if Evan still holds his ring, I suggest you take the matter up with the 'commision', as they probably know more about this situation that I do. I have not spoken with Evan in quite a while.
Cletus Ganderfald
Date: 02 Jul 2001 22:15:53 EDT
I'm confused as to why my opinion matters this much to you, Percival.
Evan's loyalty to me has never been in question. He has always been a close friend and ally, and one of the few people I can trust. We have fought side by side on numerous occasions, and I know that he would never hesitate to lay his life down for myself or my family. This situation has nothing to do with his loyalty towards me.
If you wish to know if Evan still holds his ring, I suggest you take the matter up with the 'commision', as they probably know more about this situation that I do. I have not spoken with Evan in quite a while.
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From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 03 Jul 2001 12:55:49 EDT
>This situation has nothing to do with his loyalty towards me.
This answers my first question, and I am very disappointed to hear it. I would think that the conduct of your Loyal Barons would be a matter of paramount interest to you. If you feel this is not the case, than perhaps you have no business of taking the responsibility of accepting the loyalty of others. If you cannot lead, do not assume the position of a leader.
>If you wish to know if Evan still holds his ring, I suggest you take the
>matter up with the 'commision', as they probably know more about this
>situation that I do. I have not spoken with Evan in quite a while.
That answers the second part of my question rather eloquently, however I think you misunderstood. What do you think the status of a Baron who fails to follow through on a vow to relinquish his ring SHOULD be? I have an opinion in this matter, a very strong one. If someone asked me my opinion, I could state it very clearly. I am looking for a clear statement of your opinion to be made to the public.
As for why, it is simple enough. You are in a position of responsibility. Part of that responsibility is to openly make your position known so that those who would support you, or profess loyalty to you, have a chance to know where you stand before making their own statements. Allowing one's followers, subordinates, supporters, and allies to know where you stand is part of the responsibility of leadership.
You made a lot of grand statements while challenging and after becoming Overlord. Some of these statements had the ring of promises, and won you a certain amount of support here. While no one expects to see an Overlord single handedly change things, one does expect him to be vocal, visible, and strong. I have not seen or heard much of you, nor have I seen any strength. If you are truly a worthy Overlord, it is time for you to lead! The situation
with Evan is an excellent place to begin.
The question you must ask yourself is whether you feel that Evan's support is more important than his honour. If you feel his support is more important, you should vigorously state your support of his decision. If you feel his honour is more important, you should vocally oppose his continued holding of the ring.
Either way, you have a responsibility to act, Overlord.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
Date: 03 Jul 2001 12:55:49 EDT
>This situation has nothing to do with his loyalty towards me.
This answers my first question, and I am very disappointed to hear it. I would think that the conduct of your Loyal Barons would be a matter of paramount interest to you. If you feel this is not the case, than perhaps you have no business of taking the responsibility of accepting the loyalty of others. If you cannot lead, do not assume the position of a leader.
>If you wish to know if Evan still holds his ring, I suggest you take the
>matter up with the 'commision', as they probably know more about this
>situation that I do. I have not spoken with Evan in quite a while.
That answers the second part of my question rather eloquently, however I think you misunderstood. What do you think the status of a Baron who fails to follow through on a vow to relinquish his ring SHOULD be? I have an opinion in this matter, a very strong one. If someone asked me my opinion, I could state it very clearly. I am looking for a clear statement of your opinion to be made to the public.
As for why, it is simple enough. You are in a position of responsibility. Part of that responsibility is to openly make your position known so that those who would support you, or profess loyalty to you, have a chance to know where you stand before making their own statements. Allowing one's followers, subordinates, supporters, and allies to know where you stand is part of the responsibility of leadership.
You made a lot of grand statements while challenging and after becoming Overlord. Some of these statements had the ring of promises, and won you a certain amount of support here. While no one expects to see an Overlord single handedly change things, one does expect him to be vocal, visible, and strong. I have not seen or heard much of you, nor have I seen any strength. If you are truly a worthy Overlord, it is time for you to lead! The situation
with Evan is an excellent place to begin.
The question you must ask yourself is whether you feel that Evan's support is more important than his honour. If you feel his support is more important, you should vigorously state your support of his decision. If you feel his honour is more important, you should vocally oppose his continued holding of the ring.
Either way, you have a responsibility to act, Overlord.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
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From: adonaiuziel@aol.com (Adonai Uziel)
Date: 03 Jul 2001 14:01:22 EDT
::reads over the posted message and replies, shaking his head::
Oh good, a self righteous clot telling an incompetent clot how things are. I have such sudden hope.
::mutters, deciding not to leave even bother introducing himself into this argument::
Date: 03 Jul 2001 14:01:22 EDT
::reads over the posted message and replies, shaking his head::
Oh good, a self righteous clot telling an incompetent clot how things are. I have such sudden hope.
::mutters, deciding not to leave even bother introducing himself into this argument::
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From: maxim128@aol.com (Maxim128)
Date: 03 Jul 2001 19:12:58 EDT
Percy,
I've been busy lately and might have missed a few things, but can you clarify what "grand statements" Cletus made when he became Overlord?
~Magnus~
Date: 03 Jul 2001 19:12:58 EDT
Percy,
I've been busy lately and might have missed a few things, but can you clarify what "grand statements" Cletus made when he became Overlord?
~Magnus~
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From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 03 Jul 2001 19:30:57 EDT
> I've been busy lately and might have missed a few things, but can you
>clarify what "grand statements" Cletus made when he became Overlord?
>
Quite a bit of noise was made about how he would 'make things better' and 'improve the Arena'. However, as it stands now, there is no evidence even of leadership, let alone improvement. No one really expected any grand changes, I am sure. I would certainly argue that anyone who did believe tha change of Overlord would bring some grand change of any kind was naive in the extreme. However, there has been no real signs even of leadership. I would have
very much liked to be able to support your brother, as I consider both of you to be my friends. However, without any sign of leadership, authority, or even opinions, I must conclude that Cletus's major reason for becoming Overlord was a matter of the status of the office. I see very little difference between his reign and Jaycy's, despite his apparently strong disapproval of her own leadership.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
The White Duke
Date: 03 Jul 2001 19:30:57 EDT
> I've been busy lately and might have missed a few things, but can you
>clarify what "grand statements" Cletus made when he became Overlord?
>
Quite a bit of noise was made about how he would 'make things better' and 'improve the Arena'. However, as it stands now, there is no evidence even of leadership, let alone improvement. No one really expected any grand changes, I am sure. I would certainly argue that anyone who did believe tha change of Overlord would bring some grand change of any kind was naive in the extreme. However, there has been no real signs even of leadership. I would have
very much liked to be able to support your brother, as I consider both of you to be my friends. However, without any sign of leadership, authority, or even opinions, I must conclude that Cletus's major reason for becoming Overlord was a matter of the status of the office. I see very little difference between his reign and Jaycy's, despite his apparently strong disapproval of her own leadership.
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From: hostpcgkitsune@aol.com (HOST PCG Kitsune)
Date: 03 Jul 2001 23:45:16 EDT
I do see a difference, Percival...
Th' Gypsy at least tried tae do things. The Council just stymied her at every turn.
Lady Karen Wilder
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Date: 03 Jul 2001 23:45:16 EDT
I do see a difference, Percival...
Th' Gypsy at least tried tae do things. The Council just stymied her at every turn.
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From: gnrtdrgoon@aol.com (GnrtDrgoon)
Date: 04 Jul 2001 15:23:54 EDT
> Th' Gypsy at least tried tae do things. The Council just stymied her at
>every turn.
All do respect, the Gypsy tried to do things in the name of the council without first asking said council for permissions. To do something and say "The council is holding a.." without first asking if the members of the council would be able to, wanted to, or otherwise isn't a good thing to do.
At that time, she assumed too much. I would have been upset at her too. It's an abuse of power.
G
Date: 04 Jul 2001 15:23:54 EDT
> Th' Gypsy at least tried tae do things. The Council just stymied her at
>every turn.
All do respect, the Gypsy tried to do things in the name of the council without first asking said council for permissions. To do something and say "The council is holding a.." without first asking if the members of the council would be able to, wanted to, or otherwise isn't a good thing to do.
At that time, she assumed too much. I would have been upset at her too. It's an abuse of power.
G
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From: cletusgandrfald@aol.com (Cletus Gandrfald)
Date: 04 Jul 2001 19:24:18 EDT
Though I never made any sort of announcement or proclamation about changing this place, perhaps you should open your eyes Percival. I have put aside personal dislike to help Cassius sponsor his tag-team tournament, as I felt it was something that would help spur excitement within these halls. I was the first to question the second challenge from Strallen last
cycle and quite vocal in debating the first ruling by the 'commision'. I kept the community informed on the situation regarding the sixth ring, as soon as a vote had been reached by the council. Make no mistake, Percival. I am here, I am paying attention, and though I may not be the most vocal of people, I am not sitting idly by and watching things happen.
I opposed Jaycynda's leadership because she spoke on my behalf without any permission from myself, for the record.
As for the Thirteenth, I have no opinion in the matter as I have yet to speak with Evan regarding it. For all I know, he may have already returned the ring, and the 'commision' simply forgot about it or misplaced it. I'm not saying this happened, but until I hear from Evan, I will not speak about the matter other than to say I will support him, just as I support anyone to who I return a vow of loyalty to. I will wait until I hear from him,
rather than listen to the gossip that floats around.
I will repeat however, since yourself and Wilder don't seem to understand this, I made no statements regarding what I would do should I become Overlord. If I have, please show me, since my children make me forget other things quite easily these days.
Cletus Ganderfald
Date: 04 Jul 2001 19:24:18 EDT
Though I never made any sort of announcement or proclamation about changing this place, perhaps you should open your eyes Percival. I have put aside personal dislike to help Cassius sponsor his tag-team tournament, as I felt it was something that would help spur excitement within these halls. I was the first to question the second challenge from Strallen last
cycle and quite vocal in debating the first ruling by the 'commision'. I kept the community informed on the situation regarding the sixth ring, as soon as a vote had been reached by the council. Make no mistake, Percival. I am here, I am paying attention, and though I may not be the most vocal of people, I am not sitting idly by and watching things happen.
I opposed Jaycynda's leadership because she spoke on my behalf without any permission from myself, for the record.
As for the Thirteenth, I have no opinion in the matter as I have yet to speak with Evan regarding it. For all I know, he may have already returned the ring, and the 'commision' simply forgot about it or misplaced it. I'm not saying this happened, but until I hear from Evan, I will not speak about the matter other than to say I will support him, just as I support anyone to who I return a vow of loyalty to. I will wait until I hear from him,
rather than listen to the gossip that floats around.
I will repeat however, since yourself and Wilder don't seem to understand this, I made no statements regarding what I would do should I become Overlord. If I have, please show me, since my children make me forget other things quite easily these days.
Cletus Ganderfald
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 03:24:08 EDT
The Supreme Title of the Duel of Swords. A wonderful name, no? Such finesse, power, excellence that is involved in that single line, and yet, it doesn't seem to scream at me that the Overlord necessarily has to make some sort of miracle difference in the community. I personally don't care; the fact that he's trying happens to be good enough for me. To debate over the fact
of "Grand Differences" or badger him over a silly minor detail in his reign as Overlord seems a bit... Petty, and malicious, Percival?
If it bothers you so much, Percival, do challenge, then, hm? For then we can place you on the mantle and stone you for whatever deeds you do we slightly disapprove of. I find your arguments toward our Overlord tedious and pretty unimportant.
Do challenge so I may cast stones, hm?
- Starke
Date: 23 Jul 2001 03:24:08 EDT
The Supreme Title of the Duel of Swords. A wonderful name, no? Such finesse, power, excellence that is involved in that single line, and yet, it doesn't seem to scream at me that the Overlord necessarily has to make some sort of miracle difference in the community. I personally don't care; the fact that he's trying happens to be good enough for me. To debate over the fact
of "Grand Differences" or badger him over a silly minor detail in his reign as Overlord seems a bit... Petty, and malicious, Percival?
If it bothers you so much, Percival, do challenge, then, hm? For then we can place you on the mantle and stone you for whatever deeds you do we slightly disapprove of. I find your arguments toward our Overlord tedious and pretty unimportant.
Do challenge so I may cast stones, hm?
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From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 11:27:30 EDT
I don't see any reason to answer a post obviously written by an impostor. The real Drey is well known to be dead.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
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The White Duke
Date: 23 Jul 2001 11:27:30 EDT
I don't see any reason to answer a post obviously written by an impostor. The real Drey is well known to be dead.
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 15:10:46 EDT
The Infallible Percival... Don't mind the sarcasm, I just found the thought funny.
>I don't see any reason to answer a post obviously written by an impostor.
You don't see anything; for why must you see reason?
I'm no imposter -- I never died. As if the Duke of Stupidity has of yet learned the tricks and insides of the RhyDin Community? Forsooth, a fool, for whom can badger but can't be badgered; speak no more, else I keel over with laughter.
You amuse me to the fullest, Brainless Warlord.
- Starke
Date: 23 Jul 2001 15:10:46 EDT
The Infallible Percival... Don't mind the sarcasm, I just found the thought funny.
>I don't see any reason to answer a post obviously written by an impostor.
You don't see anything; for why must you see reason?
I'm no imposter -- I never died. As if the Duke of Stupidity has of yet learned the tricks and insides of the RhyDin Community? Forsooth, a fool, for whom can badger but can't be badgered; speak no more, else I keel over with laughter.
You amuse me to the fullest, Brainless Warlord.
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From: leducblanc@aol.com (LeDucBlanc)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 15:56:36 EDT
>I'm no imposter -- I never died. As if the Duke of Stupidity has of yet
>learned the tricks and insides of the RhyDin Community?
If you never died, then you owe both Daelin and myself quite a bit of money for defaulting on your contract with the Burning Blades by faking your death. I am sure that Dae will be in touch with you, and if he is not then our lawyers will.
Duc Percival Marchand de Clermont
Warlord of the Duel of Swords
Date: 23 Jul 2001 15:56:36 EDT
>I'm no imposter -- I never died. As if the Duke of Stupidity has of yet
>learned the tricks and insides of the RhyDin Community?
If you never died, then you owe both Daelin and myself quite a bit of money for defaulting on your contract with the Burning Blades by faking your death. I am sure that Dae will be in touch with you, and if he is not then our lawyers will.
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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 16:30:17 EDT
Is this all you must say? The petty, perhaps rich Duke of Merchand or whatever is trying to take money? Should I have expected more from you? And did you not quit the Burning Blades, hypocrite?
At least I decided to go inexistent and not bow out in the middle of a season. But no matter, this is irrelevant to anything...
Keep posting, for the comedy is far more the pleasure.
- Starke
Date: 23 Jul 2001 16:30:17 EDT
Is this all you must say? The petty, perhaps rich Duke of Merchand or whatever is trying to take money? Should I have expected more from you? And did you not quit the Burning Blades, hypocrite?
At least I decided to go inexistent and not bow out in the middle of a season. But no matter, this is irrelevant to anything...
Keep posting, for the comedy is far more the pleasure.
- Starke