Date: 12/23/1998 12:16 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Neutralius
::Wearing headphones and listening to his CD-player, he walks to the boards, and nonchalantly stabs a piece of paper to the spacious cork board:: For those of you who are concerned,I am new here to DoF, and I was wondering if anyone was willing to take me under their wing and help to understand the fighting styles here. Thanks.
Dallas John Van WinkleGlassCommonerApprentice
Needing Help Desperately
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Re: Needing Help Desperately
Date: 12/24/1998 11:36 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Neutralius
::Walks by the board, obviously not in a good mood at all:: ::Stabs a reply to his own post::Ok, am I correct in assuming that noone here helps anyone?
Dallas John Van WinkleGlassCommonerApprentice
From: Neutralius
::Walks by the board, obviously not in a good mood at all:: ::Stabs a reply to his own post::Ok, am I correct in assuming that noone here helps anyone?
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Subject: Re: Needing Help Desperately
Date: 12/27/1998 3:26 AM Central Daylight Time
From: LoneWolfBW
The well-dressed man had found little interest in the so-called 'competition' board in the recent years; the once-grand aura of honour, competition and glorious feuds long since replaced by idiotic prattle and the like. However, this gem was far, far too good to pass up.
With pen in hand, he studied the paper through his mirrored shades briefly, then composed a brief note to the irate gentleman known as "Dallas" by his note.
"My dear Dallas.
You are, in fact, quite correct that no one is truly interested in 'helping' in this little corner of the realm. However, your note and my reply shall undoubtedly shame at least a few of the locals into replying, if only to make them look somewhat less full of themselves. But I fear that if you're looking for anything less than gross self-aggrandizement or silliness, you've come to the wrong place in the realm.
Good fortune to you, regardless.
~Walker."
He nodded to himself, and with a flourish tacked the note up with one of those tacky colour push pins.
Moments later, the cool night air swirled through the place he'd been.
From: LoneWolfBW
The well-dressed man had found little interest in the so-called 'competition' board in the recent years; the once-grand aura of honour, competition and glorious feuds long since replaced by idiotic prattle and the like. However, this gem was far, far too good to pass up.
With pen in hand, he studied the paper through his mirrored shades briefly, then composed a brief note to the irate gentleman known as "Dallas" by his note.
"My dear Dallas.
You are, in fact, quite correct that no one is truly interested in 'helping' in this little corner of the realm. However, your note and my reply shall undoubtedly shame at least a few of the locals into replying, if only to make them look somewhat less full of themselves. But I fear that if you're looking for anything less than gross self-aggrandizement or silliness, you've come to the wrong place in the realm.
Good fortune to you, regardless.
~Walker."
He nodded to himself, and with a flourish tacked the note up with one of those tacky colour push pins.
Moments later, the cool night air swirled through the place he'd been.
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Re: Needing Help Desperately
Date: 12/29/1998 7:03 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Deuce Mack
The pitter-patter of not-so-little feet made their way downstairs, dragging Deuce along with them. Obliged to follow the little buggers over to the message board, he found something that wasn't there before! And another.. by the same person. A third... different writing... hmm, what's this say?
"What?!"
With that, the young man died. Or nearly so, as hard as his laughter was.
"Aight... yeah, I be shamed inta writin' dis.."
And thus, was the note posted.
Yo, Walker. This ain't the Arena.
Deuce
From: Deuce Mack
The pitter-patter of not-so-little feet made their way downstairs, dragging Deuce along with them. Obliged to follow the little buggers over to the message board, he found something that wasn't there before! And another.. by the same person. A third... different writing... hmm, what's this say?
"What?!"
With that, the young man died. Or nearly so, as hard as his laughter was.
"Aight... yeah, I be shamed inta writin' dis.."
And thus, was the note posted.
Yo, Walker. This ain't the Arena.
Deuce
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Subject: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 12/30/1998 10:36 PM Central Daylight Time
From: LoneWolfBW
The man chuckled appreciately. Very, very good, he thought, the reply couldn't have been better had it been scripted for him.
He waggled the silver-tipped pen, musing. Then with the same elegant flow script, he graced the board with yet another answer.
"Mr..Deuce, was it?
Congratulations..you proved my point almost better than I could have imagined! Though you did disappoint me slightly in that you didn't try to help the young lad, merely chose to attempt wit - but that only brings me to my next point.
"This ain't the Arena". Mmm...I would have to agree with you there. There aren't nearly as many of the population; though I must admit, you do seem to lose your regulars with the same alacrity that the Arena does!
But oddly enough, I do see parallels developing rather nicely. Witness the subject of our discussion here; note the absolute lack of assistance offered by your so-called regulars. Or, even, by your warm and friendly staff. This, truly, is a trait you're developing quite well from your elder brother sport.
Wasn't it not so long ago that the defining characteristic of this Outback was your friendliness to newcomers and your willingness to embrace them into the community? Was this not what truly made your statement of "This ain't the Arena" true? Note the key word there.
Was.
Keep up the good work and I'm sure that quite soon you'll be absolutely indistinguishable from the Arena, save for the lack of steel.
With the warmest regards,
~ Walker ~"
Perhaps the anticipation of the next witty reply would make staying in this area worthwhile, he mused. If not, at least the snows were coming.
From: LoneWolfBW
The man chuckled appreciately. Very, very good, he thought, the reply couldn't have been better had it been scripted for him.
He waggled the silver-tipped pen, musing. Then with the same elegant flow script, he graced the board with yet another answer.
"Mr..Deuce, was it?
Congratulations..you proved my point almost better than I could have imagined! Though you did disappoint me slightly in that you didn't try to help the young lad, merely chose to attempt wit - but that only brings me to my next point.
"This ain't the Arena". Mmm...I would have to agree with you there. There aren't nearly as many of the population; though I must admit, you do seem to lose your regulars with the same alacrity that the Arena does!
But oddly enough, I do see parallels developing rather nicely. Witness the subject of our discussion here; note the absolute lack of assistance offered by your so-called regulars. Or, even, by your warm and friendly staff. This, truly, is a trait you're developing quite well from your elder brother sport.
Wasn't it not so long ago that the defining characteristic of this Outback was your friendliness to newcomers and your willingness to embrace them into the community? Was this not what truly made your statement of "This ain't the Arena" true? Note the key word there.
Was.
Keep up the good work and I'm sure that quite soon you'll be absolutely indistinguishable from the Arena, save for the lack of steel.
With the warmest regards,
~ Walker ~"
Perhaps the anticipation of the next witty reply would make staying in this area worthwhile, he mused. If not, at least the snows were coming.
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 12/31/1998 8:10 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Harris4801
::Harris tromped on over to the boards like he always did. But one caught his eye immediately. He read it over and all the replies to it and chuckled. Grinning he snatched up the nearest pen and started to write::~WalkerYou're funny, ya know that? You waltz on over to the boards, read a post and start to criticize not just the patrons but the staff also. Deuce is Deuce. He has his own opinions. But have you once stepped into the Outback and brawled there? You'd then realize that it wasn't the arena as soon as you stepped foot inside. And, do you know any of the reasons for our lack of regulars? Hmm I didn't think so. So before you go and critizize the Outbackand its patrons at least come and see what it's like. Well, that's my two cents.[Harris D'Artainian][3rd Green Opal][House of Asgard]
From: Harris4801
::Harris tromped on over to the boards like he always did. But one caught his eye immediately. He read it over and all the replies to it and chuckled. Grinning he snatched up the nearest pen and started to write::~WalkerYou're funny, ya know that? You waltz on over to the boards, read a post and start to criticize not just the patrons but the staff also. Deuce is Deuce. He has his own opinions. But have you once stepped into the Outback and brawled there? You'd then realize that it wasn't the arena as soon as you stepped foot inside. And, do you know any of the reasons for our lack of regulars? Hmm I didn't think so. So before you go and critizize the Outbackand its patrons at least come and see what it's like. Well, that's my two cents.[Harris D'Artainian][3rd Green Opal][House of Asgard]
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/1/1999 1:20 AM Central Daylight Time
From: JammerZ33
::walking up to the worn bulletin board, headset in tow, Ryan glances at the set of posts on the board. With renewed ire, he produces a pen and paper from his jacket and begins writing furiously. Once the note is finished, he tacks it onto the board, next to the series of others.::
Harris:
Walker might not have dueled here before, but I have. And everything he has stated is absolute truth. This *wasn't* the Arena. The Outback *was* a friendly, easily-accessible place where a newcomer could get help from the patrons and staff almost instantly.
Sadly, that has changed. The Outback has become just like the aforementioned Arena, where people come only to further their rank, where personal obsessiveness outweighs the spirit of assistance and comradeship. I know this first-hand. I saw the Outback change from a place of friendly competition to a haven for mindless rank-seeking and one-upsmanship. There is a reason many of the old regulars have left. They don't want to see the place they
once cared about change and warp into the clone of the Arena that it has now virtually become. Any doubts about it? Not from me, seeing as how even in your last note, Harris, you didn't even think of giving the eager newcomer Dallas assistance. Your first thought was to defend your position, not to put differences aside so that another might benefit from the your knowledge (such that it is).
In my mind, the greatest proof of all that this sport has so changed for the worst is the disappearance of one of the people I admired most here: Shannon Colton. She was arguably the greatest dueler in this sport, and yet she always found time to help a newcomer, myself included. She took it onto herself to make sure that people new to this sport learned from her wisdom, and enjoyed themselves while doing it. Unfortunately, the rank-seekers had
their own Arena mentality, which bothered her immensely. She did her best to keep the air of helpfulness and good sportsmanship alive, but she was eventually drowned out. She left with a bad taste in her mouth, and I can't say that I blamed her.
And Harris, if you want to criticize people for their lack of experience, I'd like to see you try that with me. I was here when you were a newcomer, and I seem to remember you asking for help quite a bit back then. Are you too good to help, now that you're a (so-called) veteran? If you think so, then this place truly is doomed.
An Arena without steel.
Ryan Mercury
2nd Holder of Moonberyl
Student of the 1st Shadoweaver
From: JammerZ33
::walking up to the worn bulletin board, headset in tow, Ryan glances at the set of posts on the board. With renewed ire, he produces a pen and paper from his jacket and begins writing furiously. Once the note is finished, he tacks it onto the board, next to the series of others.::
Harris:
Walker might not have dueled here before, but I have. And everything he has stated is absolute truth. This *wasn't* the Arena. The Outback *was* a friendly, easily-accessible place where a newcomer could get help from the patrons and staff almost instantly.
Sadly, that has changed. The Outback has become just like the aforementioned Arena, where people come only to further their rank, where personal obsessiveness outweighs the spirit of assistance and comradeship. I know this first-hand. I saw the Outback change from a place of friendly competition to a haven for mindless rank-seeking and one-upsmanship. There is a reason many of the old regulars have left. They don't want to see the place they
once cared about change and warp into the clone of the Arena that it has now virtually become. Any doubts about it? Not from me, seeing as how even in your last note, Harris, you didn't even think of giving the eager newcomer Dallas assistance. Your first thought was to defend your position, not to put differences aside so that another might benefit from the your knowledge (such that it is).
In my mind, the greatest proof of all that this sport has so changed for the worst is the disappearance of one of the people I admired most here: Shannon Colton. She was arguably the greatest dueler in this sport, and yet she always found time to help a newcomer, myself included. She took it onto herself to make sure that people new to this sport learned from her wisdom, and enjoyed themselves while doing it. Unfortunately, the rank-seekers had
their own Arena mentality, which bothered her immensely. She did her best to keep the air of helpfulness and good sportsmanship alive, but she was eventually drowned out. She left with a bad taste in her mouth, and I can't say that I blamed her.
And Harris, if you want to criticize people for their lack of experience, I'd like to see you try that with me. I was here when you were a newcomer, and I seem to remember you asking for help quite a bit back then. Are you too good to help, now that you're a (so-called) veteran? If you think so, then this place truly is doomed.
An Arena without steel.
Ryan Mercury
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/1/1999 2:47 AM Central Daylight Time
From: TreeFellr
The logger couldn't help himself as he read the letters pinned to the boards. Usually, he didn't bother reading them because, well, they weren't worth his time. How did he know without reading them? Because the people living in this town wrote them, and that was reason enough. But boredom often causes people to do strange things and Layne Jenkins was no exception. So here he was, not only reading but actually
responding! He needed to come around here more, he mused. These people obviously needed a dose of intelligence. And he was just the man to provide it.
There seems to be a problem. Let's see if I can't solve it. "Dallas" wants help. Wants to learn how to fight. Well, there's a real easy answer. Get in a ring with a real simple philosophy: Defend thyself. You'd be surprised how fast you learn to fight back when people are beating on you time and time again. Or better yet, let me take him out into the street. Ten minutes, if he's halfway intelligent, he'll know how to defend himself. If
not, he'll be maimed and rightfully so. I don't care either way. Natural selection's a wonderful thing.
This Walker fellow, and this Ryan (I bet you're the same one who was spouting off his mouth a while back…the moaning and fussing sounds familiar); you both amuse me. Let's see if I can't wade my way through the tears your whining is causing me to shed. Walker especially complains that nobody's stepped up to help this poor guy who doesn't know how to throw a punch. Here's an idea: Maybe people have better things to do with their time. I don't
see you, either of you, jumping up and down to help the guy either. Now if Dallas can't fight, maybe you don't want to waste (spend) your time teaching him. So if you don't, why the hell should anyone else, including the "warm and friendly staff?"
I've been in the Arena before. The people there are just as deluded as the ones that frequent this place. Princess this and Lord that. Gimmie a break. But if I was you two I'd be watching my back; the people there, deluded or not, might not take too kindly to the free flowing insults you're sending their way. The two places aren't quite the same. For example, one has a bar and the other doesn't. One allows weapons, the other doesn't
(Walker even figured that out). One revolves around politics and grandiose titles, the other doesn't. My my, the differences pile up. You want warm and friendly? My fist is warm and real friendly; I think it'd get along real well with your jaw. That's to the both of you. I am a personable fellow after all; there's always room for one more pal in my life. But since I ain't seen either of you around lately (and Walker, if we've met, the
wonderful imprint you must have made on my memory has faded away) I guess my fists will have to live with the friends they've got. But please, if our paths ever do cross, I'm sure we can get to be best buddies.
And Ryan, I'll tell you; after I read that captivating testimony about your "Shannon Colton" I nearly wet myself with dramatic inspiration. Apparently the teaching she apparently so dearly loved wasn't worth it for her to stick around. According to your recap of the situation, she couldn't deal with the odds against her. Heard that same story a thousand times about a thousand people. Quitters never win, or so they say. At least one thing you
said was right, "An arena without steel." I give your powers of perception credit there; this place is made of wood after all.
So until I hear of the both of you spending all your time coaching and teaching poor Dallas what his fists are for (because obviously, that's what a true fighter would do, and what you both seem to believe everyone else should be doing), you'll have to excuse me while I wonder why you both ain't practicing what you're preaching.
Do Have a Lovely and Productive Day,
Layne
From: TreeFellr
The logger couldn't help himself as he read the letters pinned to the boards. Usually, he didn't bother reading them because, well, they weren't worth his time. How did he know without reading them? Because the people living in this town wrote them, and that was reason enough. But boredom often causes people to do strange things and Layne Jenkins was no exception. So here he was, not only reading but actually
responding! He needed to come around here more, he mused. These people obviously needed a dose of intelligence. And he was just the man to provide it.
There seems to be a problem. Let's see if I can't solve it. "Dallas" wants help. Wants to learn how to fight. Well, there's a real easy answer. Get in a ring with a real simple philosophy: Defend thyself. You'd be surprised how fast you learn to fight back when people are beating on you time and time again. Or better yet, let me take him out into the street. Ten minutes, if he's halfway intelligent, he'll know how to defend himself. If
not, he'll be maimed and rightfully so. I don't care either way. Natural selection's a wonderful thing.
This Walker fellow, and this Ryan (I bet you're the same one who was spouting off his mouth a while back…the moaning and fussing sounds familiar); you both amuse me. Let's see if I can't wade my way through the tears your whining is causing me to shed. Walker especially complains that nobody's stepped up to help this poor guy who doesn't know how to throw a punch. Here's an idea: Maybe people have better things to do with their time. I don't
see you, either of you, jumping up and down to help the guy either. Now if Dallas can't fight, maybe you don't want to waste (spend) your time teaching him. So if you don't, why the hell should anyone else, including the "warm and friendly staff?"
I've been in the Arena before. The people there are just as deluded as the ones that frequent this place. Princess this and Lord that. Gimmie a break. But if I was you two I'd be watching my back; the people there, deluded or not, might not take too kindly to the free flowing insults you're sending their way. The two places aren't quite the same. For example, one has a bar and the other doesn't. One allows weapons, the other doesn't
(Walker even figured that out). One revolves around politics and grandiose titles, the other doesn't. My my, the differences pile up. You want warm and friendly? My fist is warm and real friendly; I think it'd get along real well with your jaw. That's to the both of you. I am a personable fellow after all; there's always room for one more pal in my life. But since I ain't seen either of you around lately (and Walker, if we've met, the
wonderful imprint you must have made on my memory has faded away) I guess my fists will have to live with the friends they've got. But please, if our paths ever do cross, I'm sure we can get to be best buddies.
And Ryan, I'll tell you; after I read that captivating testimony about your "Shannon Colton" I nearly wet myself with dramatic inspiration. Apparently the teaching she apparently so dearly loved wasn't worth it for her to stick around. According to your recap of the situation, she couldn't deal with the odds against her. Heard that same story a thousand times about a thousand people. Quitters never win, or so they say. At least one thing you
said was right, "An arena without steel." I give your powers of perception credit there; this place is made of wood after all.
So until I hear of the both of you spending all your time coaching and teaching poor Dallas what his fists are for (because obviously, that's what a true fighter would do, and what you both seem to believe everyone else should be doing), you'll have to excuse me while I wonder why you both ain't practicing what you're preaching.
Do Have a Lovely and Productive Day,
Layne
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Subject: Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/2/1999 3:16 AM Central Daylight Time
From: LoneWolfBW
The silver-tipped pen is produced again, as he writes with the smile.
"Layne..
As with Mr. Harris, I'll entertain each of your, ah, points in turn. I realize that your intellect is more attuned to the finer points of cutting down trees, but I'll do my best to write clearly for you.
>>There seems to be a problem. Let's see if I can't solve it. "Dallas" wants help. Wants to learn how to fight. Well, there's a real easy answer. Get in a ring with a real simple philosophy: Defend thyself. You'd be surprised how fast you learn to fight back when people are beating on you time and time again. Or better yet, let me take him out into the street. Ten minutes, if he's halfway intelligent, he'll know how to defend himself. If
not, he'll be maimed and rightfully so. I don't care either way.
Are you sure you're not from the Arena? You fit their mindset perfectly. Perhaps you need to clear your ears out; so I shall repeat:
A bragging point about this Outback for many years has been their willingness to help newcomers. Something which has lacked of late, as I see it. Obviously you are not too concerned with that, so your presence in this argument is pointless, except to hear the sound of your own voice. If it entertains you, so be it.
>>Natural selection's a wonderful thing.
Yes, and that's why, sadly, you'll be extinct in short order. But Darwin was never sympathetic.
>>This Walker fellow, and this Ryan (I bet you're the same one who was spouting off his mouth a while back…the moaning and fussing sounds familiar); you both amuse me. Let's see if I can't wade my way through the tears your whining is causing me to shed.
I'm edified that I could amuse you. Though that doesn't seem to be too difficult.
>>Walker especially complains
My, you aren't too sharp, are you? Complaining would be the case were I personally involved in this Outback. My posts are an objective commentary on the situation. Do try to remember that, please.
>>that nobody's stepped up to help this poor guy who doesn't know how to throw a punch.
Cannot throw a punch? What is it they say about 'assuming', Layne? You're proving that point nicely. Let's recap: I am pointing out that a bragging point about this Outback for many years has been their willingness to help newcomers. If that's no longer true, then so be it. But again, since you are hardly demonstrative of that spirit, I'm not concerned with you.
>>Here's an idea: Maybe people have better things to do with their time. I don't see you, either of you, jumping up and down to help the guy either. Now if Dallas can't fight, maybe you don't want to waste (spend) your time teaching him.
Let's think about that. (Or in your case, try.) I am not a competitor in Duel of Fists, nor do I work for them. I am pointing out that those who ARE and DO, have utterly ignored this man. And I don't recall him ever saying he cannot fight, merely that he was seeking guidance.
>>So if you don't, why the hell should anyone else, including the "warm and friendly staff?"
Oh, I don't know..maybe because it's their job to assist the patrons of the Outback? Or are they just here to look good and earn money from the overlords of the Inn? Though, if that's the case, they simply MUST hire you.
>> I've been in the Arena before. The people there are just as deluded as the ones that frequent this place.
He makes a valid point. I think my heart may stop.
>>But if I was you two I'd be watching my back; the people there, deluded or not, might not take too kindly to the free flowing insults you're sending their way.
Your concern for my safety heartens me. Worry about your own first, loggerhead.
>>The two places aren't quite the same. For example, one has a bar and the other doesn't. One allows weapons, the other doesn't (Walker even figured that out). One revolves around politics and grandiose titles, the other doesn't. My my, the differences pile up.
Now you're simply being facetious. And doing a rather bad job of it.
>>You want warm and friendly? My fist is warm and real friendly; I think it'd get along real well with your jaw. That's to the both of you.
You assume again. You do that well, I will give you that. If you feel you can, dear lad, come give it a try. But I think you'll find that outside the confines of the duelling ring, you wouldn't last very long if you accost me. So let's not go there.
>>I am a personable fellow after all; there's always room for one more pal in my life.
But the question must be asked. Does anyone really care about that? Does that have any bearing on this discussion whatsoever? The answer is no. Next!
>>But since I ain't seen either of you around lately (and Walker, if we've met, the wonderful imprint you must have made on my memory has faded away)
With your mind, I don't find that hard to believe. But no, I never had the dubious pleasure of meeting you. At least not that you're aware of.
>>So until I hear of the both of you spending all your time coaching and teaching poor Dallas what his fists are for (because obviously, that's what a true fighter would do, and what you both seem to believe everyone else should be doing), you'll have to excuse me while I wonder why you both ain't practicing what you're preaching.
Doesn't that then make you a hypocrite? Hmm.
Well, let's recap here.
Obviously Mr. Layne has excessive difficulty understanding the mechanics of my argument. But since he's made it clear that he does not support the notion of the Outback being friendler to the newcomer than the Arena, it's clear that he is not a part of the discussion to begin with. So, Mr. Layne, as the Bard would put it - you are full of sound and fury, but you signify nothing.
I must say, this is amusing. By those arguments, shall it then be my responsibilty to assist the lad where DoF's own employees and their vaunted 'regulars' can't be bothered? That is a sad thing indeed.
I await the next set of blustering with baited breath.
Cordially,
Walker
From: LoneWolfBW
The silver-tipped pen is produced again, as he writes with the smile.
"Layne..
As with Mr. Harris, I'll entertain each of your, ah, points in turn. I realize that your intellect is more attuned to the finer points of cutting down trees, but I'll do my best to write clearly for you.
>>There seems to be a problem. Let's see if I can't solve it. "Dallas" wants help. Wants to learn how to fight. Well, there's a real easy answer. Get in a ring with a real simple philosophy: Defend thyself. You'd be surprised how fast you learn to fight back when people are beating on you time and time again. Or better yet, let me take him out into the street. Ten minutes, if he's halfway intelligent, he'll know how to defend himself. If
not, he'll be maimed and rightfully so. I don't care either way.
Are you sure you're not from the Arena? You fit their mindset perfectly. Perhaps you need to clear your ears out; so I shall repeat:
A bragging point about this Outback for many years has been their willingness to help newcomers. Something which has lacked of late, as I see it. Obviously you are not too concerned with that, so your presence in this argument is pointless, except to hear the sound of your own voice. If it entertains you, so be it.
>>Natural selection's a wonderful thing.
Yes, and that's why, sadly, you'll be extinct in short order. But Darwin was never sympathetic.
>>This Walker fellow, and this Ryan (I bet you're the same one who was spouting off his mouth a while back…the moaning and fussing sounds familiar); you both amuse me. Let's see if I can't wade my way through the tears your whining is causing me to shed.
I'm edified that I could amuse you. Though that doesn't seem to be too difficult.
>>Walker especially complains
My, you aren't too sharp, are you? Complaining would be the case were I personally involved in this Outback. My posts are an objective commentary on the situation. Do try to remember that, please.
>>that nobody's stepped up to help this poor guy who doesn't know how to throw a punch.
Cannot throw a punch? What is it they say about 'assuming', Layne? You're proving that point nicely. Let's recap: I am pointing out that a bragging point about this Outback for many years has been their willingness to help newcomers. If that's no longer true, then so be it. But again, since you are hardly demonstrative of that spirit, I'm not concerned with you.
>>Here's an idea: Maybe people have better things to do with their time. I don't see you, either of you, jumping up and down to help the guy either. Now if Dallas can't fight, maybe you don't want to waste (spend) your time teaching him.
Let's think about that. (Or in your case, try.) I am not a competitor in Duel of Fists, nor do I work for them. I am pointing out that those who ARE and DO, have utterly ignored this man. And I don't recall him ever saying he cannot fight, merely that he was seeking guidance.
>>So if you don't, why the hell should anyone else, including the "warm and friendly staff?"
Oh, I don't know..maybe because it's their job to assist the patrons of the Outback? Or are they just here to look good and earn money from the overlords of the Inn? Though, if that's the case, they simply MUST hire you.
>> I've been in the Arena before. The people there are just as deluded as the ones that frequent this place.
He makes a valid point. I think my heart may stop.
>>But if I was you two I'd be watching my back; the people there, deluded or not, might not take too kindly to the free flowing insults you're sending their way.
Your concern for my safety heartens me. Worry about your own first, loggerhead.
>>The two places aren't quite the same. For example, one has a bar and the other doesn't. One allows weapons, the other doesn't (Walker even figured that out). One revolves around politics and grandiose titles, the other doesn't. My my, the differences pile up.
Now you're simply being facetious. And doing a rather bad job of it.
>>You want warm and friendly? My fist is warm and real friendly; I think it'd get along real well with your jaw. That's to the both of you.
You assume again. You do that well, I will give you that. If you feel you can, dear lad, come give it a try. But I think you'll find that outside the confines of the duelling ring, you wouldn't last very long if you accost me. So let's not go there.
>>I am a personable fellow after all; there's always room for one more pal in my life.
But the question must be asked. Does anyone really care about that? Does that have any bearing on this discussion whatsoever? The answer is no. Next!
>>But since I ain't seen either of you around lately (and Walker, if we've met, the wonderful imprint you must have made on my memory has faded away)
With your mind, I don't find that hard to believe. But no, I never had the dubious pleasure of meeting you. At least not that you're aware of.
>>So until I hear of the both of you spending all your time coaching and teaching poor Dallas what his fists are for (because obviously, that's what a true fighter would do, and what you both seem to believe everyone else should be doing), you'll have to excuse me while I wonder why you both ain't practicing what you're preaching.
Doesn't that then make you a hypocrite? Hmm.
Well, let's recap here.
Obviously Mr. Layne has excessive difficulty understanding the mechanics of my argument. But since he's made it clear that he does not support the notion of the Outback being friendler to the newcomer than the Arena, it's clear that he is not a part of the discussion to begin with. So, Mr. Layne, as the Bard would put it - you are full of sound and fury, but you signify nothing.
I must say, this is amusing. By those arguments, shall it then be my responsibilty to assist the lad where DoF's own employees and their vaunted 'regulars' can't be bothered? That is a sad thing indeed.
I await the next set of blustering with baited breath.
Cordially,
Walker
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/3/1999 2:59 AM Central Daylight Time
From: JammerZ33
::Ryan walks in, glances at the fresh outpouring of letters on the board, and tacks up a response to an old acquaintance's note::
Layne,
Funny that you should mention my lack of practicing what I preach. You see, I've just returned to the duels, and haven't seen any requests for help until Dallas'. Unfortunately, I don't have much time to fight or teach, so I'm not going to say I can when I don't know if I'll have the time. When someone used to ask, I would help if I could. I don't criticize someone or something if I'm guilty of the same accusation....at least I don't anymore.
For those of you who remember my infamous past, I was quite a pain to quite a few people for a time. I'd like to think that I've changed.
I didn't write my first remarks to instigate a flood of criticism, I did it because I genuinely want to make this a better place, and as corny as that sounds, it's true. I haven't had a chance to read all of the responses, but I think I get the general idea of what both sides are saying. So I'll leave it well enough alone...everyone will doubtless settle things their own ways.
And about that crack on my mentioning of Ms. Colton....I only write what I think, I don't do it out of a sense of drama. I don't write to impress, I do it to get my point across. And yes, it does seem that she couldn't handle it anymore, but the "quitters never win" comment doesn't always apply, as we all know. Sometimes it's just not worth it to fight a losing battle.
I'm always willing to knock loose a tooth or two, so if I see you around the rings, I'll be sure to get that match with you. And yes, I know that the Outback's made of wood...lord knows I've seen enough walls splintered in my time.
Ryan
From: JammerZ33
::Ryan walks in, glances at the fresh outpouring of letters on the board, and tacks up a response to an old acquaintance's note::
Layne,
Funny that you should mention my lack of practicing what I preach. You see, I've just returned to the duels, and haven't seen any requests for help until Dallas'. Unfortunately, I don't have much time to fight or teach, so I'm not going to say I can when I don't know if I'll have the time. When someone used to ask, I would help if I could. I don't criticize someone or something if I'm guilty of the same accusation....at least I don't anymore.
For those of you who remember my infamous past, I was quite a pain to quite a few people for a time. I'd like to think that I've changed.
I didn't write my first remarks to instigate a flood of criticism, I did it because I genuinely want to make this a better place, and as corny as that sounds, it's true. I haven't had a chance to read all of the responses, but I think I get the general idea of what both sides are saying. So I'll leave it well enough alone...everyone will doubtless settle things their own ways.
And about that crack on my mentioning of Ms. Colton....I only write what I think, I don't do it out of a sense of drama. I don't write to impress, I do it to get my point across. And yes, it does seem that she couldn't handle it anymore, but the "quitters never win" comment doesn't always apply, as we all know. Sometimes it's just not worth it to fight a losing battle.
I'm always willing to knock loose a tooth or two, so if I see you around the rings, I'll be sure to get that match with you. And yes, I know that the Outback's made of wood...lord knows I've seen enough walls splintered in my time.
Ryan
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/5/1999 4:25 PM Central Daylight Time
From: JesseTroyn
<<And yes, it does seem that she couldn't handle it anymore, but the "quitters never win" comment doesn't always apply, as we all know. Sometimes it's just not worth it to fight a losing battle.>>
I don't know who you are, pal, but atleast now I know you're an ignorant fool. The only people who believes " 'quitters never win'doesn't always apply" and believes "sometimes it's just not worth it to fight a losing battle" is a *loser*. Winners fight *winning* battles. Cowards, punks, and sore losers quit and run away from things they don't like. Since you clearly don't understand this, you're obviously one of those people. My advice is to throw
yourself off a bridge, because you're just wasting oxygen that worthwhile human beings need to breath. Have a nice day, chump.
-JT
From: JesseTroyn
<<And yes, it does seem that she couldn't handle it anymore, but the "quitters never win" comment doesn't always apply, as we all know. Sometimes it's just not worth it to fight a losing battle.>>
I don't know who you are, pal, but atleast now I know you're an ignorant fool. The only people who believes " 'quitters never win'doesn't always apply" and believes "sometimes it's just not worth it to fight a losing battle" is a *loser*. Winners fight *winning* battles. Cowards, punks, and sore losers quit and run away from things they don't like. Since you clearly don't understand this, you're obviously one of those people. My advice is to throw
yourself off a bridge, because you're just wasting oxygen that worthwhile human beings need to breath. Have a nice day, chump.
-JT
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/6/1999 10:13 PM Central Daylight Time
From: TismanBRos
::mutters softly to himself, really having wanted to stay out of the line of thought, but scrawls a small note::
"Mudslinging... this is what the boards have come to? People lobbing insults at each other without knowing who or what they're talking about? Perhaps instead of throwing dirt in the eyes of others, it would be more constructive to find a solution to the question, or to remain silent.
This old board was never meant to hold personal insults, but to communicate ideas. If you can't communicate an idea with some degree of intellect or an inkling of a point in the future, perhaps things would be kept to missives sent between two parties.
Oh and yes. As from personal experience, winners are sometimes caught in losing battles. Losers sometimes win fights. And it is far wiser to pull a strategic retreat when outnumbered severely than to be swamped, especially when you now that in the next day's dawn you can rise and take out your enemies as they sleep. Story of some of our lives.
Aye,
Ian"
::Tacks the message to the board with utter disgust in having written it in the first place, but has grown quite weary of the situation that has been arising.::
((Authors note: Unless I be mistaken, slamming an individual is like a no no, regardless of what their opinions may be. Correct me if I'm wrong in this. Argue the point people, don't go around waving your Johnsons in the breeze. There's enough of that going on in Iraq.))
From: TismanBRos
::mutters softly to himself, really having wanted to stay out of the line of thought, but scrawls a small note::
"Mudslinging... this is what the boards have come to? People lobbing insults at each other without knowing who or what they're talking about? Perhaps instead of throwing dirt in the eyes of others, it would be more constructive to find a solution to the question, or to remain silent.
This old board was never meant to hold personal insults, but to communicate ideas. If you can't communicate an idea with some degree of intellect or an inkling of a point in the future, perhaps things would be kept to missives sent between two parties.
Oh and yes. As from personal experience, winners are sometimes caught in losing battles. Losers sometimes win fights. And it is far wiser to pull a strategic retreat when outnumbered severely than to be swamped, especially when you now that in the next day's dawn you can rise and take out your enemies as they sleep. Story of some of our lives.
Aye,
Ian"
::Tacks the message to the board with utter disgust in having written it in the first place, but has grown quite weary of the situation that has been arising.::
((Authors note: Unless I be mistaken, slamming an individual is like a no no, regardless of what their opinions may be. Correct me if I'm wrong in this. Argue the point people, don't go around waving your Johnsons in the breeze. There's enough of that going on in Iraq.))
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/1/1999 5:50 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Falablah
This is all we need is for this board to be a blah blah blah fest.
Jammer,
Welcome back, hope to see ya round the rings again.
Walker,
This board is for the duel of fists.....meaning if your going to run your mouth here...duel already.
Dallas John Van Winkle,
If you haven't found anyone yet drop a missive in my mailbox in the Outback. I'd be happy to take ya under my wing.
~Falablah Dalegate~
~Opal, Mage,Warlord~
~Current Holder of Pathfinder~
~Resident of the Outback~
~La de de da da....whowa whowa~
From: Falablah
This is all we need is for this board to be a blah blah blah fest.
Jammer,
Welcome back, hope to see ya round the rings again.
Walker,
This board is for the duel of fists.....meaning if your going to run your mouth here...duel already.
Dallas John Van Winkle,
If you haven't found anyone yet drop a missive in my mailbox in the Outback. I'd be happy to take ya under my wing.
~Falablah Dalegate~
~Opal, Mage,Warlord~
~Current Holder of Pathfinder~
~Resident of the Outback~
~La de de da da....whowa whowa~
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/1/1999 9:14 PM Central Daylight Time
From: JakeMHeart
2 cents, Harris? Whew. I gotta start using that one. Heh. - Wow, Harris got the mouth for DoF. That's the way ta go my man.
-------)> Jake Heart
From: JakeMHeart
2 cents, Harris? Whew. I gotta start using that one. Heh. - Wow, Harris got the mouth for DoF. That's the way ta go my man.
-------)> Jake Heart
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Re: Needing Mentors Desperately?
Date: 1/2/1999 3:18 AM Central Daylight Time
From: LoneWolfBW
Ah, the last. This one was brief, and hardly worth it..but why not?
"Falablah, as you stated..
>>This board is for the duel of fists.....meaning if your going to run your mouth here...duel already.
Do you hear that, Fala? That's the sound of applause..Bravo! This IS for the Duel of Fists! And my posts are ABOUT the Duel of Fists!
Truly, your intellect is dizzying. Thank you SO much for point that out to me!
I have duelled here, as I've stated before. So...what was your point again?
Oh yes..there wasn't one. Sorry about that.
Cordially,
Walker.
From: LoneWolfBW
Ah, the last. This one was brief, and hardly worth it..but why not?
"Falablah, as you stated..
>>This board is for the duel of fists.....meaning if your going to run your mouth here...duel already.
Do you hear that, Fala? That's the sound of applause..Bravo! This IS for the Duel of Fists! And my posts are ABOUT the Duel of Fists!
Truly, your intellect is dizzying. Thank you SO much for point that out to me!
I have duelled here, as I've stated before. So...what was your point again?
Oh yes..there wasn't one. Sorry about that.
Cordially,
Walker.