From: lyonxx@aol.com (Lyon xx)
Date: 30 Dec 1998 19:09:33 EST
::walks away from the board with a smile having known that his counsel to Daegarth to refuse Dal's choice of caller would cause this down the road. It was indeed past time to return to some of the old traditions.::
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From: dyingheart@aol.com (DyingHeart)
Date: 31 Dec 1998 14:56:16 EST
::thumbs through the thick array of messages, and decides to write up a quick post::
Though I'm pretty new here, I have yet to see how a match between two duelists can be affected by individual callers. I personally enjoy the witty callers that even make losing fun.
Deluthan Heart,
Man of Mundane
Date: 31 Dec 1998 14:56:16 EST
::thumbs through the thick array of messages, and decides to write up a quick post::
Though I'm pretty new here, I have yet to see how a match between two duelists can be affected by individual callers. I personally enjoy the witty callers that even make losing fun.
Deluthan Heart,
Man of Mundane
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From: dexm@aol.com (Dex M)
Date: 01 Jan 1999 13:26:42 EST
::strides to the board::
I dont put much on the boards these days and when I do it is because I hope to speak of something of value. Many are correct are saying that often the tradition was to have the challenger choose the caller. Let me direct you to a challenge almost two years ago. Namely my first challenge.
A member of House L-L, and one of the duelers I respected the most, Ford Prefect, was the Baron I challenged. He in his challenge response, with dignity and honor broke tradition.
He asked only that his long time friend Myrddin (RDI Ranger) be allowed to call and allowed me, as the CHALLENGER, choose the date and time and place. He offerred it, I accepted. Tradition serves as guidelines to past honors and ways. I always respected Ford. In that light please dont use tradition as a weapon and act in a way similar to that honorable man.
If I might ramble on in my past memories for but a moment. There is another tradition that has seemed to gone to the wind. Namely that of when striving for the top WoL rank. When I became a warlord it was the tradition for some to make your 15th WoL against another warlord.
As some constantly bemoan many of the past traditions have been changed. This is the fact of life. Things rarely stay static but some change quickly and some change slowly. I have changed since I first arrived. I hope only that I have changed for the better.
Sincerly
Condextint Montoya
former Baron, Mage Emeriti, and current Diamond
Date: 01 Jan 1999 13:26:42 EST
::strides to the board::
I dont put much on the boards these days and when I do it is because I hope to speak of something of value. Many are correct are saying that often the tradition was to have the challenger choose the caller. Let me direct you to a challenge almost two years ago. Namely my first challenge.
A member of House L-L, and one of the duelers I respected the most, Ford Prefect, was the Baron I challenged. He in his challenge response, with dignity and honor broke tradition.
He asked only that his long time friend Myrddin (RDI Ranger) be allowed to call and allowed me, as the CHALLENGER, choose the date and time and place. He offerred it, I accepted. Tradition serves as guidelines to past honors and ways. I always respected Ford. In that light please dont use tradition as a weapon and act in a way similar to that honorable man.
If I might ramble on in my past memories for but a moment. There is another tradition that has seemed to gone to the wind. Namely that of when striving for the top WoL rank. When I became a warlord it was the tradition for some to make your 15th WoL against another warlord.
As some constantly bemoan many of the past traditions have been changed. This is the fact of life. Things rarely stay static but some change quickly and some change slowly. I have changed since I first arrived. I hope only that I have changed for the better.
Sincerly
Condextint Montoya
former Baron, Mage Emeriti, and current Diamond
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From: jakvaltrds@aol.com (Jakvaltrds)
Date: 01 Jan 1999 14:16:15 EST
Laird Montoya,
I could not agree more with the continuance of tradition.
In two years of dueling I have seen but two occasions where the challenged gave ground on this issue, three now with Var.
When challenged,I myself choose time and place with a bit of compromise by both Daelin Dragonblade and myself. I then asked him to find an official he felt comfortable with.
Daegarth's demand was the the only other time I have seen anything close to compromise in the challengers rights, be them written, or mere tradition.
I have, however, seen many warlords and Barons alike, lose their opportunity to challenge, based on technicalities which would have been avoided, had there been some instruction in the tradition
My simple point is this, to have a meaningful tradition passed on, one must teach it. The same should be considered in the area of honorable and proper challenges.
Sincerely
Seamus MacDonnaugh
Baron of the First
PS: there may have been 4 now that I think about the Lupton v.Topaz duel
Date: 01 Jan 1999 14:16:15 EST
Laird Montoya,
I could not agree more with the continuance of tradition.
In two years of dueling I have seen but two occasions where the challenged gave ground on this issue, three now with Var.
When challenged,I myself choose time and place with a bit of compromise by both Daelin Dragonblade and myself. I then asked him to find an official he felt comfortable with.
Daegarth's demand was the the only other time I have seen anything close to compromise in the challengers rights, be them written, or mere tradition.
I have, however, seen many warlords and Barons alike, lose their opportunity to challenge, based on technicalities which would have been avoided, had there been some instruction in the tradition
My simple point is this, to have a meaningful tradition passed on, one must teach it. The same should be considered in the area of honorable and proper challenges.
Sincerely
Seamus MacDonnaugh
Baron of the First
PS: there may have been 4 now that I think about the Lupton v.Topaz duel
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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 01 Jan 1999 16:06:26 EST
Laird MacDonnaugh,
In thine comment, to whit: "I have, however, seen many warlords and Barons alike, lose their opportunity to challenge, based on technicalities which would have been avoided, had there been some instruction in the tradition"
I must say I am at a loss that thou wouldst seem to consider it merely a "technicality" to hae a challenger present a proper challenge. Perhaps I misunderstand thine meaning. Aire the rules of engagement nae quite clear in that matter? Further, I dinna hold that those who hae gained the wherewithall with which to issue challenge for title and do so improperly should be permitted to escape the consequences of their haste. To me mind, it shows an
utter lack of even the barest modicum of respect for the title, the ring, the challenged and the community ast a whole.
To address thine comment, to whit; "My simple point is this, to have a meaningful tradition passed on, one must teach it. The same should be considered in the area of honorable and proper challenges."
If I may, Laird MacDonnaugh, there aire manna "traditions" which hae bloomed and faded o'ertime. The placing of ones colors and escutcheons upon the banner wall wast traditional. The naming of a Baron's Seat upon the council be one that seems to hae died aborning. Perhaps thou mayest recall the Misbegotten Seat, that of the Seventh Ring, held by the cleric, the then Baron Athlstan? The presentation of ones bona fides and reasons, or lack there of,
unto the public wast traditional. The announcement unto the public that said challenge wast indeed proper and valid wast traditionally made by the Keeper of the Standings.
Ast the former Baron, Coindextint Montoya hast commented, t'was a time when t'was indeed traditional to seek to that last step in ones rise to the rank of warlord against another warlord, oft against the warlord who wast considered the most formidable bladesman at the time. T'was a time the community traditionally eschewed dueling amongst themselves and would attend a challenge match, pushing and crowding ast manna ast could manage to squeeze
through the entrances, to witness, cheer and shout for their favorites.
T'was, if memory serves me, Billy Ray Karnafexx didst begin the tradition of warlords declaring loyalty unto the Overlord, when he didst bend knee and bow unto the grand Siera of Redwin, though tis certes nae required by the rules of engagement that they do so; a tradition that hast seemed to hae now seemed to hae fallen by the wayside.
Tis one might ponder which be tradition, which be precedent, which be courtesy, and which be set ast the rules of engagement, for they aire nae the same thing, though they do weave and intertwine ast the threads of a many colored tapestry, neh?
Jonalyn Nenshen Starfare
Date: 01 Jan 1999 16:06:26 EST
Laird MacDonnaugh,
In thine comment, to whit: "I have, however, seen many warlords and Barons alike, lose their opportunity to challenge, based on technicalities which would have been avoided, had there been some instruction in the tradition"
I must say I am at a loss that thou wouldst seem to consider it merely a "technicality" to hae a challenger present a proper challenge. Perhaps I misunderstand thine meaning. Aire the rules of engagement nae quite clear in that matter? Further, I dinna hold that those who hae gained the wherewithall with which to issue challenge for title and do so improperly should be permitted to escape the consequences of their haste. To me mind, it shows an
utter lack of even the barest modicum of respect for the title, the ring, the challenged and the community ast a whole.
To address thine comment, to whit; "My simple point is this, to have a meaningful tradition passed on, one must teach it. The same should be considered in the area of honorable and proper challenges."
If I may, Laird MacDonnaugh, there aire manna "traditions" which hae bloomed and faded o'ertime. The placing of ones colors and escutcheons upon the banner wall wast traditional. The naming of a Baron's Seat upon the council be one that seems to hae died aborning. Perhaps thou mayest recall the Misbegotten Seat, that of the Seventh Ring, held by the cleric, the then Baron Athlstan? The presentation of ones bona fides and reasons, or lack there of,
unto the public wast traditional. The announcement unto the public that said challenge wast indeed proper and valid wast traditionally made by the Keeper of the Standings.
Ast the former Baron, Coindextint Montoya hast commented, t'was a time when t'was indeed traditional to seek to that last step in ones rise to the rank of warlord against another warlord, oft against the warlord who wast considered the most formidable bladesman at the time. T'was a time the community traditionally eschewed dueling amongst themselves and would attend a challenge match, pushing and crowding ast manna ast could manage to squeeze
through the entrances, to witness, cheer and shout for their favorites.
T'was, if memory serves me, Billy Ray Karnafexx didst begin the tradition of warlords declaring loyalty unto the Overlord, when he didst bend knee and bow unto the grand Siera of Redwin, though tis certes nae required by the rules of engagement that they do so; a tradition that hast seemed to hae now seemed to hae fallen by the wayside.
Tis one might ponder which be tradition, which be precedent, which be courtesy, and which be set ast the rules of engagement, for they aire nae the same thing, though they do weave and intertwine ast the threads of a many colored tapestry, neh?
Jonalyn Nenshen Starfare