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From: jeffoakenshield@aol.com (Jeff Oakenshield)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 03:02:31 EDT

Umm, Sid in all of yer rantin' ya still never once answered me. Seems I was right in yer ability ta sidestep da issue at hand.

I'll ask again. Why are ya givin' Magnus crap when ya have never bothered ta get on da case of da many other title holders who have acted in da exact same way (myself included).

Ian, I resorted ta da tired "If you haven't tried it you don't know" argument because in my opinion Sidartha clearly doesn't have a grasp on what is going on. She might very well understand da situation but in so far as what she's said up until now it doesn't seem so.

Curiously enough Ian, she has no problem when da same argument is used against Jonalyn, only when its used against herself. Since Sid refuses ta answer any of my queries, and you know her so well Ian, perhaps you will indulge my curiousities as ta her behavior.

~J

PS: Sid I have changed, I used ta never post in da hopes of being popular with everyone, now I just care ta be popular with my friends.

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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 11:26:10 EDT

Jeffrey~

I didn't sidestep the question. You used Elijah as an example and I addressed that example.

As to the question, "Why are ya givin' Magnus crap when ya have never bothered ta get on da case of da many other title holders who have acted in da exact same way (myself included)," I'll say this. I have been lax in the past. I haven't paid enough attention in the past and now I believe I should because if I am not a part of the solution, I am cerrtainly part of the problem. It is not a matter of hypocrisy, because I have never thought that
not even bothering to acknowledge the very presence of your opponant is a good thing.

"Curiously enough Ian, she has no problem when da same argument is used against Jonalyn, only when its used against herself."

Oh really, Jeffrey? I'd be jumping for joy if you could concoct a missive from me to her telling her she doesn't have the right to an opinion because she's never been a titleholder.

"Sid I have changed, I used ta never post in da hopes of being popular with everyone, now I just care ta be popular with my friends."

It is sad to know that someone as respected by the community as you *ever* put up a front of friendship to be popular with everyone. And now, we see your true colors as self-righteous and self-important. And sadly, I fell into your lies and your popularity game by not seeing through that facade of "friendship" you had towards me to see your true deceitful face. At least I know I won't fall into *that* trap again with you.

~Sidartha Elgarette

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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 15:47:58 EDT

And just because I am the title holder means that I must bow


You're entirely missing the point. Let's repeat this ... Slowly.

Role-Model. You're certianly one for the lower ranks to look up too.

Pshhh.

It shouldn't matter he was stubborn, for the match was resolved. A simple congratulation should be blurted, instead of ignoring each others appearance in the surroundings. No longer acknowledgable, but gone from sight or praise.

Boo hoo, he was stubborn. Boo hoo, my name wasn't said right.

He barery says anything right at a'rr.
- Good naturedly, Long. ;)




- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke

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From: jeffoakenshield@aol.com (Jeff Oakenshield)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 16:27:55 EDT

Whoa, Sid, puttin' words in my mouth ta make me look worst? Yeesh can't ya even read?

Where in my post script did it say I put up a facade of friendship ta gain popularity? All I said was I refrained from commentary on controversial issues, because involving oneself in such issues makes you more likely ta acquire political enemies. A silent dueler is a safer dueler. However, I would much rather make my opinions known since I no longer care how many enemies I make. My true friends will always be by my side and such a gift makes me
more powerful dan any political standing I could ever hope ta achieve.

Finally, I never lied about you being a friend. My friendship with you ceased when I found out you willingly would promote a crusade which would greatly risk da lives of people I care about. While risk is sometimes necessary, in yer given situation of saving Elijah's soul, it was not. Yer promotion of da quest ta travel ta hell along with others I call friend on what is most definitely a suicide mission angers me greatly. What's worst, when
exposed ta da logical side of yer emotional decision ta charge off ta hell, you could not be won over.

Aside from your callin' a few TDL duels fer me, I don't recall you ever acting like my friend, anyhow.

~J

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From: maxim128@aol.com (Maxim128)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 16:47:29 EDT

>Boo hoo, my name wasn't said right.

I could've sworn I wrote in my last post that I didn't think that a big deal.

~Magnus~

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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 16:54:12 EDT

Thesbe:

Speaking of offense, the term "Sir" is used to address a knight. While I do not tend to lean on formalities, if you insist on using formal address, then I would expect use of the proper term, which as you may have gathered from my signature, is "Your Majesty."

Otherwise, "Ian" will do quite nicely; in any event, however, "Sir Ian" is grossly improper.

Jeffrey:

Insofar as Sidartha and Jonalyn have a long history of bitter dislike and disdain for one another, I refuse to indulge your curiosity. I have learned to leave their dealings with one another TO one another, and I'm not about to assist a third party in doing otherwise. To be truthful, I find their dealings with one another to be irrational and childish, on both parts, but friendship with one and a relationship with the other serve no purpose as far
as getting them to act like adults. Personally, I'd as soon not see you pouring fuel on their fire.

Magnus:

Again... not one person has said a word about you not -bowing- to the Overlord. Perhaps if you paused a moment to reflect on the charge against you, you might address it, rather than defend yourself against something you haven't been pilloried for.

Jonalyn:

I will thank you not to address me for the sole purpose of furthering your quarrel with Sidartha. I have warned you once about placing me in the middle of such things; do not make a third warning necessary.

Jeffrey's comment -was- irrelevant; it was a weak argument attempting to publicly propose that since Sidartha has never been in that position, her feelings on the matter are wrong. I would note, Jonalyn, that YOU have never been in the position, either, yet you SHARE those feelings regarding the actions of the Overlord and former Overlord; by defending Jeffrey, you are implicitly stating that you have no business discussing the matter, either... and
Jeffrey, by failing to connect the two dots, is as much a hypocrite as he accuses Sidartha of being, by not telling you that your opinion is worthless as well.

Whoops. Excoriated by your own logics. Damnable shame, that.

Regards,
Ian Rex.

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From: maxim128@aol.com (Maxim128)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 17:16:55 EDT

>Magnus:
>
>Again... not one person has said a word about you not -bowing- to the
>Overlord.

Actually Ian,

I do believe Drey said I should have bowed, as I was the title holder.

>Perhaps if you paused a moment to reflect on the charge against you

Charge against me? I hadn't realized I was on trial here.

~Magnus~




~Magnus~

Mere Warlord

Guardian of Polaris

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 17:40:49 EDT

Madame Elgarette,

Rest assured, Madame, thee shall ne'er be part 'o th' solution fore in thee hae nae ta wit ta e'en know wh' ta problem be. Tis mos' assuredly thee hae nae paid anna 'eed ta' manna thin's. Thee hae blithely supported deceit, perfidy an' all manner 'o dishonor whilst declaimin' agin those wh' bring such matters afore ta community.

Kindly dinna claim thee hae ne'er stated thine wish fer me ta be hushed, Madame. Kindly dinna claim thee hae nae penned th' if'n Ah hae a difficulty wi' someone Ah shouldst present challenge, for thee hae. Tis nae need ta concoct annathin', Madame, tis one needs bu' peruse ta cork fer yuir jottin's. Thine implied threat ta hae Ian 'hurt' me agin were Ah ta nae cease ta state mine opinion yet be extant 'pon th' cork.

Thee hae sidestep every question put ta thee, Madame. Tis right interestin' that ye do admit ta nae thinkin', Madame, for tis th' be somethin' Ah hae long noticed in thee. Ta imply th' ye were lied ta by Jeffrey be ast usual another 'o yuir wild ravin's, Madame. Ast usual, Madame, thee be attemptin' yuir usual 'pity poor me', martyr act. Tis yuir true colors be peepin' through, Madame. Thine penchant fer aidin' an' abettin' those wh' be bent on
destruction wi' nae a care fer those wh' might be injured be somethin' th' thee hae a long istory 'o doin', Madame. Thee hae ne'er considered e'er th' consequences 'o either yuir words or deeds, Madame.

Bluntly,
Jonalyn Starfare

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From: dreystarke@aol.com (DreyStarke)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 17:54:15 EDT

Bowing was an example, really. I also said salute and I also mentioned a little congratulations.

I guess bowing is just out of this world...



- Drey D'erest Sanchez Starke

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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 18:51:26 EDT

"Whoa, Sid, puttin' words in my mouth ta make me look worst? Yeesh can't ya even read?

Where in my post script did it say I put up a facade of friendship ta gain popularity?"

I didn't get that opinion from your post. I get it from your own actions.

"Finally, I never lied about you being a friend. My friendship with you ceased when I found out you willingly would promote a crusade which would greatly risk da lives of people I care about."

And so, Drakewyn, Gnort and all the others who promoted the "crusade" as well are also no longer your friends, or are you guilty of such hypocrisy that you blamed me for?

"Aside from your callin' a few TDL duels fer me, I don't recall you ever acting like my friend, anyhow."

If this is so, you are a blind fool.

~Sidartha

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From: sidarthax@aol.com (Sidartha x)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 19:02:58 EDT

Since the discussion, directed towards me at least, has pitifully gone past the intended subject, I will no longer cater to the whims of those who wish to turn the discussion to personal matters.

Unless the post is about the Overlord Challenge and the actions (or lack thereof) of the former and current Overlords, I will *not* address it.

~Sidartha Elgarette

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 20:04:24 EDT

Ian,

I will thank thee nae ta address me for the sole purpose of wishing to defend the lunacy perpetuated by Madame Elgarette. If'n thee nae wish ta be placed in the middle of matters, ast thee seem ta feel thee be, thou might also consider the same warning unto Madame Elgarette. Ian, from thee I shall an hae tolerated much for in that I hae long held thee ast a friend. However, Ian, warning or nae, I shall nae by silence condone Madame Elgarette's
continuing foolishness nor shall I condone her assault upon Jeffrey, one who ast well I do hold ast friend. Thee may consider mine enmity toward Madame Elgarette irrational and childish, however, Ian, considering all that Madame Elgarette hae attempted agin me an' mine, the mere fact that I hae nae sought ta gut her like a fish shouldst tell thee that I hae nae acted in an irrational nor childish manner. Frankly, Ian, th' same canna be said 'o
Madame Elgarette.

If'n thee wish to defend yuir own stance in th' matter, tis certes nae need ta do so ta me. Well thee know, or shouldst know that thee and I more oft than nae do see eye to eye with respect to the dismal depths that e'en the simplest of courtesies seem ta hae fallen.

T'was nae a weak argument, Ian, in that Jeffrey dinna propose that since Madame Elgarette hae nae been in that position her feelings on the matter be wrong. Tis he hae, howe'er, most' bluntly stated his opinion that though she be demandin' answers she deftly avoids givin' anna, but resorted instead ta an attempt ta belittle Jeffrey with the seemin' sole purpose 'o puttin' herself ta the fore ast the poor, misunderstood, deceived an' martyred female.
Tis nae th' first, nor likely ta last time she shall do precisely that.

Thee may wish certes ta ignore Madame's strident an' illogical rantings, tis certes thine right, an' indeed, considering yuir relationship, more than proper. However, fer thee ta castigate Jeffrey fer pointing out Madame Elgarette's hypocrisy ist indeed uncalled fer. Neither Jeffrey nor meself hae e'en remotely suggested that Madame Elgarette ist nae entitled ta 'er opinion.

Ast ta mine concerns with the deeds of both the former Overlord and the new Overlord, ast thee well know, or should know, tis nae I be new come to those concerns, much ast thou are nae new come to them nor am I in the least reticent about stating mine concerns.

With respect, old friend, thine logic in this matter seems ta fail thee. Tis Jeffrey merely pointed out and quite adroitly that Madame Elgarette hae yet ta offer anna reasoned comment an hae resorted ta 'er usual diatribes agin those wh' wouldst ask her ta elucidate. Further she ast made attempt ta twist Jeffrey's comments ta 'er likin', much ast she hae long attempted ta twist mine own. The number 'o times Madame Elgarette hae managed a complete
about face wouldst, were she ta be standing 'pon loose sands, likely screw her inta 'em up ta 'er neck.

I shall note to thee old friend, that were thee ta chose ta return unta the dance, by the logic displayed in Madame Elgarette's comments thee thineself wouldst castigated much ast Madame Elgaratte hae chosen ta castigate the new Overlord for what she perceives ast his infrequent presence in ta rings. Tis certes only th' future may prove out th' hypothesis, neh?
Perhaps, tis thee what fail to connect the dots, Ian. Excoriated by yuir own logic, mayhap, Ian? Damnable shame that indeed.

Jona

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From: jonalyn@aol.com (Jonalyn)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 20:48:04 EDT

Madame Elgarette,

So verra like thee, Madame, ta make attempt ta insinuate that Jeffrey wouldst nay 'old ast friend those wh' thee do name. Perchance thee wouldst hold that those who dinna support thine folly an thine attempt ta launch a crusade wouldst find that thee wouldst then castigate them ast being uncaring?

One canst certes excuse Madame Drakewyn fer bein' ast much a fool ast thee aire in considerin' a crusade t' free th' soul 'o Elijah. Considering th' number 'o times th' Elijah hae died an' returned an' died an' returned an' died an' returned, an yuir own penchant fer survivin' 'death', perhaps thee shouldst seek out those other 'dead' an' returned ta join thee in thine quest. Thee, Madame, ast hae been proven time an' agin gi' little 'er no thought
ta th' consequences 'o yuir actions, much ast Madame Drakewyn hae. Tis ast fer Gnort, tis one can bu' 'ope 'e shall display 'is usual intelligence an' decline ta assist in th' crusade.

How utterly expected 'o thee Madame, that thee what felt t' need ta offer insult ta Jeffrey an' nae ta answer 'is questions wi' regard ta th' matter 'o t' challenge do hae th' amusin' termerity ta state thee shall only address th' topic, yet thee fail ta do so...agin.

Madame, the only blind fool be thee.

Jonalyn Starfare

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From: drakewyni@aol.com (Drakewyn I)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 21:33:33 EDT

Well now.

I've held off commenting again here for awhile, in hopes that we might see some true and honest opinions given forth.
And, in fact, there have been some.

Ever since the day I began a serious effort to rise in rank, I have never fought a duel where I did not acknowledge my opponent with bow, curtsy or salute before beginning the combat. I honestly cannot say that I have never ended a duel without a bow, curtsy or salute to my opponent, for there have been times where my opponent has left scant moments after the last blow was struck.
I do not expect others to act as I do. I am too well aquainted with the nature of people to expect everyone to at least act in an honorable fashion.

Much has been said about how those of the titled ranks, and those of great fame and renown should act as proper role models.
Myself, I shall walk my own path as always.
Learn from the actions of others, but follow your heart.


Lady Drake, aka the Gryphon.

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From: ianmackenzie@aol.com (Ian MacKenzie)
Date: 08 Oct 1999 22:35:53 EDT

Jonalyn:

"...considering all that Madame Elgarette hae attempted agin me an' mine, the mere fact that I hae nae sought ta gut her like a fish shouldst tell thee that I hae nae acted in an irrational nor childish manner."

The same could be said regarding Jeffrey, by me; after all, he all but attempted to behead me in the ring once. However, in time, though we do have differences, I have come to recognize him as a friend. I understand that you do not have it in you to forgive any slight, much less a major one; that attitude I do find infantile.

"With respect, old friend, thine logic in this matter seems ta fail thee. Tis Jeffrey merely pointed out and quite adroitly that Madame Elgarette hae yet ta offer anna reasoned comment an hae resorted ta 'er usual diatribes agin those wh' wouldst ask her ta elucidate."

That is not how this discussion began, Jonalyn, and you either know it full well, or are failing to remember properly. Jeffrey's comments on this matter - the comments I addressed - referred to Sidartha having "no knowledge" of how someone feels when losing a challenge to one they do not care for, and that as a result, her opinion on the matter had no merit.

I say again - the same applies to you. Well you know that I do -not- agree that not holding title is no rationale for not being able to have an opinion... but if Jeffrey chooses to castigate Sidartha for expressing one, yet fails to treat you in the same manner, he is absolutely as guilty of what he accuses Sidartha of... namely, picking and choosing one's targets. No, Jonalyn... my logic has no flaw here. Perhaps if you stuck to the argument I
originally presented, rather than trying to draw me into discussion on matters I did not and do not choose to, you'd understand that.

As to your closing comment... insofar as I have not been wholly absent from this place while riding my spider in the desert, your analogy is brutally flawed. I can accept absence from the -rings- without any qualms. Absence from the -community- on the other hand, is a completely separate issue.

Regards,
Ian Rex.